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Post by hc17 on Mar 29, 2022 17:10:48 GMT -5
Bryant heading to the America East for hoops, why not offer them a spot in PL Football?
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Post by hc17 on Mar 29, 2022 17:14:38 GMT -5
And just like that ....
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Post by hchoops on Mar 29, 2022 17:18:01 GMT -5
Bryant heading to the America East for hoops, why not offer them a spot in PL Football? Is the America East a significant upgrade from the NEC ? Other than Vermont at the top
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Post by gerry on Mar 29, 2022 18:34:17 GMT -5
Sounds like the NEC will be backfilling from the D2 ranks, likely Stonehill and U of New Haven. Quinnipiac may be be heading to America East as well. With the PL only having seven members, I'm surprised an associate membership wasn't offered to Bryant. Balances out the league, and obviously fits geographically.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 29, 2022 18:41:31 GMT -5
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Even if it was offered, did you check with Bryant to see if they had any interest in joining the pL?
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Post by mm67 on Mar 29, 2022 18:57:54 GMT -5
More to the point, the PL did not offer membership to Bryant. Case closed.
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Post by gks on Mar 29, 2022 19:49:05 GMT -5
If I were the PL I'd invite Bryant in a second for all sports. They'd struggle in Varsity Chemistry but sports-wise they'd be a great match.
Side note: Was at a Stonehill accepted students day recently and the President mentioned the school is studying a move to D1.
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Post by gerry on Mar 29, 2022 20:41:59 GMT -5
^ Even if it was offered, did you check with Bryant to see if they had any interest in joining the pL? You really think Bryant would rather play Campbell, Gardner-Webb, and Charleston Southern than Holy Cross, Fordham, or Colgate?
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Post by princetoncrusader on Mar 29, 2022 20:52:23 GMT -5
So Bryant will now have to upgrade to 63 scholarships?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 29, 2022 20:59:35 GMT -5
Sounds like the NEC will be backfilling from the D2 ranks, likely Stonehill and U of New Haven. Quinnipiac may be be heading to America East as well. With the PL only having seven members, I'm surprised an associate membership wasn't offered to Bryant. Balances out the league, and obviously fits geographically. Pros of Bryant in the PL: Easy commute for all our teams. Makes weekday games a breeze. Cons: It would remove one OOC game from HC's football schedule just as the program is ready to spread it's wings and challenge the best FCS teams in the country. We already have the opportunity to play Bryant in every sport we mutually sponsor and I am sure try to as often as possible.
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Post by gerry on Mar 29, 2022 22:07:16 GMT -5
Just to clarify....I was only in the camp of adding Bryant for football only
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 29, 2022 22:25:41 GMT -5
So Bryant will now have to upgrade to 63 scholarships? And you think that is a problem there? They act like they have an unlimited athletics budget
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Post by bison137 on Mar 29, 2022 22:45:46 GMT -5
Back when Bryant first went D1, around 2009, they talked to the patriot league about joining. However the academic index was an insurmountable problem. With the AI where it was, Bryant literally would have been unable to field a team. The PL would’ve had to massively reduce the AI floor to make it possible to bring in Bryant, and they did not want to do that.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 30, 2022 4:04:25 GMT -5
Bryant may very well be hoping to take the Big South - to - CAA football route we saw Monmouth (and Stony Brook University) take. A stop in the PL wouldn’t help in that endeavor.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 30, 2022 5:45:32 GMT -5
Apparently, the AI helps the PL maintain its special niche as a true academics first conference. Athletics are kept in proper perspective. In the early '50's HC announced along with the Ivies that its sports teams are academically representative of the student body. The AI is a tool to help maintain this level of academic integrity on a league-wide basis. Hopefully, HC will raise its AI even higher to match or exceed the level of Colgate.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 30, 2022 6:14:54 GMT -5
This is old news.
PL brass have zero interest in Bryant. Bryant likely has nil interest in subjecting their football program to the unnecessary handcuffs that the PL would force them to put on.
A lot of moving parts down South in FCS world. Big South football just announced an AQ merger with the OVC, which starts I think 2023. Both have been hemorrhaging members.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 30, 2022 6:16:51 GMT -5
Bryant may very well be hoping to take the Big South - to - CAA football route we saw Monmouth (and Stony Brook University) take. A stop in the PL wouldn’t help in that endeavor. CAA won't be admitting any new football affiliates in the near future. They're at 13 football members for 2023 with NCA&T joinibg. Either 12 or 13 all-sports members now too with the recent additions, I can't keep track.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 30, 2022 6:33:10 GMT -5
Bryant may very well be hoping to take the Big South - to - CAA football route we saw Monmouth (and Stony Brook University) take. A stop in the PL wouldn’t help in that endeavor. CAA won't be admitting any new football affiliates in the near future. They're at 13 football members for 2023 with NCA&T joinibg. Either 12 or 13 all-sports members now too with the recent additions, I can't keep track. No suggestion it’ll be overnight (it took Stony Brook five or six years to go from Big South to CAA). Beyond that, it is understood future CAA football additions and subtractions are essentially unforeseeable. Kudos to Bryant on the football move.
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Post by gks on Mar 30, 2022 7:02:59 GMT -5
Apparently, the AI helps the PL maintain its special niche as a true academics first conference. Athletics are kept in proper perspective. In the early '50's HC announced along with the Ivies that its sports teams are academically representative of the student body. The AI is a tool to help maintain this level of academic integrity on a league-wide basis. Hopefully, HC will raise its AI even higher to match or exceed the level of Colgate. You can't complain about the state of HC athletics (sans football for the moment) then laud the PL and it's dimwitted restrictions. Change is good. The PL needs change badly.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 30, 2022 7:55:40 GMT -5
Apparently, the AI helps the PL maintain its special niche as a true academics first conference. Athletics are kept in proper perspective. In the early '50's HC announced along with the Ivies that its sports teams are academically representative of the student body. The AI is a tool to help maintain this level of academic integrity on a league-wide basis. Hopefully, HC will raise its AI even higher to match or exceed the level of Colgate. You can't complain about the state of HC athletics (sans football for the moment) then laud the PL and it's dimwitted restrictions. Change is good. The PL needs change badly. Correct. Some of those complaining would get rid of the AI in a bid to "upgrade" HC athletics. End the PL restrictions. Pull out of the PL, join the "vaunted" CAA, the BE, or whatever. However, there are those on this board who are upset that HC has not been able to successfully compete within the PL playing by the same rules against schools with a similar academic philosophy and a comparable academic standing. There is no desire to leave the PL or its restrictions."We subscribe to and in fact admire the AI & other PL restrictions. No need to "change" or in reality loosen up restrictions and in all likelihood place greater emphasis on athletics possibly to the detriment of academics. We simply wish to successfully compete against our PL siblings.It seems any attempt by HC to dummy down its standards and leave the PL or for the PL to lower its standards would be dimwitted. We are not implying those who want to jettison PL standards are dimwitted. Please understand the distinction. Peace.
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Post by mainejeff on Mar 30, 2022 8:53:34 GMT -5
At this point the AI is antiquated. The AI may have served a legit purpose 20 or 30 years ago in relation to academic integrity but most schools have reformed their athletic departments to ensure that academics take priority over "win at all costs"....especially at the FCS/mid-major level. The only purpose that the AI serves now is cost containment for schools that cannot afford to compete with their peers.
Question for you guys......would you want Holy Cross to join America East instead of the Patriot IF your football program could stay in the Patriot as an associate member?
Maine UNH Vermont UMass-Lowell Holy Cross Bryant Albany Binghamton NJIT UMBC
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 30, 2022 9:08:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the suggestion that "most schools have reformed their athletic departments to ensure that academics take priority over "win at all costs"....especially at the FCS/mid-major level."
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 30, 2022 9:09:25 GMT -5
At this point the AI is antiquated. The AI may have served a legit purpose 20 or 30 years ago in relation to academic integrity but most schools have reformed their athletic departments to ensure that academics take priority over "win at all costs"....especially at the FCS/mid-major level. The only purpose that the AI serves now is cost containment for schools that cannot afford to compete with their peers. Question for you guys......would you want Holy Cross to join America East instead of the Patriot IF your football program could stay in the Patriot as an associate member? Maine UNH Vermont UMass-Lowell Holy Cross Bryant Albany Binghamton NJIT UMBC No.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 30, 2022 9:18:29 GMT -5
I would support HC to go into America East if the following took place:
1) AE football would be formed. Perhaps HC and Merrimack could join as a package deal.
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2) AE membership could be leveraged to get into Hockey East due to the relationships built with the member schools, as theirs a lot of overlap.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 30, 2022 9:33:45 GMT -5
At this point the AI is antiquated. The AI may have served a legit purpose 20 or 30 years ago in relation to academic integrity but most schools have reformed their athletic departments to ensure that academics take priority over "win at all costs"....especially at the FCS/mid-major level. The only purpose that the AI serves now is cost containment for schools that cannot afford to compete with their peers. Question for you guys......would you want Holy Cross to join America East instead of the Patriot IF your football program could stay in the Patriot as an associate member? Maine UNH Vermont UMass-Lowell Holy Cross Bryant Albany Binghamton NJIT UMBC No. No.
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