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Post by longsuffering on Mar 31, 2022 18:07:00 GMT -5
Why in God's name would HC ever want to join and compete against higher level CAA teams?What is the motivation for some to want HC to compete at a higher level ? Why? How does membership a league with an OVERALL lower academic profile than the PL serve the mission of HC? Doubt membership is going to happen any time soon. PL all the way. Lol buried in the 1980's PL schools don't care about football. Georgtown is a basketball school Bucknell is a basketball school Fordham wants to be a basketball school Colgate is a basketball power You wouldn't care but Bucknell has sucked for 20 years Georgetown has sucked for 20 years No titles nothing! Right now HC is the one with the indoor facility HC is the one raising the coaches salaries. HC is blowing out the PL competition. HC is bringing in the donations. HC is the one winning an FBS game I saw on Any given Saturday people say this HC run is not that special. Yeah ok Lehigh fans. Look at the teams you beat in the 2000's Revisionist history at its finest. PLUS THE PATRIOT LEAGUE BRINGS ZERO FANS TO FITTON! Last season Harvard 10,000. The next week Georgetown 4500. You know your stuff. Homecoming doesn't account for all the discrepancy.
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Post by trimster on Mar 31, 2022 18:07:34 GMT -5
Many of the schools that “Back in the Day”, from the 1960’s,1970’s, still are rotating through the schedule. BC, Syracuse, Army, Buffalo, UConn, UNH, URI, Yale. With new FBS schools on the horizon, Miami OH, San Jose St, North Illinois, etc. What additional schools do you think would add to the interest level on Saturday afternoons that are feasible? I don't know the answer to that and admitted that in my last statement. I do know what hasn't been working for a very long time but I really don't see it changing. I like the fact we regularly play Harvard and Yale and would like to see Dartmouth back on the schedule. I am not a fan of playing BC and Syracuse because they are on an entirely different level and HC has zero chance of winning. I do understand they are important financially. Two teams that we might explore adding to the schedule are Villanova and Delaware and Monmouth might be another especially since there are so many HC alums within a reasonable distance. Among the many things I don't like about the PL is the fact many league games are played in places where there are few alumni. There are exceptions like Georgetown and Fordham in football and BU in basketball. Another is for years we were the only full-time Catholic school in the conference. Was there something wrong with being associated with Catholic schools in the East?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 31, 2022 18:14:41 GMT -5
He's not stupid. He's one of the football alums who strongly support the program and takes the time to give us the inside football info that has kept us sane during the MBB season. Be happy, he's saving us money on medication.😊 I don't believe gks is an alum. Oh, I thought I was referring to Football 44's posts. In any case, GKS is a fine contributor also. The idea of upgrading FB competition isn't a bad one, I just look at the risks of blowing up the PL. I'd love to see Lehigh, Fordham and Colgate field stronger teams this year and have the PL move up a notch.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2022 18:17:10 GMT -5
I don't believe gks is an alum. Oh, I thought I was referring to Football 44's posts. In any case, GKS is a fine contributor also. The idea of upgrading FB competition isn't a bad one, I just look at the risks of blowing up the PL. I'd love to see Lehigh, Fordham and Colgate field stronger teams this year and have the PL move up a notch.I think you'll get your wish.
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Post by gks on Mar 31, 2022 18:18:43 GMT -5
Why in God's name would HC ever want to join and compete against higher level CAA teams?What is the motivation for some to want HC to compete at a higher level ? Why? How does membership a league with an OVERALL lower academic profile than the PL serve the mission of HC? Doubt membership is going to happen any time soon. PL all the way. I am not an alum. I am a lifelong CMass resident and have seen scores of Holy Cross basketball and football games. I've also known plenty of people involved in the athletic department. I'm in the group of people that Holy Cross athletics lost over the past 20+ years. But with Chesney that's changing. I suggest many on this board should get on the train and accept it. The PL is just a means to winning a national championship. If you paid attention to Chesney at Assumption he did the same thing with the NE-10. The goal for Chesney's Greyhounds was long runs in the NCAA D2 tournament. Not a league title. People on this board defending the cherished relationships with the schools in the Pennsylvania league can't, or won't, answer for schools like Richmond. According to some they should be nothing but a cesspool because you can be near the top of a league that includes dreaded state universities. Yet I see them always competing for CAA titles, FCS playoff runs and winning games in the NCAA tournament. Take the governor off this athletic department and let's go. Own Worcester. Own Central Mass again. It's OK. Nothing to be scared of which some seem to be. See you at Fitton.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 31, 2022 18:19:51 GMT -5
Many of the schools that “Back in the Day”, from the 1960’s,1970’s, still are rotating through the schedule. BC, Syracuse, Army, Buffalo, UConn, UNH, URI, Yale. With new FBS schools on the horizon, Miami OH, San Jose St, North Illinois, etc. What additional schools do you think would add to the interest level on Saturday afternoons that are feasible? I don't know the answer to that and admitted that in my last statement. I do know what hasn't been working for a very long time but I really don't see it changing. I like the fact we regularly play Harvard and Yale and would like to see Dartmouth back on the schedule. I am not a fan of playing BC and Syracuse because they are on an entirely different level and HC has zero chance of winning. I do understand they are important financially. Two teams that we might explore adding to the schedule are Villanova and Delaware and Monmouth might be another especially since there are so many HC alums within a reasonable distance. Among the many things I don't like about the PL is the fact many league games are played in places where there are few alumni. There are exceptions like Georgetown and Fordham in football and BU in basketball. Another is for years we were the only full-time Catholic school in the conference. Was there something wrong with being associated with Catholic schools in the East? The MAAC didn't have FB as I recall. We traded Catholic affinity for National LAC and academic affinity I guess.
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Post by football44 on Mar 31, 2022 18:22:23 GMT -5
gks is absolutely right. If Coach Chesney and his staff had their way we'd be playing in the CAA right now. Do you notice that a number of the kids we are recruiting are also being recruited by CAA teams and some FBS schools. We are gravitating away from the kids that want the Ivies. This isn't about academics but about a higher level of football. It also doesn't affect our academic standards either. The CAA is highly looked upon in the FCS. Holy Cross could lose 3-4 games a year (don't want to) but still be chosen to play in the playoffs. Just an opinion! What is your motivation? You’re asking me what is my motivation? First off I have no motivation. Secondly if I did it be None of your business. I’m just giving you and everyone on this board my opinion. I will tell you that I don’t shoot from the hip. If you get some info from me it’s usually accurate. Got it?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 31, 2022 18:27:59 GMT -5
He asked: "How does membership a league with an OVERALL lower academic profile than the PL serve the mission of HC?" Was that question troubling for you? How would you answer it? It needs to be answered (hopefully) before HC starts looking to jump ship from the PL. Not so much academics, but losing our small group of peer national LAC schools we have 35-40 years of history with now. The CAA schools are generally fine academic institutions, but many are large public research universities that are in a different category and face different issues than HC. At the risk of stating the obvious, the Patriot League is not necessarily a collection of peer national LAC schools: American University, the United States Military Academy (Army), Boston University, Bucknell University, Colgate University, College of the Holy Cross, Lafayette College, Lehigh University, Loyola University Maryland, and the United States Naval Academy (Navy) Plus Fordham University and Georgetown University (Football) (And those who suggest ditching PL football are not suggesting a departure from all PL sports in any case.)
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Post by mm67 on Mar 31, 2022 18:32:55 GMT -5
Why in God's name would HC ever want to join and compete against higher level CAA teams?What is the motivation for some to want HC to compete at a higher level ? Why? How does membership a league with an OVERALL lower academic profile than the PL serve the mission of HC? Doubt membership is going to happen any time soon. PL all the way. I am not an alum. I am a lifelong CMass resident and have seen scores of Holy Cross basketball and football games. I've also known plenty of people involved in the athletic department. I'm in the group of people that Holy Cross athletics lost over the past 20+ years. But with Chesney that's changing. I suggest many on this board should get on the train and accept it. The PL is just a means to winning a national championship. If you paid attention to Chesney at Assumption he did the same thing with the NE-10. The goal for Chesney's Greyhounds was long runs in the NCAA D2 tournament. Not a league title. People on this board defending the cherished relationships with the schools in the Pennsylvania league can't, or won't, answer for schools like Richmond. According to some they should be nothing but a cesspool because you can be near the top of a league that includes dreaded state universities. Yet I see them always competing for CAA titles, FCS playoff runs and winning games in the NCAA tournament. Take the governor off this athletic department and let's go. Own Worcester. Own Central Mass again. It's OK. Nothing to be scared of which some seem to be. See you at Fitton. Sir, I appreciate your passion & love for HC. Many of us have fond memories of Worcester andCental Mass. Together we are one.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2022 18:35:25 GMT -5
Why in God's name would HC ever want to join and compete against higher level CAA teams?What is the motivation for some to want HC to compete at a higher level ? Why? How does membership a league with an OVERALL lower academic profile than the PL serve the mission of HC? Doubt membership is going to happen any time soon. PL all the way. Lol buried in the 1980's PL schools don't care about football.
Georgtown is a basketball school Bucknell is a basketball school Fordham wants to be a basketball school Colgate is a basketball power You wouldn't care but Bucknell has sucked for 20 years Georgetown has sucked for 20 years No titles nothing! Right now HC is the one with the indoor facility HC is the one raising the coaches salaries. HC is blowing out the PL competition. HC is bringing in the donations. HC is the one winning an FBS game I saw on Any given Saturday people say this HC run is not that special. Yeah ok Lehigh fans. Look at the teams you beat in the 2000's Revisionist history at its finest. PLUS THE PATRIOT LEAGUE BRINGS ZERO FANS TO FITTON! While the Patriot League overall doesn't really seem to care about any sport, I would argue that more of our members would be considered "football schools" than would be considered "basketball schools". PL football may have left a lot to be desired this past decade as far as the product on the field, however the league is a basketball wasteland IMO. Colgate -- before their current run, which is bordering on dynasty-level, Colgate struggled to average 500+ fans a game. Definitely a football school historically without question. Of course I absolutely welcome their recent rise in hoops and hope that HC and Bucknell get back to prior levels of success so we can have a true "big three" in the league. Lehigh - football school Lafayette - would say more of a football school mainly fed by the rivalry with LU. But they do have a decent basketball following despite historically being pretty mediocre with flashes of success at the PL level. Georgetown - obviously a basketball school Army & Navy - obviously football is king at the academies. They draw absolute flies in hoops except the Army-Navy games and when Navy hosts that USAA Classic or whatever it's called to kickoff the season in Annapolis. Bucknell - 100% a basketball school. Holy Cross - Historically I'd say 50/50. Would argue that our history and tradition in both football and basketball are equally rich. Very sad to see what's become of our basketball program the last 10 years. I imagine it's similar to how HC football fans felt from 1994-2004. Fordham - Despite the fact that they're in the A-10, Fordham is definitely a football school both as far as on-field performance and fan/alumni engagement. I'm close friends with a number of Fordham alum as you might imagine and I can tell you they get more excited when Holy Cross comes to town in football than for any basketball game at Rose Hill aside from the rare times they host St. John's. BU - Hockey school Loyola - Lacrosse school
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 31, 2022 18:44:48 GMT -5
Good tutorial. Fordham basketball is in the right city, the right league but hasn't been able to make it work so far.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2022 18:50:14 GMT -5
PL Baseball has six members and has a playoff auto bid. Special dispensation for baseball because (sadly) schools have been dropping the national pastime? That should read six for the NCAA football minimum, not seven. The three conferences closest to that minimum are the MEAC (six), Northeast (after Bryant, seven), and Patriot.
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Post by gks on Mar 31, 2022 18:51:53 GMT -5
Lol buried in the 1980's PL schools don't care about football.
Georgtown is a basketball school Bucknell is a basketball school Fordham wants to be a basketball school Colgate is a basketball power You wouldn't care but Bucknell has sucked for 20 years Georgetown has sucked for 20 years No titles nothing! Right now HC is the one with the indoor facility HC is the one raising the coaches salaries. HC is blowing out the PL competition. HC is bringing in the donations. HC is the one winning an FBS game I saw on Any given Saturday people say this HC run is not that special. Yeah ok Lehigh fans. Look at the teams you beat in the 2000's Revisionist history at its finest. PLUS THE PATRIOT LEAGUE BRINGS ZERO FANS TO FITTON! While the Patriot League overall doesn't really seem to care about any sport, I would argue that more of our members would be considered "football schools" than would be considered "basketball schools". PL football may have left a lot to be desired this past decade as far as the product on the field, however the league is a basketball wasteland IMO. Colgate -- before their current run, which is bordering on dynasty-level, Colgate struggled to average 500+ fans a game. Definitely a football school historically without question. Of course I absolutely welcome their recent rise in hoops and hope that HC and Bucknell get back to prior levels of success so we can have a true "big three" in the league. Lehigh - football school Lafayette - would say more of a football school mainly fed by the rivalry with LU. But they do have a decent basketball following despite historically being pretty mediocre with flashes of success at the PL level. Georgetown - obviously a basketball school Army & Navy - obviously football is king at the academies. They draw absolute flies in hoops except the Army-Navy games and when Navy hosts that USAA Classic or whatever it's called to kickoff the season in Annapolis. Bucknell - 100% a basketball school. Holy Cross - Historically I'd say 50/50. Would argue that our history and tradition in both football and basketball are equally rich. Very sad to see what's become of our basketball program the last 10 years. I imagine it's similar to how HC football fans felt from 1994-2004. Fordham - Despite the fact that they're in the A-10, Fordham is definitely a football school both as far as on-field performance and fan/alumni engagement. I'm close friends with a number of Fordham alum as you might imagine and I can tell you they get more excited when Holy Cross comes to town in football than for any basketball game at Rose Hill aside from the rare times they host St. John's. BU - Hockey school Loyola - Lacrosse school Your first sentence could not be a truer statement. 100% spot on.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2022 19:30:23 GMT -5
Lol buried in the 1980's PL schools don't care about football. You wouldn't care but Bucknell has sucked for 20 years Georgetown has sucked for 20 years No titles nothing! I won't speak for Bucknell (which has had a good season now and then), but everyone knows Georgetown is not competing on an even playing field as the other six schools--some of it is Georgetown's choosing, some of it is a reflection of being outliers on SAT ranges relative to other schools. The PL approach to admissions is tightening the recruiting net every year.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2022 21:08:54 GMT -5
Lol buried in the 1980's PL schools don't care about football. You wouldn't care but Bucknell has sucked for 20 years Georgetown has sucked for 20 years No titles nothing! I won't speak for Bucknell (which has had a good season now and then), but everyone knows Georgetown is not competing on an even playing field as the other six schools--some of it is Georgetown's choosing, some of it is a reflection of being outliers on SAT ranges relative to other schools. The PL approach to admissions is tightening the recruiting net every year. You've referenced Georgetown's relative SAT range a bunch of times and logically it kind of makes sense that it would be harder for Georgetown to recruit with a smaller pool of prospective admits available. However, how then are Ivy League schools using the AI, with higher SAT ranges than Georgetown, not having a problem bringing in talent that largely exceeds the PL?
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 31, 2022 21:10:46 GMT -5
Phreek- I'd need more detail before I agreed that HC alums are not deep-pocketed. When you say that alums/boosters fund a bit over six percent of the athletic budget, does that include just donations specifically designated for athletics? When an alum or supporter makes an undesignated donation to the college m doesn't some of that $$$ end up in the athletic budget? Holy Cross submits an annual revenue and expense report to the NCAA. All member institutions so. This report breaks out the sources of generated revenue, e.g., ticket sales, media rights, licensing etc. For all of FCS,Student fees 13 percent (HC doesn't charge a separate athletics fee. This is more common in state universities) Donor Contributions & Endowments 11 percent Media Rights, NCAA Distributions 5 percent Ticket Sales 4 percent Guarantees 3 percent Royalties, Licensing 3 percent Other 3 percent All generated revenue 42 percentSchool subsidy 58 percent Holy Cross is grouped in Quartile One among all FCS schools. Schools in Quartile One had a median expense of $35.5 million in 2019-20. HC was below the median. Quartile Two had a median expense of $24.9 million. Holy Cross expenses were way above the Quartile Two median. For Quartile One schools, the median loss was $26.7 million. To balance the books, the college/university appropriates money from student tuition, fees (including room and board, but excluding athletic fees, other general revenue, and the distribution of unrestricted endowment monies. For schools in the first quartile, Institutions' support represented 57 percent of total revenue, student fees were 12 percent, and alumni contributions were 10 percent. Holy Cross expenses in 2019-20 were nearly $34 million. The CAF received about $2.1 million if memory serves. The CAF contributions covered 6.2 percent of the athletic department budget. There is no way of capturing how much of a donor's contribution to the annual fund went to athletics. It might be zero. The institutional subsidy might be financed entirely by student tuition, for example. The CAF is not part of the institutional subsidy, it counts as generated revenue. Those interested in an actual revenue and expense report can download the 2020-21 report from the University of Utah, if one wants to see where the money goes in great detail. utahutes.com/documents/2022/1/14/FY21_NCAA_Revenue_and_Expense_Report.pdf^^^ Note the $0 revenue for ticket sales in most sports because of the pandemic. Most of the figures you show for Utah and for EVERY OTHER school can be seen here. ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2022 21:18:40 GMT -5
Good tutorial. Fordham basketball is in the right city, the right league but hasn't been able to make it work so far. I'm cautiously optimistic about Fordham basketball for the first time since about 2005. They also have had an awful track record of star freshmen leave after a great rookie season -- and this goes back to before the transfer portal was even a thing.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 31, 2022 21:26:48 GMT -5
The PL has been a good league for HC football (which was its original intent...a football league only)....it's been an abject failure (in terms of wins/losses, program enhancement etc) in just about every other varsity sport at HC.....not implying we should leave the PL, just stating the facts. The dirty little secret is our non revenue sports we’re really bad going back to the 70s and 80s. I wouldn't say "really bad" but most of our sports then not named M/W basketball, football, baseball and maybe track were playing at the D2/D3 level in their sport. In an ideal world, that is where we should still be given our school's enrollment and the # of sports we offer but the "Dayton Rule" was passed (late 80s/early 90s?) which stipulates that all athletic programs must compete in the same division. Moving to the CAA for football really doesn't "move the needle" imo....under Chesney, we are basically at their level already. What the PL should do for football is eliminate the unncessary "govenors" like the rules for red-shirting, # of scholarships, size of the squad etc....this would really allow HC to compete at the highest level of FCS football.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2022 21:33:07 GMT -5
87 - totally agree that it's time for the Patriot League to take the handcuffs off of its member institutions when it comes to football.
I do think that when it comes to minor sports, the Patriot League is a tough spot for us because Holy Cross is largely using the "participation model" when it comes to these programs whereas the likes of Army, Navy, BU, Bucknell and Loyola are largely competing at a national level. Holy Cross would definitely be more competitive in minor, non-revenue sports if we were in the MAAC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 31, 2022 22:01:39 GMT -5
The dirty little secret is our non revenue sports we’re really bad going back to the 70s and 80s. I wouldn't say "really bad" but most of our sports then not named M/W basketball, football, baseball and maybe track were playing at the D2/D3 level in their sport. In an ideal world, that is where we should still be given our school's enrollment and the # of sports we offer but the "Dayton Rule" was passed (late 80s/early 90s?) which stipulates that all athletic programs must compete in the same division. Moving to the CAA for football really doesn't "move the needle" imo....under Chesney, we are basically at their level already. What the PL should do for football is eliminate the unncessary "govenors" like the rules for red-shirting, # of scholarships, size of the squad etc....this would really allow HC to compete at the highest level of FCS football. Some sports are still playing at a D2/D3 level see the Tennis and Swimming & Diving programs
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Post by football44 on Apr 1, 2022 4:48:28 GMT -5
I don't believe gks is an alum. Oh, I thought I was referring to Football 44's posts. In any case, GKS is a fine contributor also. The idea of upgrading FB competition isn't a bad one, I just look at the risks of blowing up the PL. I'd love to see Lehigh, Fordham and Colgate field stronger teams this year and have the PL move up a notch. Thank you longsuffering! Appreciate you having my back!👍
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Post by football44 on Apr 1, 2022 4:57:04 GMT -5
Don't be afraid"? Don't try to Ghost me. Sir, you have no basis to make such a stupid comment.What is your motivation for HC to compete at a higher level? What is the benefit to HC? Or, is it purely personal on your part and all that? Don't be stupid! He's not stupid. He's one of the football alums who strongly support the program and takes the time to give us the inside football info that has kept us sane during the MBB season. Be happy, he's saving us money on medication.😊 Played 4 years for HC. Definitely not stupid! Love my sport! That’s all!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 1, 2022 7:19:33 GMT -5
Holy Cross submits an annual revenue and expense report to the NCAA. All member institutions so. This report breaks out the sources of generated revenue, e.g., ticket sales, media rights, licensing etc. For all of FCS,Student fees 13 percent (HC doesn't charge a separate athletics fee. This is more common in state universities) Donor Contributions & Endowments 11 percent Media Rights, NCAA Distributions 5 percent Ticket Sales 4 percent Guarantees 3 percent Royalties, Licensing 3 percent Other 3 percent All generated revenue 42 percentSchool subsidy 58 percent Holy Cross is grouped in Quartile One among all FCS schools. Schools in Quartile One had a median expense of $35.5 million in 2019-20. HC was below the median. Quartile Two had a median expense of $24.9 million. Holy Cross expenses were way above the Quartile Two median. For Quartile One schools, the median loss was $26.7 million. To balance the books, the college/university appropriates money from student tuition, fees (including room and board, but excluding athletic fees, other general revenue, and the distribution of unrestricted endowment monies. For schools in the first quartile, Institutions' support represented 57 percent of total revenue, student fees were 12 percent, and alumni contributions were 10 percent. Holy Cross expenses in 2019-20 were nearly $34 million. The CAF received about $2.1 million if memory serves. The CAF contributions covered 6.2 percent of the athletic department budget. There is no way of capturing how much of a donor's contribution to the annual fund went to athletics. It might be zero. The institutional subsidy might be financed entirely by student tuition, for example. The CAF is not part of the institutional subsidy, it counts as generated revenue. Those interested in an actual revenue and expense report can download the 2020-21 report from the University of Utah, if one wants to see where the money goes in great detail. utahutes.com/documents/2022/1/14/FY21_NCAA_Revenue_and_Expense_Report.pdf^^^ Note the $0 revenue for ticket sales in most sports because of the pandemic. Most of the figures you show for Utah and for EVERY OTHER school can be seen here. ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/searchFoley, you either didn't read the University of Utah's report, or you don't read the Title IX reports on the Dept. of Education's website, or both. For example, as acknowledged in the Dept. of Education's instructions for schools when preparing their Title IX reports, the Title IX reports are highly aggregated., particularly the data on the revenue side. As a bonus, the link below is to an audit of Bill & Mary's athletics revenue and expense reporting for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2020. The audit displays details on revenue by source, and expenses by category. This audit has some of the detail in the NCAA revenue and expense report. For example, W&M's football expenses exceeded revenue by nearly $3 million. W&M's football coaches were paid $2,036,000; football team travel cost $465,000, etc., etc. About 60 percent of total football revenue came from alumni donors and the endowment (restricted endowment funds for football). Media rights generated a whopping $21,000. Detail is also provided on the Tribe's men and women's basketball program. Men's hoops spent more on recruiting than football did. See: www.wm.edu/offices/financialoperations/documents/wmncaa2020.pdf
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Post by HC92 on Apr 1, 2022 7:20:30 GMT -5
On the broad topic of leaving the PL for a higher level conference and why we would do that when we’re mostly non-competitive in sports outside of football (where we were mostly non-competitive for 25 years until Chesney arrived), I think the disconnect is the assumption that we’d lift and load the same athletic model and try to win in a better league. I think the pro-move posters want us to completely re-evaluate our athletic model while also moving to another conference. This would involve budgets, academic requirements for student-athletes, fifth year eligibility, cutting some sports, etc. A football-only move would require less change than an all-sport move but I can’t envision a scenario where the PL would let us stay if we leave for football which is the only place we’re currently adding value. A compromise position would be to re-evaluate the self-imposed limitations in our athletic model while improving our results in the PL.
As for what better athletics can do for us, those benefits would include increased name recognition and applications, as well as increased alumni engagement and donations. We can debate how much benefit we might get in these areas under certain scenarios and whether those benefits justify the increased costs. The current reality is we are mostly invisible outside NY, NJ, PA and New England.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 1, 2022 8:02:13 GMT -5
The problem is that some posters have champagne tastes on beer budgets. Holy Cross is big on the participation model because it is the students and their parents who are underwriting the lion's share of the costs of HC's athletic program, --not the alumni, not the fans in Worcester County.
For William & Mary, alumni contributions and restricted endowment funds provided $3.1 million in football revenue. For HC, the number is about a tenth of that. And how does W&M balance the books to cover losses in the athletic program, e.g., football, hoops? Student fees. $2,200 a year x 7,000 students = an account in balance.
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