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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2022 13:10:28 GMT -5
5 CAA teams in. With Fordham and HC together it seems as though the PL has really only 1 bid. Prestige and reputation with Delaware and Montana getting in and NDSU getting a 3 seed matter more than records or rankings. To me, moral victories and platitudes do not matter. The #8 seed is a sign of disrespect and an indication that Holy Cross must leave the PL in order to get a top 4 seed and a legit shot at a natty. Or schedule and beat more CAA teams. (Forget the dopey ‘We beat Harvard and Yale and Merrimack the same year’ badge of honor. Yes, I know it’s the first time we’ve done that. Ever!)
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 20, 2022 13:12:46 GMT -5
What do you folks think the committee valued most this year? Considering NDSU's rank, I would put reputation and conference pestige up there. Should we have rankings play more of a role and take out some of the human biases?
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 20, 2022 13:14:09 GMT -5
Bucknell AD on committee. Is it same guy who didn’t allow HC parents to attend league championship game? If true, then the Bucknell AD has short-changed his own league. Separating HC and Fordham would allow league more bites at the apple to advance in tournament (and get more league exposure). Instead, it’s guaranteed that no more than one PL team will go to FCS quarterfinals. And, he is the Chairman of the Committee!!!
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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2022 13:15:41 GMT -5
If true, then the Bucknell AD has short-changed his own league. Separating HC and Fordham would allow league more bites at the apple to advance in tournament (and get more league exposure). Instead, it’s guaranteed that no more than one PL team will go to FCS quarterfinals. And, he is the Chairman of the Committee!!! Obviously an ‘expert’ given the state of the Bucknell football program/dumpster fire. On the bright side UNH - Fordham will be very watchable and I’m not sure who I’m rooting for.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 20, 2022 13:18:16 GMT -5
Admittedly, HC succeeded against a weak schedule. Lafayette, FU & Bryant scores did not add value to HC's ranking. Obviously, one could posit that given HC's play in the second half of the season it is doubtful HC would have gone undefeated in CAA play. It was HC's margin of victory most notably Laffy & Bryant not only its weak PL schedule which contributed to its ranking. # 8 with a bye is fine.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 20, 2022 13:27:15 GMT -5
Craig Haley pointing out that the Committee must not have valued late season or second half performances with Montana and Delaware loosing on the final weekend. He had UIW as 8. Based on that, we should have been higher.
Massey has HC, 41-35 over Fordham with a 61% chance.
HC 31-24 over UNH with a 66% chance.
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 20, 2022 13:28:36 GMT -5
In reality, there's very little operational difference between a #6 seed and an #8 seed. Should HC advance to the quarters, there isn't much difference between having to go play at the 3, 2 or 1. They're all great teams at that point.
Count me in as wanting to see more CAA teams on the schedule. I think Harvard and Yale have their places on the schedule, but would love to see more UNH, Villanova and W&M as well. Just my .02.
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Post by lou on Nov 20, 2022 13:30:35 GMT -5
Craig Haley pointing out that the Committee must not have valued late season or second half performances with Montana and Delaware loosing on the final weekend. He had UIW as 8. Based on that, we should have been higher. Massey has HC, 41-35 over Fordham with a 61% chance. HC 31-24 over UNH with a 66% chance. By definition, isn't every seeded team favored in their 2nd round game?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 20, 2022 13:33:05 GMT -5
Hate this bracket. Potential of playing a conference rival in Round 2 is ridiculous. Then getting No. 1 team in following round is rough. Selection Committee did HC no favors. Only one thing left to do now: This is pretty par for the course when it comes to the FCS playoff bracket. When the field was only 16, intra-conference rematches would be avoided until the quarters but now that it's a 24 team field, it happens in the Round of 16 fairly often. Glass half full -- there's a 67% chance of a Patriot League team reaching the national quarterfinals, which is pretty cool. And Holy Cross might have the opportunity to open the playoffs with a team that a) already beat and b) have won 5 straight against. Crazy thing though about HC-Fordham games under Bob Chesney => HC is 5-0 in those games, Fordham has either led or been tied with us at halftime in all five. Fordham has had the same QB for all five games. And Fordham has held a double digit lead at some point in four out five of those games, with the exception being the 2021 game at Rose Hill.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 20, 2022 13:33:52 GMT -5
Craig Haley pointing out that the Committee must not have valued late season or second half performances with Montana and Delaware loosing on the final weekend. He had UIW as 8. Based on that, we should have been higher. Massey has HC, 41-35 over Fordham with a 61% chance. HC 31-24 over UNH with a 66% chance. By definition, isn't every seeded team favored in their 2nd round game? Not if Vegas thinks otherwise....
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2022 13:34:06 GMT -5
Bucknell AD on committee. Is it same guy who didn’t allow HC parents to attend league championship game? If true, then the Bucknell AD has short-changed his own league. Separating HC and Fordham would allow league more bites at the apple to advance in tournament (and get more league exposure). Instead, it’s guaranteed that no more than one PL team will go to FCS quarterfinals. I'll offer a dueling conspiracy theory as to why Bucknell AD Truax only got HC an eight seed and pitted HC against Fordham in round two if the Rams survive UNH: maybe he had to negotiate concessions to secure two bids for the PL. Fordham was no lock to get in. URI didn't make it. There probably isn't this kind of horse trading in the committee meeting but I really don't know how they made their final decisions.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 20, 2022 13:38:43 GMT -5
In reality, there's very little operational difference between a #6 seed and an #8 seed. Should HC advance to the quarters, there isn't much difference between having to go play at the 3, 2 or 1. They're all great teams at that point. Count me in as wanting to see more CAA teams on the schedule. I think Harvard and Yale have their places on the schedule, but would love to see more UNH, Villanova and W&M as well. Just my .02. Absolutely right. I'd actually rather go to Brookings again than deal with trying to win at the Fargo Dome in the quarters. And regardless of whether we were seeded 6,7 or 8, we'd still be playing the winner of the same out-bracket pod because of regionalization. Really the only thing that would've been cool would've been to give HC #7 and UIW #8 as cruskater31 pointed out. For two reasons => a) the history with the 1969 storyline and b) we deserve to be a higher seed than Incarnate Word IMO. Negligible difference in SOS with Southland being slightly stronger than the PL, we were undefeated while they weren't and we had TWO more DI wins since they beat a non-DI opponent.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 20, 2022 13:40:51 GMT -5
If true, then the Bucknell AD has short-changed his own league. Separating HC and Fordham would allow league more bites at the apple to advance in tournament (and get more league exposure). Instead, it’s guaranteed that no more than one PL team will go to FCS quarterfinals. I'll offer a dueling conspiracy theory as to why Bucknell AD Truax only got HC an eight seed and pitted HC against Fordham in round two if the Rams survive UNH: maybe he had to negotiate concessions to secure two bids for the PL. Fordham was no lock to get in. URI didn't make it. There probably isn't this kind of horse trading in the committee meeting but I really don't know how they made their final decisions. Fordham got in because they deserved to be in. Same-conference matchups in the Round of 16 are not uncommon.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 20, 2022 13:42:28 GMT -5
Yeah....it's really too bad we won't see Sac St unless we meet in Frisco. We should have been at least a #7 seed...
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Post by lou on Nov 20, 2022 13:45:17 GMT -5
I'll offer a dueling conspiracy theory as to why Bucknell AD Truax only got HC an eight seed and pitted HC against Fordham in round two if the Rams survive UNH: maybe he had to negotiate concessions to secure two bids for the PL. Fordham was no lock to get in. URI didn't make it. There probably isn't this kind of horse trading in the committee meeting but I really don't know how they made their final decisions. Fordham got in because they deserved to be in. Same-conference matchups in the Round of 16 are not uncommon. Maybe, but how common when a league has only two teams in the tourney?
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Post by cmo on Nov 20, 2022 13:47:07 GMT -5
If true, then the Bucknell AD has short-changed his own league. Separating HC and Fordham would allow league more bites at the apple to advance in tournament (and get more league exposure). Instead, it’s guaranteed that no more than one PL team will go to FCS quarterfinals. And, he is the Chairman of the Committee!!! Tells us everything we need to know
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 20, 2022 13:48:02 GMT -5
Bucknell AD on committee. Is it same guy who didn’t allow HC parents to attend league championship game? If true, then the Bucknell AD has short-changed his own league. Separating HC and Fordham would allow league more bites at the apple to advance in tournament (and get more league exposure). Instead, it’s guaranteed that no more than one PL team will go to FCS quarterfinals. He is supposed to step out of the room during discussions about his league members.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 20, 2022 13:53:36 GMT -5
Fordham got in because they deserved to be in. Same-conference matchups in the Round of 16 are not uncommon. Maybe, but how common when a league has only two teams in the tourney? Good question, would have to look it up but in general the theme for the FCS playoff bracket has always been regionalization. As for the 4 non-seeded teams in the bracket from Mid-Atlantic and New England, there's a reason they were paired the way they are. Pairing UD-Fordham and SFU-UNH doesn't work because Pittsburgh => Durham is a flight while SFU => Delaware is not. The other alternative would've been to have Delaware and UNH play each other in Round of 24, which TECHNICALLY they could do since they didn't play in the regular season but I think they still want to avoid same conference match-ups in opening round. You COULD have in theory done UNH-Delaware** => Holy Cross and Fordham-SFU => SDSU ** edit - UNH-Delaware, if the committee is allowed to pair same conference teams that didn't play that season, is actually 401 miles. So technically it would be a flight by the NCAA definition. Not sure in actuality if these schools bus or fly to each other typically. I would guess Southwest from Manchester or Boston to BWI would make sense. Similar range as HC => Georgetown.
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Post by hc80 on Nov 20, 2022 13:55:10 GMT -5
As usual Foley - you are wrong. Only recuses from discussions on his school, not the conference
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Post by lou on Nov 20, 2022 13:55:46 GMT -5
If true, then the Bucknell AD has short-changed his own league. Separating HC and Fordham would allow league more bites at the apple to advance in tournament (and get more league exposure). Instead, it’s guaranteed that no more than one PL team will go to FCS quarterfinals. He is supposed to step out of the room during discussions about his league members. Makes no sense, the CAA rep would never meet
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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2022 14:08:02 GMT -5
As usual Foley - you are wrong. Only recuses from discussions on his school, not the conference And in a shocking development, Bucknell was not a hot topic during selection discussions.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 20, 2022 14:12:58 GMT -5
If its Fordham in 2 weeks, I would worry about that law of averages thing.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 20, 2022 14:22:14 GMT -5
Delta $168 to Minneapolis and then a car rental to Brookings? More expensive to fly into Sioux Falls. I bet the weather will be great. Have to win first.
Wish we had a Southern team coming into Fitton or the chance for a team like Samford or W&M in the Quarters. UIW coach actually mentioned the weather in Sacramento as faborable should they meet.
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Post by rf1 on Nov 20, 2022 14:28:14 GMT -5
Delaware in. Not a joke. We won't know who got the short end of the stick until we see the last 8 teams. Probably URI. Rams had better CAA record but UD won head to head with same overall record and FBS win. Delaware did not beat a single team in the FCS playoffs. They lost three of the their last four and four of their last six to close out the year. Finished 4-4 in the CAA tied for sixth place.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 20, 2022 14:34:09 GMT -5
Delta $168 to Minneapolis and then a car rental to Brookings? More expensive to fly into Sioux Falls. I bet the weather will be great. Have to win first. Wish we had a Southern team coming into Fitton or the chance for a team like Samford or W&M in the Quarters. UIW coach actually mentioned the weather in Sacramento as faborable should they meet. I went to our game there in April 2021 and thats what I did. About a 4 hour drive from MSP. Brookings is right over the border from MN.
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