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Post by efg72 on Nov 13, 2023 11:13:47 GMT -5
The other 7-4 teams will have ranked wins-- are some of those teams worthy of being ranked? It might be a subject for many to discuss in the offseason.
We had chances to control our destiny. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. Now we play, win, and wait.
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Post by deep Purple on Nov 13, 2023 11:27:31 GMT -5
The other 7-4 teams will have ranked wins-- are some of those teams worthy of being ranked? But most have more FCS losses. Rankings are subjective. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 13, 2023 11:34:45 GMT -5
I'm not willing to give in that easily. With a win on Saturday, we'll be 7-2 against FBS with our only losses being to i.) our League co-champ and. ii.) the (likely) Ivy League champ. We have two losses to FBS teams - each by three points. One of those schools is a bowl-eligible P5 team against which we very much held our own, and the other, also likely to be bowl-eligible, lost almost every statistical measure against us except for the one that really counts. I agree with this. Two close FCS losses, one against the Ivy champ and the other against the PL co-champ. There's going to be a lot of 7-4 bubble teams and almost all of them have three FCS losses. What makes them so great? For example Sam Herder has Northern Iowa ranked 14. What?? They're 6-4 with three FCS losses, one of them was to a bad Missouri State team and they're going to play ND State on Saturday. Either they end up 6-5 or ND State ends up 7-4 with FOUR FCS losses. They didn't even play any FBS teams. I get that it's a good league, but they don't have anymore scholarships than anyone else. And not all MVFC teams are good. The bottom half of that conference stinks. I can just about 100% guarantee you that either 7-4 NDSU or 7-4 Northern Iowa get in over 7-4 Holy Cross. Hope I'm wrong. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 13, 2023 11:37:35 GMT -5
HC was a play here and a play there from being 9-1 right now (imagine if the punt against Harvard gets blocked or the ball is on the Harvard 45 instead of roughing, a first down, and a five minute longer drive.) Of course, a play here and a play there and the Fordham and Lehigh games are losses for HC. Holy Cross will be better than teams that make it because they are auto qualifiers and arguably better than some team that gets an at large. There are some criteria and there are 10 humans trying to apply them. The odds that Lehigh will beat Lafayette are better than the odds that HC was going to beat Georgetown the other night. Let's hope that Lehigh has a Joe Octave waiting to step up. On paper, Lafayette-Lehigh is a 3-score game. However, I am just about certain the game will be closer. |
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 13, 2023 11:41:18 GMT -5
In a conscious effort to derail this thread, I know that you know they are not the "Engineers" (but do greatly appreciate the pun) and are instead the "Mountain Hawks."
So, I am not sure using that term "engineer" is as verboten as the use of our late, great Crusader logo but have to share this little anecdote that should really spin off the trail:
At the West Point post-game PC reception, I was very surprised to see Fr. Michael McFarland, S.J., president emeritus. So we have a mutual "best friend," me from HC, him from high school, who we chat about whenever we see each other (a lot less nowadays).
Fr. Mike is wearing a Holy Cross gray sweatshirt/hoodie. He says to me, totally unsolicited, "I'm wearing contraband" with a big smile. I know EXACTLY what he means but say in mock shock, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!" He says, "It's got the Crusader logo!" We both laugh and I tell him, "Next time you see Phil Boroughs, ask him about our conversations. I still blame him for that." Trying to top that, he then says to me, "I got this from Billy Gibbons." At that point, I have to raise the white flag as he's got me beat.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 13, 2023 11:47:13 GMT -5
And, to get semi back on track, I will share anonymously a response I got from one of the players who was very confident we'd knock off Army:
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Post by efg72 on Nov 15, 2023 9:34:13 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 15, 2023 10:08:41 GMT -5
The spot has always been open, right? It’s not like Tarleton has been considered eligible for the playoffs at all this season. |
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Post by efg72 on Nov 15, 2023 10:10:53 GMT -5
It seems as if Herder, Hailey and others all thought they were eligible.
I am not suggesting it makes a difference for us, but for those keeping score it is information.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 15, 2023 10:19:56 GMT -5
It seems as if Herder, Hailey and others all thought they were eligible. I am not suggesting it makes a difference for us, but for those keeping score it is information. Tarleton never appeared in any of Sam Herder's bracketology predictions, so I'm not sure if that's the case. |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 15, 2023 11:47:16 GMT -5
Operating assumption has been that Tarleton is/was ineligible for the post season. This is their final year of transition from D-2, similar to Merrimack last year. And keep an eye on this program, they have institutional buy-in and a big alumni base etc. New, fantastic facilities/amenities. Already one of the best home attendance averages in FCS ! They look to already be market correcting Stephen F Austin.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 15, 2023 20:34:39 GMT -5
Tarleton's waiver denied this evening along with JMU
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 16, 2023 16:53:31 GMT -5
Do we want Harvard or Yale to win on Saturday? If Harvard, we can say that one of our FCS losses was to the Ivy champs. IYale, we can say that we beat the Ivy champs. Which would the Committee like better?
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Post by efg72 on Nov 16, 2023 17:00:02 GMT -5
You want Harvard to win because they are a ranked team
2 FBS loses
2FCS loses to teams currently ranked
But you never know what this FCS group will do
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 16, 2023 17:16:49 GMT -5
Do we want Harvard or Yale to win on Saturday? If Harvard, we can say that one of our FCS losses was to the Ivy champs. IYale, we can say that we beat the Ivy champs. Which would the Committee like better? Good question. I think if a Yale win ends up launching them Top 25, then that's what we want. Otherwise, I'd say better for Harvard to win to make it so that both of our two losses are to conference champs in the Top 25. But we may be splitting hairs here. My guess is that quality wins matter slightly more than quality losses so if Yale becomes a quality win after Saturday that would possibly help us more. And if Yale beats Harvard, I don't think it automatically knocks Harvard out of the Top 25. |
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Post by efg72 on Nov 16, 2023 17:31:13 GMT -5
The winner will be number 24/25
FCS voters dislike the IL because they won't agree to the playoffs
An honest, but incredibly biased group voting on Stats
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 16, 2023 17:52:41 GMT -5
The winner will be number 24/25 FCS voters dislike the IL because they won't agree to the playoffsAn honest, but incredibly biased group voting on Stats Not sure about that. Harvard got a lot of love in the polls when they beat us at Polar, and remained pretty comfortably in the rankings despite losing to a Princeton team that isn't very good. Yale not being ranked is understandable as they've been fighting an uphill battle since the Cornell loss early in the year. The week after they were beaten to a pulp by what I would consider a very good team in purple. The MEAC and SWAC teams don't seem to have a problem getting votes despite sending their best teams to the Celebration Bowl. Not to mention that the SWAC has a conference championship game and several regular season rivalry games that conflict with the playoffs, yet teams in that conference get respect in the polls when its due. I'm thinking if Harvard wins, they'll be in the 16-19 range, while Yale remains out. If Yale wins, both should be in the 22-25 range. |
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Post by efg72 on Nov 16, 2023 17:57:50 GMT -5
Respectfully will agree to disagree
I had an hour plus exchange last night with voters who expressed true displeasure with the IL
They want them to commit to the playoffs
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 16, 2023 18:06:31 GMT -5
Respectfully will agree to disagree I had an hour plus exchange last night with voters who expressed true displeasure with the IL They want them to commit to the playoffs For sure, having the Ivies involved would be great for the tournament. If you asked me 15 years ago if I thought they'd be participating by now, I'd have said 75-80% yes. And now, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. To be fair, the Ivies eschewed the postseason long before they were dropped to I-AA. The great Dartmouth team from 1970 (last Ivy to be ranked in the AP Top 25) notoriously rejected overtures to be paired in a bowl game with Penn State. And I think the HBCUs add just as much to the tournament. I understand the Celebration Bowl makes so much more sense for the MEAC and SWAC champs. And usually I do root for a runner-up to get an at-large because I do want to see those leagues in the mix. Of course, I didn't want NC Central to take up an at-large spot this year since we're technically competing with them from the far, far edge of the bubble. The postseason would definitely be better with the Ivies and HBCU involved every year. I'm just not convinced that voters intentionally penalize these teams in the rankings. |
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Post by efg72 on Nov 16, 2023 18:35:29 GMT -5
And the final point is where we can respectfully disagree
No voter could explain with facts or data why the 3-6 teams in the Sky, Valley, or Southern conferences deserved higher rankings or acceptance over CAA, Ivy or PL teams ranked 1-2
Anyway it was an interesting conversation - all about the geography
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Post by efg72 on Nov 16, 2023 19:40:03 GMT -5
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The case for and against 26 FCS teams for an at-large bid in the 2023 playoffs
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The FCS playoff selection show is days away and with one game left to play, it's time to take a look at the FCS at-large bubble. Let's take a deep dive into all of the cases of teams on the edge of the playoff field.
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Guarantee-ish
First, we'll start with the five to seven at-larges that have almost a guaranteed shot — in my opinion — to earn an at-large bid to the FCS playoffs regardless of Week 12's results:
No. 3 Montana and No. 4 Montana State
The winner of Montana and Montana State's game will earn the Big Sky's auto-bid. The loser will still get an at-large bid and be in the conversation for a playoff seed
No. 5 South Dakota
South Dakota only has one FCS loss entering the final week of the season and has wins over four MVFC teams that will be in contention for an at-large spot. Even with a stunning loss to Western Illinois, the Coyotes are getting into the playoffs.
No. 8 Idaho
Idaho likely gets an at-large bid even with a loss as the Vandals have seven wins, including an FBS win and wins over Montana State and Sacramento State.
No. 6 Delaware and No. 15 Villanova
Delaware and Villanova both have one FCS loss entering the final week of the season where they play head to head. The winner of that game is in the playoffs regardless of if it earns the auto-bid or not. The loser of that game will have two FCS losses — Delaware's other loss to Elon and Villanova's other loss to UAlbany. Neither Delaware nor Villanova's losses will be egregious enough to keep it out of the playoffs.
No. 23 UAlbany
UAlbany is 8-3 on the season, but two losses are to FBS opponents and one loss is to an FCS opponent, New Hampshire, by one possession. If UAlbany wins, it's in the playoffs no question. If UAlbany loses, some might question its at-large hopes but an eight FCS win team with two FCS losses and a ranked win over Villanova won't miss the playoffs.
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No. 12 Austin Peay
If Austin Peay wins, it gets the ASUN-WAC (UAC) auto-bid.
If Austin Peay loses, it'll be 8-3 on the season with FCS losses to Southern Illinois and Central Arkansas. Unfortunately for the Governors, Southern Illinois is also on the FCS playoff bubble as are other teams that beat the Salukis. That'll be the reason the Governors miss the playoffs. The case for Austin Peay will be its eight FCS wins, albeit none notable.
No. 13 UT Martin
UT Martin still has a shot at the Big South-OVC auto-bid if Gardner-Webb loses and the Skyhawks win. If Gardner-Webb wins, UT Martin will be in the at-large picture. With a win, UT Martin will receive an at-large bid with only one FCS loss. With a loss, UT Martin will have two FCS losses and its best wins will be over Eastern Illinois and Tennessee State. The Skyhawks will still have a case for an at-large bid because few teams will have fewer than two FCS losses on the bubble. However, a lack of a notable win could leave UT Martin on the outside looking in.
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No. 22 Lafayette and No. 25 Holy Cross
The Patriot League title is up for grabs between Lafayette and Holy Cross. Lafayette just needs to win against Lehigh to secure an auto-bid while Holy Cross needs some help. One of these teams will take the conference title so let's look at their at-large candidacies for the team that doesn't.
With a loss, Lafayette will have eight FCS wins and two FCS losses with its most notable win being over Holy Cross. Holy Cross is ranked and will be in the playoffs if the Leopards are in the at-large discussion, so Lafayette's case for an at-large is strong. However, weighing a Holy Cross-ranked win to an MVFC-ranked win may pale in comparison and losses to Colgate and Lehigh could stick out like a pair of sore thumbs, thereby keeping Lafayette out of the playoffs.
Holy Cross' at-large hopes depend on a win against Georgetown. A loss knocks the Crusaders out of the playoff picture. Yet with a win, Holy Cross will have seven FCS wins to two FCS losses, both coming to ranked teams in Harvard and Lafayette. The committee could look at that resume from a Holy Cross team that returns most of a team advanced to the FCS quarterfinals a year ago and love it. Or, the committee could see a Holy Cross team whose most notable win might be over Merrimack and keep the Crusaders out.
No. 14 North Carolina Central
After North Carolina Central lost to Howard, its Celebration Bowl hopes lessened. However, the Eagles can still play in the postseason via the FCS playoffs. First, NCCU must defeat a lowly Delaware State team this weekend. Without a win there, don't expect the Eagles in any postseason action.
Assuming NCCU does win, then it likely makes the FCS playoffs if it doesn't get the help it needs from Morgan State to win the MEAC. NCCU won't miss out on the playoffs with only one FCS loss.
So, if you're keeping track, the best scenario for teams on the FCS playoff bubble is for Austin-Peay, Charleston Southern, UT Martin, Morgan State, North Carolina Central and Lafayette to win because it'll knock at least three FCS at-large candidates off of the bubble.
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No. 10 Sacramento State
If Sacramento State defeats UC Davis, it'll be in the FCS playoffs. If the Hornets lose, things get a little more shaky, but an FBS win and a win over a playoff team in Nicholls should be enough for the Hornets to make the postseason.
No. 11 UIW
If UIW defeats Houston Christian to finish with one FCS loss, the Cardinals will be in the playoffs as an at-large. If UIW loses, it'll likely miss the FCS playoffs as a two-FCS loss team without a notable win in sight.
No. 16 Chattanooga
If Chattanooga defeats a top-10 FBS Alabama team, the Mocs aren't just in the playoffs as an at-large, they'll get a seed. In the likely event Chattanooga loses to Alabama, the Mocs will be 7-4 with FCS losses to North Alabama, Western Carolina and Furman while its best win will be over Mercer. Chattanooga's loss to Western Carolina will hurt it in its head-to-head comparison, but a head-to-head win over Mercer could give it a leg up over the Bears if the SoCon only gets three teams in. In contrast, Mercer's eight DI wins to Chattanooga's seven DI wins could be the difference in why the Mocs are at home if the SoCon only gets three teams in.
No. 18 Western Carolina
If Western Carolina defeats a four-win VMI to close the season, it'll reach eight FCS wins and get in the playoffs. A loss to Mercer keeps WCU from being in the "guarantee-ish" category, but the Catamounts will make it in the tournament thanks to the best nonconference win (Eastern Kentucky) of all the SoCon bubble teams and the head-to-head win over Chattanooga.
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No. 24 Mercer
Mercer is on the FCS playoff bubble, but it's already finished its schedule entering Week 12 on a bye. The Bears are 8-3 on the year with two FCS losses, both coming to ranked teams. Mercer's win over Western Carolina stands out as a notable win, which combined with eight FCS wins could be enough to get Mercer an at-large spot.
However, a case can be made against Mercer because of its nonconference schedule that featured North Alabama and Morehead State, two teams without a winning record. A weak nonconference schedule could put the Bears behind Western Carolina in the SoCon pecking order and a head-to-head loss to Chattanooga could leave Mercer on the outside looking in if only three playoff spots are granted to the SoCon.
FCS Bubble
Eastern Illinois
Case for (with win)
If Eastern Illinois closes the season with a win, it'll finish 8-3. The Panthers will have a notable nonconference win over Illinois State, a team also fighting for a spot in the postseason. Eastern Illinois also will have just two FCS losses, one- less than most teams on the bubble. While Eastern Illinois' strength of schedule might not be the best, a win over Illinois State is notable enough to be a difference-maker and get the Panthers into the postseason.
Case against (with win)
Even with an 8-3 record, Eastern Illinois will likely be behind UT Martin (who holds the head-to-head advantage) for an at-large spot. While EIU's win over Illinois State is impressive, it'll only make a difference if Illinois State wins in Week 12 too. A win over another bubble team holds more weight.
Yet, even a head-to-head win over Illinois State might not be enough because of a glaring loss to a Southeast Missouri State team that will have a losing record. Together, Eastern Illinois' resume might not be enough to offset its strength of schedule without some help across the country elsewhere.
Case against (with loss)
A three-FCS-loss Eastern Illinois team is not getting into the playoffs.
Richmond
Case for (with win)
With a win over William & Mary, Richmond will finish the season on a six-game win streak. The Spiders will have 8-3 with two FCS losses. Early season losses to Morgan State and Hampton will look bad, but there's no way the FCS committee keeps out a team that tied for the CAA title.
Case against (with loss)
With a loss, Richmond will finish the season 7-4 with three FCS losses. While seven wins will get Richmond in the conversation for one of the final spots, a lack of quality wins will keep the Spiders out. Neither Rhode Island nor Elon will be ranked at the end of the season, hurting Richmond's resume. Combine a lack of ranked wins with bad losses to Morgan State and Hampton and the Spiders won't have a shot at the playoffs.
UC Davis
Case for (with win)
If UC Davis defeats Sacramento State, the Aggies will hit the pivotal seven-win mark for the FCS playoffs. A UC Davis win gives the Aggies a ranked win that it doesn't currently have. If the Big Sky gets four teams in the playoffs, UC Davis' season-ending head-to-head win could be the difference maker between the Aggies and Sacramento State.
Case against (with win)
Even if UC Davis defeats Sacramento State, it will still only have one notable win. Losses to Eastern Washington and Northern Arizona have gotten worse over time and Sacramento State's resume likely gives the Hornets the edge despite the head-to-head matchup.
Case against (with loss)
If UC Davis loses to Sacramento State, it'll be out of the playoffs.
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FCS Bubble Missouri Valley edition
With two MVFC teams — South Dakota State and South Dakota — already locks for the playoffs, the Missouri Valley might have at least two and at most four at-large spots remaining.
MVFC games that will impact the playoff bubble:
North Dakota State at Northern Iowa
Indiana State at Southern Illinois
Youngstown State at Murray State
Illinois State at North Dakota
No. 9 North Dakota State
Case for (with win)
If North Dakota State defeats Northern Iowa to get into the playoffs, it'll finish 8-3 in the nation's best conference this year. The Bison are in the playoffs.
Case for (with loss)
If North Dakota State loses, Northern Iowa will get an at-large bid. That means teams will be competing for a fourth at-large for the MVFC. North Dakota State's past playoff resume proceeds it, and it'll be hard to ignore if things get close down to the wire. That aside, a head-to-head win over Southern Illinois should put the Salukis behind the Bison, and Youngstown State can't match NDSU's nonconference win over Central Arkansas. If Illinois State beats North Dakota it'll be hard for the committee to think the Redbirds are a better four-FCS-loss team than the Bison.
Case against (with loss)
If North Dakota State loses, Northern Iowa will get an at-large bid. That means teams will be competing for a fourth at-large for the MVFC. If North Dakota wins, the Bison are likely behind the Fighting Hawks for an at-large spot because of head-to-head. That means North Dakota State is competing for a fifth at-large from the MVFC and there may not be five spots to go around this year.
North Dakota State will have to turn to wins over Southern Illinois and Central Arkansas as resume boosters. However, a loss from SIU or UCA dampens NDSU's resume. North Dakota State's notable wins might also be less notable — even with a head-to-head win — than Southern Illinois who beat Austin Peay and an FBS team. The Bison also will have four FCS losses to Youngstown State's three. If a sixth MVFC team is chosen for the playoffs, there could be plenty of better options than North Dakota State after a loss.
The rest of the MVFC teams all are 6-4. They must win to get into the postseason.
No. 17 North Dakota
Case for (with win)
A North Dakota win knocks out another bubble team, Illinois State. The Fighting Hawks will finish the season 7-4 with a win over North Dakota State that may be the best win of any team on the bubble. With seven FCS wins, three FCS losses and a big-time win, North Dakota gets into the playoffs.
Case against (with win)
At 7-4, North Dakota will be firmly on the playoff bubble. However, a 27-0 loss to Northern Iowa could be the reason it misses the playoffs, especially if Northern Iowa defeats North Dakota State, which would in turn lessen UND's strength of schedule. North Dakota's NDSU win will still stand out, but it'll take a hit as the only ranked win on its resume. That'll hurt the Fighting Hawks when compared with teams from other conferences and it'll have UND on the outside looking in.
No. 20 Southern Illinois
Case for (with win)
A 7-4 Southern Illinois will lean on its nonconference win over Austin Peay and FBS win over Northern Illinois to offset its four FCS losses. Few teams on the bubble can match those wins and that will be the reason the Salukis make the postseason.
Case against (with win)
Even at 7-4 with an FBS win, Southern Illinois will be on the bubble. The Salukis have four FCS losses, something that most bubble teams — especially teams outside of the MVFC — don't have. Ultimately, those losses keep the Salukis out of the playoffs.
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Illinois State
Case for (with win)
A win over North Dakota will give Illinois State its first ranked win of the year. If Northern Iowa, Youngstown State and Southern Illinois lose, The Redbirds will be waiting in the wings to nab an at-large bid from the MVFC.
Case against (with win)
Illinois State already has four FCS losses. Even with a win, a four-FCS-loss team will have a hard time making the playoffs in a year when the bubble is so big.
Northern Iowa
Case for (with win)
If Northern Iowa defeats a top-10 North Dakota State team to close the season at 7-4, it's in the playoffs. The Panthers will have wins over almost every MVFC bubble team, already beating Youngstown State, North Dakota and Illinois State. While Southern Illinois could also finish 7-4 and claim a playoff spot ahead of UNI, the Salukis have four FCS losses. The Panthers only have three.
Youngstown State
Case for (with win)
Youngstown State is likely behind Northern Iowa (head-to-head) and North Dakota State (better record) in the FCS playoff at-large order entering Week 12. If Northern Iowa defeats North Dakota State, then that's two teams in front of the Penguins in the at-large race. Among the Remaining MVFC teams in contention for a fifth at-large, Youngstown holds a head-to-head win over Southern Illinois and Illinois State. If North Dakota wins, the Penguins likely are behind the Fighting Hawks, but for YSU's sake, it'll have to hope that doesn't happen.
If North Dakota State wins, Youngstown State won't have to have to worry about the Panthers. That means teams will be battling for the fourth at-large spot from the MVFC. With head-to-head wins over Southern Illinois and Illinois State, YSU's probability of making the playoffs increases. Even if North Dakota defeats Illinois State, it's more likely Youngstown State gets in as a fifth MVFC at-large than a sixth at-large.
Case against (with win)
Youngstown State is likely behind Northern Iowa (head-to-head) and North Dakota State (better record) in the FCS playoff at-large order entering Week 12. If Northern Iowa defeats North Dakota State, then that's two teams in front of the Penguins in the at-large race.
If North Dakota State wins, Youngstown State won't have to have to worry about the Panthers. Yet, a North Dakota win over Illinois State still knocks Youngstown State down a spot in the at-large process. Furthermore, Southern Illinois' resume is good enough that if things get close between the Salukis and Penguins, SIU's FBS win could be the difference maker that keeps YSU out.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 16, 2023 21:26:31 GMT -5
I knew I liked that Becton guy...somewhat generous analysis but still only 2 FCS losses to 2 ranked teams in the Coaches Poll.
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 16, 2023 22:48:08 GMT -5
Does anyone think/believe that the Committee gives any consideration to geography? If HC is on the bubble with a fifth team from a midwestern conference or a third team from a southeastern or western conference, would engaging a bit more of the northeast population base be a part of the discussion?
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 17, 2023 8:32:42 GMT -5
Here's some food for thought with your morning java: If we win tomorrow, is it better for us to have Harvard beat Yale, meaning we will have two now-ranked losses (Coach's Poll) or is it better for Yale to win (they are not ranked or RV in either) and hope they sneak into the RV or top 25 for a ranked win over the Ivy champion?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 17, 2023 8:41:26 GMT -5
Yale winning. No doubt. We need a marquee win and Ivy League title would help. Harvard at 8-2 and a share of the Ivy title (with Yale) is still a quality loss. HC could say it split with the Ivy champs.
See my breakdown in the Bracketology thread for all games to monitor and who to root for.
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