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Post by hc1996 on Nov 21, 2023 10:30:06 GMT -5
Word on the street is that BC is looking at Dobbs. They’d be crazy not too. DePalma graduates. I think they’ll have to contend with some Big 10 schools however. I too would kind of love to see this. BC sucks, but Dobbs is awesome!!
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 21, 2023 10:38:24 GMT -5
I'm sure they are. They took Avery after her stint at Wisconsin. Being 40 miles down the road and having seen Jake, they would be foolish not to offer him a spot . . . . but they may be competing with the NFL. While I told Eric to promise me he wouldn't go to BC, I'm actually OK with it and with Jake too because we aren't going to be playing them during their time there and, (stirring this subject up again), I was brought up by a Holy Cross alum who was taught when you aren't playing BC, Holy Cross folks should be rooting for BC.
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Post by cross99 on Nov 21, 2023 10:54:52 GMT -5
Unless there is $3 m+ on the table I just don't see him leaving for Syracuse. It is no longer a good job like it was in the 60s The next move for Coach needs to be the right school and program so he can take another step in five years. As somebody posted earlier, Syracuse is a place where coaching careers end. With all due respect - the same could be said about Holy Cross before Chesney came here. No one was beating down the doors to take the HCHC job, Chesney is a special person who (I believe) relishes a rebuild opportunity.
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Post by alum on Nov 21, 2023 11:18:38 GMT -5
Responding to multiple posts above:
BC has not shied away from trying to move up at every chance he has had up until now. It is possible his goals and aspirations have changed personally or professionally, but money talks and as hcpride notes, the P5 money is insanely more than any job in FCS. BC was making $243,000 plus benefits in the FYE 6/30/22. We know he signed a big extension in late 2022. Even if he went up by $100,000, the P5 jobs he might be considered for pay five to seven times that amount. Right now, he earns mid range doctor/lawyer money. If he takes one of those jobs, he gets several guaranteed years of very successful CEO of major regional corporation money. He can ensure his family's financial security for a couple of generations if he wishes.
I would be surprised if Cuse offers him the job, but I am sure he interviews well so, who knows.
One last thought: Have his kids reached high school age? That can become a factor for some people when they have a chance to change jobs. One more last thought: He is often referred to as a young coach. He is not really that young any more.
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Post by purplenurple on Nov 21, 2023 11:18:48 GMT -5
Lasting memory of ashen Syracuse fans exiting the Centrum and selling or giving their game two tickets to eager UVM fans for their friends. Was at the game my freshman year at the Cross. Place exploded.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 21, 2023 11:26:34 GMT -5
I agree with his rebuilding skills, but that phase of his career where a complete overhaul is required should be over. At Syracuse or other FBS programs, it will be what you do for me today matters and not what this look like in four years. They have a sense of urgency and want immediate success. At Syracuse, he needs to recruit different types of kids and deal seriously with the NIL, so I remain in the camp that he does not take the Syracuse job if offered.
At HC, we will deal with the NIL and be creative to compete with other FCS programs.
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Post by alum on Nov 21, 2023 11:33:35 GMT -5
I agree with his rebuilding skills, but that phase of his career where a complete overhaul is required should be over. At Syracuse or other FBS programs, it will be what you do for me today matters and not what this look like in four years. They have a sense of urgency and want immediate success. At Syracuse, he needs to recruit different types of kids and deal seriously with the NIL, so I remain in the camp that he does not take the Syracuse job if offered. At HC, we will deal with the NIL and be creative to compete with other FCS programs. How?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 21, 2023 11:36:12 GMT -5
The fact that Mrs Chesney has a career of her own is a plus for staying in Worcester. Some companies will try to find a transfer job when the employee's spouse gets a job in a new city--don't know if that is a factor with the Chesneys.
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Post by cross99 on Nov 21, 2023 11:43:00 GMT -5
The fact that Mrs Chesney has a career of her own is a plus for staying in Worcester. Some companies will try to find a transfer job when the employee's spouse gets a job in a new city--don't know if that is a factor with the Chesneys. Do you have intimate knowledge of Mrs. Chesney's occupation? Where she works? Her career aspirations? I have a feeling Mrs. Chesney knows what she signed up for when she married a coach. I have no inside information, but I think it's a pretty good guess.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 21, 2023 11:45:02 GMT -5
The fact that Mrs Chesney has a career of her own is a plus for staying in Worcester. Some companies will try to find a transfer job when the employee's spouse gets a job in a new city--don't know if that is a factor with the Chesneys. Do you have intimate knowledge of Mrs. Chesney's occupation? Where she works? Her career aspirations? I have a feeling Mrs. Chesney knows what she signed up for when she married a coach. I have no inside information, but I think it's a pretty good guess. I have no inside knowledge about Mrs Chesney and I don't want to gain that knowledge. She deserves her privacy.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 21, 2023 12:06:38 GMT -5
I agree with his rebuilding skills, but that phase of his career where a complete overhaul is required should be over. At Syracuse or other FBS programs, it will be what you do for me today matters and not what this look like in four years. They have a sense of urgency and want immediate success. At Syracuse, he needs to recruit different types of kids and deal seriously with the NIL, so I remain in the camp that he does not take the Syracuse job if offered. At HC, we will deal with the NIL and be creative to compete with other FCS programs. How? From conversations with alums and supporters of PL football (Fordham, Lehigh, Colgate, and Lafayette) they are in the process of establishing NIL options. I would bet HC and Georgetown are just as active in exploring possible options.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 21, 2023 12:09:56 GMT -5
Can you provide a high level summary of how NIL will work at HC?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 21, 2023 12:13:26 GMT -5
I kinda hope Chesney is eating up this chatter and just sitting back letting it percolate. Then he can go to Kit Hughes and say, I wanna stay at HC forever....let's make a deal. He's kinda earned it. I'm not disagreeing with anyone saying Coach deserves a raise or a retention bonus, but HC just extended him less than a year ago at a supposed nice raise and terms both sides were very happy with. I might have enjoyed this season more than any other Chesney Season because of the high quality schedule, the continued increase in knowledge of FCS football gathered from this board and links people have posted (thank you) but that doesn't mean HC's available resources have materially changed so I'm hoping for the best but will wish Coach Chesney the best if he moves up. He completely turned around HC football (and put a shine on the whole athletic department) in six seasons. We even have a potentially great passing quarterback and great recruiting classes in the cupboard, so it is far from bare.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 21, 2023 12:22:53 GMT -5
Can you provide a high level summary of how NIL will work at HC? Not quite yet. In short order though.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2023 12:29:24 GMT -5
Go here for the report 7/1/2021 to 6/30/2022 and scroll to page 47: beta.candid.org/profile/6822118You might be interested: Brett Nelson: base salary, $339,817; bonus, $6,800 (because he won a game maybe?!); total comp $395,225 Marcus Blossom: base salary, $179,050; bonus, $9,800; total comp, $229,597 Bob Chesney: base salary, $185,961; bonus, $41,100; total comp, $282,909 You can see Vince Rougeau's salary and comp but likely a partial year and highest compensated was the Finance/Treasurer VP. Carmody made more and from memory all our basketball coaches made more than football coaches, close to double. Would anyone in their right mind pay Nelson more than Chesney? Now,, a large caveat: I believe this does not reflect BC's renegotiated contract but I'd be willing to bet he still doesn't make what Nelson made. And DP likely comes in making more than BC but that sits a lot better with me. Long answer to tell you that we are not and will never be close to paying BC $3 Million. What do Murphy and Reno get? I do know that things have changed since Murphy came to Harvard; when he did he was head coach at Cincinnati and the Harvard job paid better.
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Post by alum on Nov 21, 2023 12:45:16 GMT -5
Go here for the report 7/1/2021 to 6/30/2022 and scroll to page 47: beta.candid.org/profile/6822118You might be interested: Brett Nelson: base salary, $339,817; bonus, $6,800 (because he won a game maybe?!); total comp $395,225 Marcus Blossom: base salary, $179,050; bonus, $9,800; total comp, $229,597 Bob Chesney: base salary, $185,961; bonus, $41,100; total comp, $282,909 You can see Vince Rougeau's salary and comp but likely a partial year and highest compensated was the Finance/Treasurer VP. Carmody made more and from memory all our basketball coaches made more than football coaches, close to double. Would anyone in their right mind pay Nelson more than Chesney? Now,, a large caveat: I believe this does not reflect BC's renegotiated contract but I'd be willing to bet he still doesn't make what Nelson made. And DP likely comes in making more than BC but that sits a lot better with me. Long answer to tell you that we are not and will never be close to paying BC $3 Million. What do Murphy and Reno get? I do know that things have changed since Murphy came to Harvard; when he did he was head coach at Cincinnati and the Harvard job paid better. Neither Murphy nor Reno are among the top earners at their non public institutions so their salaries are not readily available. A couple of points about the HC 990 for FYE 6/22: 1. Carmody did not work during the fiscal year. The payment he received was presumably severance. 2. VR was at HC for the entire fiscal year. His pay was shockingly low. 3. As sader70 notes, HC pays basketball coaches more than football coaches. I think that is true throughout FCS. 4. As is noted, Chesney was on his original contract. He was coming from D2 and even that money was probably a pretty good raise.
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 21, 2023 13:03:52 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 21, 2023 13:15:09 GMT -5
Not connecting A summary, please
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 21, 2023 13:31:35 GMT -5
Not connecting A summary, please Copy and paste the entire address. For some reason, it cut off. enews.syracuse.com/data/41748/reader/reader.html?#!preferred/0/package/41748/pub/69897/page/50/content/2121890
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Post by hchoops on Nov 21, 2023 14:27:43 GMT -5
Could you please summarize it ? .
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Post by beaven302 on Nov 21, 2023 14:39:53 GMT -5
I rember those letters — big, ugly, and very orange. As for certain Syracuse fans, what world are they living in? Their team’s glory days were years ago and Big Ten teams likely schedule it to pick up a win.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 21, 2023 15:04:26 GMT -5
Been to Syracuse twice in my life and had great experiences both times. I also went to college in Worcester so snow doesn't bother me.
1) Syracuse-HC basketball game in '14 2) Part of a Pittsburgh-Cleveland-Niagara Falls-Syracuse road trip. The 'Cuse stop was just for dinner at Empire Brewpub.
Didn't go to the football game in '19 since my wife was 3 weeks away from giving birth. We did get to Annapolis though!
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Post by bigfan on Nov 21, 2023 15:16:38 GMT -5
Don't we play Syracuse next year?
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 21, 2023 15:17:48 GMT -5
Don't we play Syracuse next year? We do. And Pesansky and Fuller are gonna light them up.
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Post by drjack on Nov 21, 2023 15:42:16 GMT -5
Idk why, but that just made me want Dobbs to go to BC.
I want to see him play versus Matt in a game now.
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