|
Post by hc89 on Nov 21, 2023 16:14:18 GMT -5
Can you provide a high level summary of how NIL will work at HC? Not quite yet. In short order though. How about a low level summary?!
|
|
|
Post by cruskater31 on Nov 21, 2023 19:38:00 GMT -5
Idk why, but that just made me want Dobbs to go to BC. I want to see him play versus Matt in a game now. BC doesn't have LSU on the schedule next year đ
|
|
|
Post by spenser on Nov 22, 2023 9:53:49 GMT -5
In Jen Tollandâs transfer portal article today she asked Coach Chesney about the Syracuse rumors. He said that his future is still at Holy Cross and that he loves his job. I leave it to someone who isnât from the Class of 72 to post the article.
|
|
|
Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 10:00:46 GMT -5
"Still". Ugh. So many ways to interpret that.....
|
|
|
Post by sader1970 on Nov 22, 2023 10:01:54 GMT -5
Has been previously posted, I believe but here it is again:
Caveat: "it's at HC still" might very well mean at that moment, not what happens days or weeks down the road. As for 5-6 seniors coming back, that's what he told me though not specific numbers.
|
|
|
Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 10:21:09 GMT -5
5-6 seniors returning out of 26. I'd expect more.
|
|
|
Post by sader1970 on Nov 22, 2023 10:38:25 GMT -5
Quality, not quantity, â96! đ
And, as posted previously, some just arenât allowed back and HAVE to go elsewhere.
|
|
|
Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 10:43:53 GMT -5
Quality, not quantity, â96! đ And, as posted previously, some just arenât allowed back and HAVE to go elsewhere. Good point!! Looking forward to next season already.
|
|
|
Post by hcpride on Nov 22, 2023 10:49:25 GMT -5
5-6 seniors returning out of 26. I'd expect more. Wait till next year and there are no more Covid years. Could be 0. Although I don't expect the Patriot League to be that self-defeating.
|
|
|
Post by hc1998 on Nov 22, 2023 10:50:43 GMT -5
5-6 seniors returning out of 26. I'd expect more. Can you put aside your HC fandom and objectively tell me why? I get that some guys, to the extent permitted by the NCAA and HC may spread out their classes a bit to take advantage of a 5th year (or, realistically, a 9th semester). But why would anybody at an exclusively undergraduate institution, spend a 5th year there when they could either a. start a post grad degree elsewhere, b. obtain post-college employment, or c. explore better NIL opportunities? I get it, to a degree, for any players from last year that chose to return...they were so close, with another year under their belt, a championship was not out of the question, but I do not know if the expectations for next year are quite as high (and I don't say that disparaging the team or its talent, but this year's expectations were off the charts, for good reason). I can see the fifth year making sense for a few different players in a few different hypotheticals...but to across the board expect so many of our seniors to return, I just don't get it. Maybe I am missing something.
|
|
|
Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 11:11:04 GMT -5
I don't know, I'm just looking at it through the lens of a 50 year old who realizes life is short, but that first year out of college really doesn't define much about what the next 30 will look like. Sure, a big money NIL deal sounds great, but how many will really get that option each year? Maybe 1 if any.
|
|
|
Post by drjack on Nov 22, 2023 11:22:32 GMT -5
Listening now
|
|
|
Post by sader1970 on Nov 22, 2023 11:25:42 GMT -5
My thinking is for the vast majority of players, moving on to grad school or careers after playing for 4 years would be the norm. There would have to be exceptional circumstances to remain a 5th year especially if you can get a free grad year by playing for another school.
We've been very fortunate that Coach Chesney has created an environment where many of our players have such a love for not only Holy Cross but especially their teammates and the coaching staff that they've been willing to potentially give up that free grad school opportunity for the chance to play for a championship team again and possibly a national championship team. We cannot and should not take that for granted.
This football program is special.
|
|
|
Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2023 11:30:07 GMT -5
Eleven fifth year players on this year's 7-4 squad.
|
|
|
Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 11:33:40 GMT -5
Eleven fifth year players on this year's 7-4 squad. What would our record have been without those fifth year players??
|
|
|
Post by drjack on Nov 22, 2023 11:34:14 GMT -5
First one they talk about is Chesney and how the fans are really behind it and hes an emerging candidate.
Another person who doesn't realize we dont offer grad programs, so they used the portal entries as a sign that Chesney is leaving. But doing research is probably too much to ask for a Cuse grad
|
|
|
Post by nhteamer on Nov 22, 2023 11:38:25 GMT -5
Great post Jack: thanks
|
|
|
Post by hc1998 on Nov 22, 2023 11:50:39 GMT -5
I don't know, I'm just looking at it through the lens of a 50 year old who realizes life is short, but that first year out of college really doesn't define much about what the next 30 will look like. Sure, a big money NIL deal sounds great, but how many will really get that option each year? Maybe 1 if any. There's more to NIL than "a big money" deal and there is also the potential for a number of smaller deals. Our former hoops player, Jacob Grandison, got out ahead of this while at Illinois and I believe he did pretty well for himself, despite not being a huge star (although admittedly a hoops player is more marketable than a football player generally, just because they are more visible). I remember seeing tweets promoting his t-shirts, and then other Illini fans tweeting it out to hopefully get more money in his pocket. I'm not talking about any of our guys becoming Shadeur Sanders or Livvy Dunne in terms of NIL deals, but in the right situation I suspect even just contributing players at bigger programs can pocket between $25k-75k easily, and over six figures with more effort. Here is something Duke had going, that Grandison actually was first on board with while at Illinois: duke.nil.store/pages/how-this-store-works
|
|
|
Post by hcpride on Nov 22, 2023 12:24:56 GMT -5
First one they talk about is Chesney and how the fans are really behind it and hes an emerging candidate. Another person who doesn't realize we dont offer grad programs, so they used the portal entries as a sign that Chesney is leaving. But doing research is probably too much to ask for a Cuse grad Thanks for posting the clip. The special teams comment was indeed telling from the Syracuse AD because we know that BC does not have a strong OC/DC resume BUT heâs had some terrific special teamers and last year we were ridiculous with the blocked punts. The host and guest picked up on that and seem to think heâs the front runner (for other reasons too). I thought their observation that Syracuse had to be a developmental (v portal) team to find success was on pointâŚand certainly up Chesneyâs alley BTW. .
|
|
|
Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 22, 2023 13:16:18 GMT -5
"Still". Ugh. So many ways to interpret that..... I'm interpreting the same way you are, I think (not good).
|
|
|
Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 13:20:23 GMT -5
Pretty sure that if we beat BC this year, Hafley would be out. Also, pretty safe to say that if that happened, BC would go after Chesney.....and I'd have to think he'd take the job. Wouldn't have to move, etc. The only positive out of that scenario is maybe Chesney would be a sport and bring the Eagles back to Fitton Field. Maybe I'm crazy but I think he'd do it.
|
|
|
Post by Chu Chu on Nov 22, 2023 13:28:09 GMT -5
The discussion about Chesney starts at 9:30. he is the first guy they bring up.
|
|
|
Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 22, 2023 13:33:34 GMT -5
Pretty sure that if we beat BC this year, Hafley would be out. Also, pretty safe to say that if that happened, BC would go after Chesney.....and I'd have to think he'd take the job. Wouldn't have to move, etc. The only positive out of that scenario is maybe Chesney would be a sport and bring the Eagles back to Fitton Field. Maybe I'm crazy but I think he'd do it. Unless...BC still found a way to go bowling with the HC loss. Which means it would be coming down to the Miami game. I think I heard Hafley has multiple years still remaining so chances are the great reckoning was/is going to be after next season regardless.
|
|
|
Post by nhteamer on Nov 22, 2023 13:57:27 GMT -5
They are bowl eligible now
|
|
|
Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 14:06:03 GMT -5
Pretty sure that if we beat BC this year, Hafley would be out. Also, pretty safe to say that if that happened, BC would go after Chesney.....and I'd have to think he'd take the job. Wouldn't have to move, etc. The only positive out of that scenario is maybe Chesney would be a sport and bring the Eagles back to Fitton Field. Maybe I'm crazy but I think he'd do it. Unless...BC still found a way to go bowling with the HC loss. Which means it would be coming down to the Miami game. I think I heard Hafley has multiple years still remaining so chances are the great reckoning was/is going to be after next season regardless. I'm thinking that if they lost to us they wouldn't be able to recover. As special a win for us that would have been, it would have been an equally debilitating loss to them. The local media would have eaten it up and Hafley would have been toast as I'm assuming the team would have given up on the rest of the season.
|
|