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Post by nhteamer on Nov 22, 2023 14:09:07 GMT -5
Unless...BC still found a way to go bowling with the HC loss. Which means it would be coming down to the Miami game. I think I heard Hafley has multiple years still remaining so chances are the great reckoning was/is going to be after next season regardless. I'm thinking that if they lost to us they wouldn't be able to recover. As special a win for us that would have been, it would have been an equally debilitating loss to them. The local media would have eaten it up and Hafley would have been toast as I'm assuming the team would have given up on the rest of the season. ........................that's a damn shame then
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 22, 2023 14:10:36 GMT -5
They are bowl eligible now If they'd lost to HC, they'd need 1 more.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 22, 2023 14:53:45 GMT -5
Eleven fifth year players on this year's 7-4 squad. What would our record have been without those fifth year players?? Everybody had them; or more of them; because of 2020. Moot point.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 15:00:19 GMT -5
What would our record have been without those fifth year players?? Everybody had them; or more of them; because of 2020. Moot point. I think all of our opponents outside of the PL and IL have had them prior to COVID. We did not. Going forward, many of our opponents will have them. We will not.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 22, 2023 15:02:46 GMT -5
What would our record have been without those fifth year players?? Everybody had them; or more of them; because of 2020. Moot point. The idea is that we got better with 5th years (our national competition always had them). Sort of leveled the playing field.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 15:04:08 GMT -5
Everybody had them; or more of them; because of 2020. Moot point. The idea is that we got better with 5th years (our national competition always had them). Sort of leveled the playing field. Exactly. HC better be pushing for redshirting in the PL and the 9th semester.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 22, 2023 15:06:13 GMT -5
I’m guessing Syracuse would like to announce the new coach very shortly after their Wake Forest game Saturday. Which might explain the somewhat unusual timing of the Babers firing.
(Of course, a win v Wake Forest might change that timing a bit.)
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 22, 2023 15:16:35 GMT -5
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 22, 2023 15:40:29 GMT -5
Saw that too Midwest. Thanks for posting.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 22, 2023 15:43:06 GMT -5
I was rejected by SyracuseFan.com.......my reputation precedes me apparently
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Post by hchoops on Nov 22, 2023 16:24:23 GMT -5
I was rejected by SyracuseFan.com.......my reputation precedes me apparently You are slightly behind sader1970
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2023 18:28:26 GMT -5
Eleven fifth year players on this year's 7-4 squad. What would our record have been without those fifth year players?? I don't know. I am for non-medical redshirts and think the fifth year option is a valuable tool, but I realize if there are roster limits then eleven fifth year players eliminate eleven slots for year one through four players so it's a delicate balance to be managed by the coaches. The same with scholarships. Sixty full scholarship equivalents divided by four classes is an average of fifteen per class. Sixty divided by five classes is an average of twelve per class, so fifth year players like Oliver, Dobbs, Purdy have really contributed to this program, but the resource is not all benefit with no balancing challenges. I like the Sluka fifth year in a prep school option for undergraduate only schools like HC. A possible risk of losing your recruit but no roster or scholarship dilution and the player has had five additional years of coaching and development after H.S. when he plays senior year.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 23, 2023 22:15:38 GMT -5
I feel like that is a very weird hire if true. I think of him as a SEC coach and nothing to do with the Northeast.
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Post by td128 on Nov 24, 2023 6:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by football44 on Nov 24, 2023 7:09:59 GMT -5
Thanks Larry for sharing this opinion piece. What a fantastic person and mother. Here explanation of what has happened at Syracuse is more reason why Coach Chesney should just settle in at Holy Cross. The days of stability in college football are over. If you remember her son chose Syracuse over Holy Cross a couple of years ago. It’s great to see a parent understanding that football is really turning into an old term from days ago “meat on the hoof”.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 24, 2023 7:26:03 GMT -5
I do like her suggestion about the NIL cap and the year idle after transfer. Those would be great deterrents. I do understand that these kids should have options and I understand why the transfer rules were changed, but in the end I think the new rules will cause more harm than good.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 24, 2023 8:33:35 GMT -5
It is interesting that all agree Syracuse has some significant built-in limitations (geography, portal, recruitng, NIL) that preclude matching upper- tier ACC rosters.
Given that, the current scheduling of a soft OOC is smart. Competing with the lower tier of the ACC is reasonable. And pulling off an upset against an upper tier ACC will be a rarity.
At this point I think Syracuse would be very satisfied with 8-4 type records (with very slightly worse and very slightly better from year to year). The question for potential head coach applicants to consider is whether that looks doable given the limitations.
Even the crazies in Syracuse aren't talking FBS playoffs or ACC championships.
Next year' schedule: Ohio Bobcats, at Army Black Knights, Holy Cross Crusaders, vs UConn Huskies, at Boston College Eagles, at California Golden Bears, at NC State Wolfpack, at Pitt Panthers, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, Miami (FL) Hurricane, Stanford Cardinal,Virginia Tech Hokies
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 24, 2023 9:19:13 GMT -5
Look where chasing big money got Cuse and BC. They are exactly where the deserve to be now. 😀
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Post by timholycross on Nov 24, 2023 9:43:42 GMT -5
It is interesting that all agree Syracuse has some significant built-in limitations (geography, portal, recruitng, NIL) that preclude matching upper- tier ACC rosters. Given that, the current scheduling of a soft OOC is smart. Competing with the lower tier of the ACC is reasonable. And pulling off an upset against an upper tier ACC will be a rarity. At this point I think Syracuse would be very satisfied with 8-4 type records (with very slightly worse and very slightly better from year to year). The question for potential head coach applicants to consider is whether that looks doable given the limitations. Even the crazies in Syracuse aren't talking FBS playoffs or ACC championships. Next year' schedule: Ohio Bobcats, at Army Black Knights, Holy Cross Crusaders, vs UConn Huskies, at Boston College Eagles, at California Golden Bears, at NC State Wolfpack, at Pitt Panthers, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, Miami (FL) Hurricane, Stanford Cardinal,Virginia Tech Hokies Based on how those opponents have done in 2023, that's a pretty soft schedule. Only NC State in the ACC doing reasonably well. No, UNC, Clemson, Louisville, Florida State. With the right hire and the transfer portal, a turnaround, at least a temporary one, looks doable.
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Post by td128 on Nov 24, 2023 13:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by ts1970 on Nov 24, 2023 13:39:47 GMT -5
Miami 28 @ BC 7 (half time)
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 24, 2023 13:49:29 GMT -5
Syracuse you could start 6-0 as a coach next year. Very soft schedule
BC - OOC - SMU, Missouri, Mich State, Western KY
BC could go 2-10 or 3-9 next year. Hafley has 3 years left on his contract. Make Hafley a sacrificial lamb for 2024. Cuz it’s not a great look to have first year coach go 2-10 or 3-9 coming off a 6-6 season.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 24, 2023 13:56:07 GMT -5
Limited upside at Syracuse - certainly lots of financial / salary incentives for Chesney but he should exercise due diligence in seeing how they plan to compete at the top of the ACC. Would indeed be fascinating if there’s at part of any deal that includes Sluka to join him as the qb in 2024
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Post by hcpride on Nov 24, 2023 14:23:58 GMT -5
Miami 28 @ BC 7 (half time) FWIW Dan Mullen is one of the commentators at the game for ABC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 24, 2023 15:40:55 GMT -5
Limited upside at Syracuse - certainly lots of financial / salary incentives for Chesney but he should exercise due diligence in seeing how they plan to compete at the top of the ACC. Would indeed be fascinating if there’s at part of any deal that includes Sluka to join him as the qb in 2024 Upside might be all relative. If Holy Cross is a stepping stone to a Syracuse level job, then maybe Syracuse is a stepping stone to a big time P5 job. You win eight and nine games a few years in a row and make an appearance in an ACC championship game, and all of a sudden your name might get mentioned for the real big time jobs.
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