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Post by sader1970 on Jan 20, 2017 8:52:44 GMT -5
Yep, I think this is a prime example of Carmody's dumb luck as a coach. Second only to winning 5 consecutive road games to win the PL championship and the First 4 game in the NCAAs. He is one lucky guy! When I see him next time, I will ask him for some numbers to play in Powerball.
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Post by possum on Jan 20, 2017 10:16:29 GMT -5
Hoops says starters got us back in game not true down 15 with about 16 minutes left in game got baskets from Floyd and two from Benzan then CLS scored next 13 points, lineup during that time Floyd Thompson Benzan champion and CLS certainly a lineup that's been utilized numerous times during the season. To that point CLS had played zero minutes in game desperation or trying to shake things up you make the call.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 20, 2017 11:11:01 GMT -5
1-I consider PB a starter(change my "starters" to regulars. Happy now ?) due to the minutes he plays. In case you had not noticed, he has been scoring more lately, esp when we see man defenses, as we did vs Army 2-Floyd played more due to the pace of the game and MH not. More subs were needed. If you had watched, you may have noticed also. 3-In the last few games(again you may not know), CLS has subbed in during the second half, despite not playing in the first half, instead of MZ. that happened then. If desperation fits your sight unseen agenda, so be it. do you still believe that CLS will not be a main contributor the next four years ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 20, 2017 11:15:02 GMT -5
For all who believe next year will be a big struggle, I give you this:
Freshmen and Sophomores: 55 points on 16-21 2PT FG, 5-9 3PT FG, 8-10 FT in 97 minutes.
Seniors: 30 points on 5-11 2PT FG, 5-13 3PT FG, 5-6 FT in 103 minutes.
Champion, Husek, and Ant have contributed very little over the course of the first seven PL games.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 20, 2017 11:17:04 GMT -5
For all who believe next year will be a big struggle, I give you this: Freshmen and Sophomores: 55 points on 16-21 2PT FG, 5-9 3PT FG, 8-10 FT in 97 minutes. Seniors: 30 points on 5-11 2PT FG, 5-13 3PT FG, 5-6 FT in 103 minutes. Champion, Husek, and Ant have contributed very little over the course of the first seven PL games. Please excuse Champion due to injury.
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Post by lou on Jan 20, 2017 11:25:55 GMT -5
If you listen to the coach and the players, they are not concerned about individual stats or who scored the points. Malachi said he was proud of Clayton, terrific! Carmody is constantly encouraging Anthony, he knows he needs AT in the lineup. I don't like reading that these sophomores scored more than these seniors. Our guys are smarter, they know they will only win as a team, the team on the floor this year.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 20, 2017 11:28:44 GMT -5
For all who believe next year will be a big struggle, I give you this: Freshmen and Sophomores: 55 points on 16-21 2PT FG, 5-9 3PT FG, 8-10 FT in 97 minutes. Seniors: 30 points on 5-11 2PT FG, 5-13 3PT FG, 5-6 FT in 103 minutes. Champion, Husek, and Ant have contributed very little over the course of the first seven PL games. Please excuse Champion due to injury. agreed. champion is a tough son of a gun. i hope we get him back to health as we are a much stronger team with him playing at or around full strength. i would like to see husek get back to his ooc form, where he was playing very well. as for ant, i'm fine with him just not shooting (especially not his patented drive and get denied, which are turnover equivalents) and bringing defensive energy to the top of the zone if carmody insists on playing him 30+ minutes a game.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 20, 2017 11:29:08 GMT -5
For all who believe next year will be a big struggle, I give you this: Freshmen and Sophomores: 55 points on 16-21 2PT FG, 5-9 3PT FG, 8-10 FT in 97 minutes. Seniors: 30 points on 5-11 2PT FG, 5-13 3PT FG, 5-6 FT in 103 minutes. Champion, Husek, and Ant have contributed very little over the course of the first seven PL games. Please excuse Champion due to injury. In what game did he get hurt? Regardless, he's had an incredibly streaky senior season. In seven PL games, 9-35 3PT (25.7%), 13-37 2PT FG (35.1%), 12-21 FT (57.1%). Charles, Benzan, and Alexander have been carrying us.
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Post by rickii on Jan 20, 2017 11:43:14 GMT -5
Champion has been dealing with the foot issues at least since the Sacred Heart game Wait....I thought he had a bum shoulder ? What foot issues is he dealing with that allows him to run around on a basketball court ?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 20, 2017 11:44:28 GMT -5
Please excuse Champion due to injury. In what game did he get hurt? Regardless, he's had an incredibly streaky senior season. In seven PL games, 9-35 3PT (25.7%), 13-37 2PT FG (35.1%), 12-21 FT (57.1%). Charles, Benzan, and Alexander have been carrying us. "Win Shares" is a pretty accurate tool for quantifying how much individual players contribute to a team's wins. Charles (2.5), Alexander (2.1), and Benzan (1.5) lead the team by this measure and have combined for 6.1 win shares in Holy Cross' ten wins.
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Post by possum on Jan 20, 2017 11:45:32 GMT -5
The regulars as you call them scored 4 points during the comeback so I would say CLS got us back in the game. Take a victory lap if you want for CLS play in one game need to see a lot more before determining if he will be a major contributor going forward.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 20, 2017 12:46:53 GMT -5
Champion has been dealing with the foot issues at least since the Sacred Heart game Wait....I thought he had a bum shoulder ? What foot issues is he dealing with that allows him to run around on a basketball court ? Bone spur. As someone whose athletes have had this issue at times, I know it is possible to run, but you need to run through pain.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 20, 2017 13:00:18 GMT -5
And he has hurt his shoulder a couple of times as well.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 20, 2017 13:13:22 GMT -5
Wait....I thought he had a bum shoulder ? What foot issues is he dealing with that allows him to run around on a basketball court ? Bone spur. As someone whose athletes have had this issue at times, I know it is possible to run, but you need to run through pain. hard cuts and landing from any kind of jumping (shots, rebounds, defending a shot, etc.) are especially painful.
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Post by cmo on Jan 20, 2017 13:15:53 GMT -5
would rest help?
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Post by dadominate on Jan 20, 2017 13:46:04 GMT -5
depending upon the severity, and whether surgery is ultimately necessary, rest usually helps more than anything. but that kind of rest is usually greater than a month away from basketball and thus not something i think he will choose. these things are stubborn and easily exacerbated. our best hope is that a cortisone shot can cut down on the inflammation and pain that he is likely experiencing.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 20, 2017 14:03:16 GMT -5
Lots of back and forth here about next year. At this point, this year is all that concerns me! Nonetheless, I agree that next year will be will be difficult. No seniors on the team and they will miss their leadership. MA probably the biggest to replace; he does a lot well on the court. I expect the team to get better as the year goes on, but replacing three starters with underclassmen at this level is an undertaking. Charles, Benzan and even Floyd , are a good nucleus to build around, but a lot of questions remain after them. Next year, we will hear a lot of "this team is one year away!"
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 20, 2017 17:20:58 GMT -5
In what game did he get hurt? Regardless, he's had an incredibly streaky senior season. In seven PL games, 9-35 3PT (25.7%), 13-37 2PT FG (35.1%), 12-21 FT (57.1%). Charles, Benzan, and Alexander have been carrying us. "Win Shares" is a pretty accurate tool for quantifying how much individual players contribute to a team's wins. Charles (2.5), Alexander (2.1), and Benzan (1.5) lead the team by this measure and have combined for 6.1 win shares in Holy Cross' ten wins. Nice to know that two of our three best players are returning next season.
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Post by purple71 on Jan 20, 2017 18:22:26 GMT -5
Although I did not see the game, I enjoy all the banter back and forth . Some of the unasked questions that I would like to pose: Which team was more athletic? How did the CLS epiphany occur? Was CLS more athletic than the others at that position? As to the PO, we seemed to have abandoned it in our climb back. Was it because our comeback players were faster than their Army counterparts? I verily believe that Jimmies and Joes are more important than Xs and Os but don't know who coined that phrase. Anyone help on that? What good coaching does is allow for good preparation for the initial 5 minutes of the game. What good coaching then must do is adapt if the game plan isn't working for whatever reason. I have seen too many games this season, not necessarily HC games, where the ball movement was unproductive resulting in an attempt to get a good shot in the last 6 or 7 seconds of the shot clock. If that occurs in a game, a change in offensive sets must be made. However, the coach doesn't play the game and he's not responsible if Jimmy or Joe have an off night shooting unless he steadfastly adheres to the old " you dance with the one that brung ya" philosophy beyond the point of no return.
All of that being said, to come back after being down 17 in the second half on the road is a remarkable achievement, even if against the Little Sisters of the Poor.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 20, 2017 18:43:59 GMT -5
Some of the unasked questions that I would like to pose: Which team was more athletic? Holy Cross How did the CLS epiphany occur? Motivated by need and when he hit his first shots, it was fun speed ahead. Remember, this is a team that wants to feed the hot hand Was CLS more athletic than the others at that position? From what I have seen, not substantially. As to the PO, we seemed to have abandoned it in our climb back. Was it because our comeback players were faster than their Army counterparts? Not really faster, just "quicker." What good coaching does is allow for good preparation for the initial 5 minutes of the game. What good coaching then must do is adapt if the game plan isn't working for whatever reason. I have seen too many games this season, not necessarily HC games, where the ball movement was unproductive resulting in an attempt to get a good shot in the last 6 or 7 seconds of the shot clock. If that occurs in a game, a change in offensive sets must be made. However, the coach doesn't play the game and he's not responsible if Jimmy or Joe have an off night shooting unless he steadfastly adheres to the old " you dance with the one that brung ya" philosophy beyond the point of no return.
All of that being said, to come back after being down 17 in the second half on the road is a remarkable achievement, even if against the Little Sisters of the Poor. Not the best analogy. Army is no "little Sisters of the Poor."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 20, 2017 20:40:08 GMT -5
1-I consider PB a starter(change my "starters" to regulars. Happy now ?) due to the minutes he plays. In case you had not noticed, he has been scoring more lately, esp when we see man defenses, as we did vs Army 2-Floyd played more due to the pace of the game and MH not. More subs were needed. If you had watched, you may have noticed also. 3-In the last few games(again you may not know), CLS has subbed in during the second half, despite not playing in the first half, instead of MZ. that happened then. If desperation fits your sight unseen agenda, so be it. do you still believe that CLS will not be a main contributor the next four years ? The facts, as always, support your case: Pat Benzan's scoring by 5 game segments 1st 5 Games= 151 minutes and 41 points= 10.9/40 minutes 2nd 5 Games- 139 minutes and 26 points= 7.5/40 minutes 3rd 5 Games= 166 minutes and 28 points= 6.7/40 minutes Last 5 games= 137 minutes and 52 points= 15.2/40 minutes and this would be 17.3/40 minutes for last 4 games
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Post by possum on Jan 20, 2017 21:26:23 GMT -5
Hey hoops you seem to like to question what I watch or notice, maybe you missed the Lehigh game because you told me that CLS is subbed in during the 2nd half of recent games, against Lehigh CLS played only the last minute of a lopsided loss. Apparently he does not get subbed in as part of a second half rotation every game so my contention that an exasperated Carmody might have thought what the hell the regulars, as you like to call them, aren't getting the job done let's try something different is not so far fetched. But maybe you missed that game or didn't notice when CLS played.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 20, 2017 21:48:36 GMT -5
I did not see the lehigh game, but CLS has played recently in the second half. It is far from desperation when one non-regular plays with 4 regulars
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Post by lou on Jan 20, 2017 22:51:15 GMT -5
OK here's how it happened..
WEST POINT, N.Y. - Holy Cross coach Bill Carmody wasn't throwing in the towel down 17 points early in the second half against Army on Wednesday night, but he needed to find someone who could light the fire underneath his Crusaders before it was too late.
So Carmody looked down his bench and called on freshman Clayton Le Sann, a Swiss recruit via a Connecticut prep school. DNP - otherwise known as did not play - and zeroes lined most of his game-by-game statistics this season.
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Post by crosspride on Jan 20, 2017 22:53:00 GMT -5
For all who believe next year will be a big struggle, I give you this: Freshmen and Sophomores: 55 points on 16-21 2PT FG, 5-9 3PT FG, 8-10 FT in 97 minutes. Seniors: 30 points on 5-11 2PT FG, 5-13 3PT FG, 5-6 FT in 103 minutes. Champion, Husek, and Ant have contributed very little over the course of the first seven PL games. Using one game to make a point about an entire season is silly. Why not use the Sacred Heart game as an example? What conclusion would you make about next year based on that game? Benzan and Charles are good players, and I like Floyd's upside, but next year we're going to need at least 3 or 4 contributors other than those three. Based on Carmody's recruiting so far, are you confident that 2 or 3 of the frosh will be able to contribute immediately? They will have to, which is not typically a recipe for success.
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