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Post by beaven302 on Jul 1, 2018 12:24:05 GMT -5
Royal Knights or Paladins might not be safe from the future outrage of the politically correct. As soon as these guardians of public propriety learn that many medieval knights were armed thugs in chain mail and not a collection of courtly Sir Gallahads, they'll be on the warpath yet again.
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Post by beaven302 on Jun 30, 2018 17:02:17 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised to see the now-tired Crusader mascot issue being rehashed yet again. All I can add is that I have never seen a rendition of the Holy Cross Crusader that looked anything like the real thing. Instead, the artistic drawings resembled some knight ready to take part in a late Middle Ages tournament. As for game-day versions, I remember a guy on a horse who looked like a mounted college student (1963), a ground-bound student in a purple jumper holding a shield that looked like a repurposed Dinand food tray (mid-1960s), a costume that looked to me a little like a knightly Jay Leno on drugs, and the recent "Iggy" who looked as if he had escaped from a Saturday morning children's cartoon.
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Post by beaven302 on Jun 3, 2018 12:46:48 GMT -5
The discussion of the pros and cons of HC playing FBS schools brought to mind a Sports Illustrated article that I read decades ago about a game between Mississippi and Chattanooga. I managed to dig it up through a Google search and found it was entitled "Requiem for a Moth," which was published in 1962. It noted that the goal of the Chattanooga players was to score a touchdown. Here's the link to the article: www.si.com/vault/1962/11/19/592351/requiem-for-a-moth.
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Post by beaven302 on Apr 9, 2018 16:20:37 GMT -5
They cite school's like Ave Maria and others as the prototype of a true Catholic college. I was able to dig up Liew's now infamous article online and found it to be a typically academic exercise aimed at other professors who share the author's approach to gospels, i.e., applying trendy topics of concern -- gay issues, colonialism, gender rights, etc. -- to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Anyone other than this group would find Liew's article and others like it to be tedious to the extreme and thoroughly unconvincing. That said, the compilation that includes the Liew article, They Were All Together in One Place? Toward Minority Biblical Criticism (which includes numerous other articles with similar, non-traditional themes) is available online at over 1,200 libraries, including those at large numbers of Catholic colleges, universities and seminaries, as well as some Jewish institutions (Brandeis and Yeshiva). Two of these were very religiously conservative: Ave Maria and Liberty University. In short, Liew's article is just academic theorizing aimed at like-minded audiences and hardly rates all the attention it's currently getting.
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Post by beaven302 on Apr 9, 2018 16:00:39 GMT -5
So even though the team was 7-0 and ranked #2, we only had a little north of 12k attendance at Fitton? Played 96 players? Some things have not changed while some things have. Blame the 12k attendance on the woeful Lions. A check of old New York Times box scores for other 1983 games produced the following results. Sept. 10 - HC vs. BU -- attendance 15,231 Oct. 8 - HC vs. Colgate -- attendance 22,551 Oct. 22 - HC vs. Brown -- attendance 16,004. The athletic department would sell its soul for these numbers today.
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Post by beaven302 on Mar 29, 2018 12:12:52 GMT -5
To put Liew's remarks in context, here's the Amazon blurb for his book, Politics of Parousia: Reading Mark Inter(Con)Textually:
"This volume moves literary criticism of the Gospels further into the socio-political struggle for liberation - particularly, into the realm of colonial/postcolonial discourse. Taking seriously the thought that Mark's Gospel was written under Roman colonization, and using "inter(con)textuality" as an underlying theory, it examines the relation between Mark's story of Jesus and colonial politics, especially Mark's emphasis on the parousia and his constructions of colonial subjects. It argues that Mark's apocalyptic simultaneously resists and reinscribes colonial ideology in terms of three subject-positions and subject-matters: authority, agency, and gender. Juxtaposing apocalyptic and politics, dissidence and duplication as well as Chinese American narratives and the Markan text, this volume seeks to rethink our struggle for social change and the relationship between cultural politics and Gospel studies."
To give themselves something to write about, professors like Liew come up with new takes on historical texts that involve current issues, which are popular among academics like themselves, and provide novel,unorthodox interpretations that will find favor with their peers..
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Post by beaven302 on Mar 29, 2018 12:03:18 GMT -5
How many read the article in the Fenwick Review, rather than rely on Breitbart? I did. I've just read the article in the Fenwick Review and it strikes me that the professor's comments are another example of the trendy practice of finding LBGTQ elements where almost certainly none were intended by the original author. It brought to mind the critic whose analysis of the Great Gatsby included the claim that Gatsby's pal, Nick Carroway, was gay and Daisy Buchanan's friend, Jordan Baker, was a lesbian. In terms of offensiveness, it was reminiscent of the remark of one-time University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill that 9/11 victims were "Little Eichmann's." Like other posters, I find Liew's comments to be offensive and absurd, but getting rid of him would be more trouble than it's worth, and would provide him with far more publicity than an obscure religious studies professor deserves.
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Post by beaven302 on Mar 19, 2018 11:43:12 GMT -5
If Iggy the Crusader was representative of the knights on the battlefields of the Crusaders he would have lasted 5 seconds before being killed. Not one sensible person relates the Holy Cross Crusaders to 11th and 12th century warriors. Burrough's quotes are embarrassing and pathetic. He should be replaced immediately. If anything, poor Iggy looks like a very cartoonish version of a knight at a jousting tournament. He looks less like a real battlefield crusader than Willie the Wildcat, Northwestern's goofy, grinning mascot, looks like the real predatory deal.
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Post by beaven302 on Mar 15, 2018 13:53:42 GMT -5
I suppose the Black Knights of Army West Point should be asked to leave the Patriot League now...rather than subject any of these politically correct meatheads to possibility of even seeing such a sight on the campus. I will donate to the Crusader Athletic Fund (provided that name renames) but not one dime to the general fund....ever. And if HC ever ends up having play Rutgers in a tournament, it should forfeit rather than play the bloodstained Scarlet Knights. That said, the decision is very disappointing -- political correctness run rampant.
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Post by beaven302 on Mar 7, 2018 12:47:58 GMT -5
This story brings to mind a controversy that arose years ago about a suburban Long Island public library displaying a trophy won by the village fire department back in the 1920s, which had been awarded by the local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan. In the end, it was decided to keep displaying the trophy because it related to local history, specifically that the Klan once had a significant presence on Long Island. On the now possibly tired subject of mascots, while watching the HC-Colgate game, I noticed that CU's mascot was a doofy, cartoonish guy who was wearing a tricornered hat. This guy didn't have a dagger in his teeth, wasn't waving a cutlass, and never said "arghhh, "but is he a supposed to be a pirate? If so, has Colgate adopting the violent, homicidal ethos of the seaborne robbers of yesteryear? Of course not. He's just a mascot like the current HC crusader. People, especially those inclined toward over-wrought political correctness, shouldn't delve so much into what mascots supposedly represent.
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Post by beaven302 on Mar 5, 2018 13:44:09 GMT -5
A check of the database for old N.Y. Times issues, indicates that the game was played in Worcester, which means that there was no chance that it was played at night. I'd guess that the film people chose to show a night game because it meant that they wouldn't have to spend money on showing a large crowd. As for the color of the jerseys, the 1967 yearbook has a color photo of the October 1966 game against Syracuse in which the HC home jerseys are definitely purple.
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 9, 2018 12:44:34 GMT -5
When the politically correct discover that the F-8 Crusader was used during the Vietnam War, their objections to it would probably be far louder than all the complaints they made about the medieval crusaders.
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 3, 2018 14:31:01 GMT -5
The faculty letter says: "Holy Cross seeks to build a community marked by freedom, mutual respect, and civility." How about some respect for the history and traditions of the college and the feelings of alumni who want to retain the Crusade name for the athletic teams.
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 2, 2018 14:12:56 GMT -5
The main "First Dance" knock on Carmody was that he wasn't an aggressive recruiter. This is in line with what was the NU administrative party line about Coach Chris Collins when he was first hired: that he was a Chicago guy who really could go out and get plenty of first-class talent for the Wildcats.
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 2, 2018 14:08:18 GMT -5
I have this feeling that the dark horse outcome is we keep all iconography, drop "Crusaders" and become the Purple Knights. At the risk of sounding like a cynic, how long would it be before the politically correct realize that the typical medieval knight was no Sir Galahad and start baying about "Purple Knights?" After all, Pope Urban called the First Crusade to get the perpetually-warring knights and their liege lords out of Europe.
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 1, 2018 12:44:31 GMT -5
This is an inane non-issue raised by some guy who blathers about boxing for a living.
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Post by beaven302 on Dec 26, 2017 14:33:40 GMT -5
Hey, if Hofstra can have one of the Seven Deadly Sins as a mascot ("Pride") why not the Crusader and all that goes with that? Sadly, "Pride" has not seemed to stir Hofstra's less-than-rabid fans or the largely indifferent local media. Perhaps, they should have tried one of the other deadly sins, such as avarice, lust, or vainglory.
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Post by beaven302 on Nov 28, 2017 12:34:27 GMT -5
Housing suggestion is not for first dibs on preferred accommodations but being put in a room with other athletes in the same sport to enable schedules to be cohesive among roommates with busy schedules. Nutrition is solely for the supply of necessary Protein or bars etc in the Luth or locker room to allow players/athletes to have access before or after a workout/practice when schedule doesn't always allow going to cafeteria or other campus fueling stations. Classes, times that are made available to athletes first that enable them to be where they are required to be at the time they are supposed to be there. None of these 3 things are out of line nor uncommon even at the NAIA level. All that was meant by the original post. As for the new HC I will be looking forward to a youngish 1AA OC/DC with success at one of the higher academic schools. I am completely opposed to putting teammates together as freshmen. I think that part of college is meeting people who are different than you. After the first year, kids choose their own roommates so they can do what they want. I could not agree more. In freshman year, I drew a varsity football player as a roommate. Because of that I picked up some knowledge of what it was like to play college football, heard gossip about the coaches, and met other players. This experience made going to the games more enjoyable: it was people you knew down on the field instead of complete strangers.
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Post by beaven302 on Nov 27, 2017 21:58:35 GMT -5
This is a remarkably well-written article that touches on all the key points. The mention of the crusader as a symbol of a then-embattled Christianity brought to mind a comment made about the Columbus statues that have recently come to the attention of the politically correct: they were mostly erected as a symbol of Italian-American pride in reaction to the anti-Italian bigotry that was pervasive in this country.
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Post by beaven302 on Oct 25, 2017 11:44:01 GMT -5
And since I’ve probably pissed off the majority of you, while I don’t support dropping the Crusader, I have difficulty comprehending why so many people feel so strongly about this. My connection to HC is not based on some mascot, but in the education that I received, the frindships that I made and how HC helped to make me the person I have become. Whatever. What irks me no end is not a change of name per se, but the reasoning offered by those who favor it: politically-correct drivel, presentism, and an apparent ignorance of medieval history.
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Post by beaven302 on Oct 23, 2017 12:36:18 GMT -5
No Iggy mascot? He looks about as divisive and threatening as a cartoonish superhero. Speaking of superheroes, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles look far, far more like the real thing than Iggy does to the historic crusaders.
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Post by beaven302 on Oct 20, 2017 12:23:54 GMT -5
sader1970, Marquette dropped its nickname, St. Louis moved a quite benign statue indoors, and USF re-named a residence hall originally named after a xenophobic politician, (With USF, you have to wonder what were they thinking at the time it was first named.) If these other institutions can make such changes, why can't Holy Cross? <<< A rhetorical question. . Any comparison of the above the above to the Crusader name is a poor analogy. The Marquette name and the St. Louis statue involved the perceived denigration of Native Americans, which is still a problem. Any complaints about the Crusader name is a rank exercise in presentism: judging the actions of long-ago persons by modern standards. The historic crusaders brutality to those they defeated was the standard practice of the time. To expect them to have acted in any other way is totally unrealistic. As has been pointed out many times, the Crusader name is arguably no more objectionable than such names as knights, Spartans, vikings, pirates, buccaneers, etc., which for some reason seem to have escaped the attention of the politically correct.
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Post by beaven302 on Oct 16, 2017 11:31:35 GMT -5
Perhaps whenever anybody voices concern or discontent about our Crusader moniker and mascot, we send them this photo and let them draw their own conclusions. Let's Win!! Rather than threatening, the "crusader" in the photo looks like some knight who's all spiffed up to impress the ladies at a jousting tournament. The real,undeniably threatening, crusaders were a scruffy lot whose appearance allegedly appalled the residents of Constantinople when they passed through during the First Crusade. (According to this account, they also smelled of garlic.)
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Post by beaven302 on Oct 13, 2017 13:05:06 GMT -5
I can remember when people weren't concerned or offended by cartoons, nicknames and mascots, etc. FYI - The Minnesota Vikings are not real Vikings. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are not real buccaneers. These things were never meant to be taken seriously. I wasn't aware of this until recently but it looks like the Hofstra Flying Dutchmen are now the Hofstra Pride. Some people have too much time on their hands and/or need to get a life. Amen! It might be one thing if Muslim groups were protesting the Crusader moniker. The fact that the College has not mentioned any such protesters leads me to believe that there are none such. If that's the case, this is nothing more than an absurd exercise in internal navel gazing designed to assuage some unknown assumed guilt for I know not what. Absurdity to the nth degree. It might be worth mentioning that at the time the Crusades were happening, they drew little notice in the wider Muslim world. The territory involved constituted only a small strip of the Muslim lands and then as now followers of Islam were far more concerned about the Shiite-Sunni rivalry. (As for homicidal destructiveness, the Turco-Mongol invasions of Timur the Lame make the Crusaders look like amateurs.) Despite the sometime use of the word "Crusaders" to describe American forces in the Middle East, how likely is it that that any modern Muslims have a major problem with a long-ago invasion that was eventually defeated? Their real resentments derive from the European takeover of most of the Muslim Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, and the East Indies in the nineteenth and early twentieth century, and the current political situation.
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Post by beaven302 on Oct 13, 2017 12:51:41 GMT -5
Trying to draw a line from the Crusades to the Holocaust is a problematic exercise. Medieval persecution of the Jews derived from religious beliefs: they rejected Christianity and were falsely characterized as Christ-killers. Hitler's motivations were political and racial. In fact, he despised religion. He and like-minded Germans believed that the Jews were a destructive force within Germany (they were disproportionately represented in law, banking, and business) and that they were not, nor could they ever be, real Germans. Influencing him were the crackpot racial and eugenic theories that arose in the nineteenth century and pan-German nationalism.
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