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Post by sonsofspitler on Dec 2, 2017 14:55:50 GMT -5
I'm guessing we must be in bottom 10 teams in FT Made Per Game Nailed it - 341st out of 351 Challenge flag: 341 of 351 puts us in the bottom 11, not the bottom 10
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 2, 2017 15:03:07 GMT -5
we do not box out under the hoop, someone has to keep the other team away so that we could at least have a chance to get the rebound. This is going to be a long year unless we start hitting our shots at a better percentage. We need to recruit better athletes. Stop it, just stop it. We want shooters. So what about defense. Our shooting will take care of everything. Nails it. Three more years of this crap will set us back a looooong way. Need to make a u-turn and start focusing on defense and rebounding, or we’re screwed.
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Post by hcnation on Dec 2, 2017 15:08:52 GMT -5
Pete Gillan made two key points over and over in both games 1-need to “get in the mud” everyone need to hit the glass. Cant win being out rebounded by 10+ 2- 1-3-1 leaves the baseline open and we give up a ton of open threes in the corners Team needs to change defenses. The P.O. is a disaster. We don’t move. No rotations, ball too slow in arriving. Defender there as ball gets there. Yes we have freshmen, but coaching has been pretty subject so far. Gee, I thought his two points were : 1) he only spent two hours at the Titanic museum and could've been there for four hours 2) that Belfast is a fabulous city
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2017 16:18:31 GMT -5
See what RGS and 81 (and ncaam?) missed by being there in person!
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 2, 2017 16:38:38 GMT -5
Come to think of it. Bill Carmody is lucky if his offense gets two back door layups per game. Also, they could push a little more on long rebound misses by the other team. Lastly they need to play both big guys together. Starting lineup should be Green, Benzan, Niego, Faw and Floyd. Put Charles on the bench and let him get his confidence back.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 2, 2017 16:44:08 GMT -5
Towson beats Manhattan, 56-55, for championship. The Tigers are a good offensive team, a better defensive one, and are solid on the glass. Now 8-1, they could be one of the more interesting mid-major stories the rest of the way.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 2, 2017 16:45:27 GMT -5
1-3-1 leaves the baseline open and we give up a ton of open threes in the corners Team needs to change defenses. The only time the 1-3-1 has worked well in Carmody's time here was during the PLT in 2016 with Eric Green running the baseline - and that's the main reason why we had the run in the PLT. Need somebody with speed, length, and defensive instinct - there was nobody last season and after six games this year, I don't see anybody on the roster who combines those attributes. Either the players are going to learn to play the match-up well enough in time, or would hope the coaches would be willing to try a more vanilla-flavored, straight-up zone that gives us more persistent presence in the paint. Biggest beneficiary of that change would be Faw, who I could see getting 20-25 minutes and averaging 8-10 ppg and 5 rpg right away, the main weakness of the 2-3, vanilla or otherwise, is in the middle, paint shots galore. The 1-3-1 has not been good, but the freshmen are adjusting to 2 complex defenses, and a complex offense that has not been fully implemented because of our youth. the second half today was an improvement against a talented opponent
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 2, 2017 16:46:53 GMT -5
Come to think of it. Bill Carmody is lucky if his offense gets two back door layups per game. Also, they could push a little more on long rebound misses by the other team. Lastly they need to play both big guys together. Starting lineup should be Green, Benzan, Niego, Faw and Floyd. Put Charles on the bench and let him get his confidence back. Carmody has acknowledged that he needs to find a way to get MF and JF on the floor together. Maybe he's waiting to see if Jack Stevens can get healthy and serve as Jehyve's backup.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 2, 2017 16:54:03 GMT -5
Come to think of it. Bill Carmody is lucky if his offense gets two back door layups per game. Also, they could push a little more on long rebound misses by the other team. Lastly they need to play both big guys together. Starting lineup should be Green, Benzan, Niego, Faw and Floyd. Put Charles on the bench and let him get his confidence back. Niego and Faw at the 3-4 will leave us severely exposed defensively. Our lineup combinations are very limited due to a lack of depth and lack of roster balance. This means that we are forced to live and die by Charles being an all-League caliber player at the 3 for 30+ MPG.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 2, 2017 16:57:25 GMT -5
Come to think of it. Bill Carmody is lucky if his offense gets two back door layups per game. Also, they could push a little more on long rebound misses by the other team. Lastly they need to play both big guys together. Starting lineup should be Green, Benzan, Niego, Faw and Floyd. Put Charles on the bench and let him get his confidence back. in 50+ years of coaching and watching hoops, i have never seen any player regain confidence by sitting on the bench. Can you name any ?
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Post by Ray on Dec 2, 2017 17:49:55 GMT -5
Charles on the bench is a ludicrous notion. We're four weeks from conference play. Focus needs to be getting him, and the whole team, on an upward trend by then. Honestly, the expectations some of you seem to have had for how this non-conference portion was going to turn out are truly astounding. There was no way this group wasn't going to take their lumps early... and maybe all year. And guess what? When a Carmody team looks bad, these criticisms (no rebounding, etc) point to exactly how a Carmody-style team gets beat... just like when a Willard team went badly, it got beat by scores like 56-44 and everyone complained about how RW couldn't coach offense. Just because the system is being played poorly right now doesn't mean the system itself is invalid.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 2, 2017 17:55:27 GMT -5
System is fine; recruiting is week .
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Post by Ray on Dec 2, 2017 17:56:08 GMT -5
System is fine; recruiting is week . Check back next week?
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Post by timholycross on Dec 2, 2017 18:01:28 GMT -5
The only reason you would sit Charles if he's physically unable to contribute (which for a while today was looking like the case).
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2017 18:03:42 GMT -5
I think whatever "confidence" problems KC has it is due to his hamstring.
At times he looks fine but there are times when it appeared his gait (if that the right word for how he was running) was off. If he doesn't trust himself being 100% recovered from his injury, he can't be truly focused and play tentatively.
Any bench time should not be to work on his head but to work on recovery of his leg.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 2, 2017 18:20:27 GMT -5
Charles on the bench is a ludicrous notion. We're four weeks from conference play. Focus needs to be getting him, and the whole team, on an upward trend by then. Honestly, the expectations some of you seem to have had for how this non-conference portion was going to turn out are truly astounding. There was no way this group wasn't going to take their lumps early... and maybe all year. And guess what? When a Carmody team looks bad, these criticisms (no rebounding, etc) point to exactly how a Carmody-style team gets beat... just like when a Willard team went badly, it got beat by scores like 56-44 and everyone complained about how RW couldn't coach offense. Just because the system is being played poorly right now doesn't mean the system itself is invalid. Comparisons between Carmody’s system and RW’s system are silly. RW employed a system that could truly equalize talent by taking away opponents’ primary strengths, and maximizing HC’s performance in “effort stats” (rebounds, deflections, charges, loose balls, etc.) that are not dependent upon talent and skill. Carmody’s system is reliant upon shooting ability and shooting better than the other team.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 2, 2017 18:43:30 GMT -5
I don't think Carmody all of a sudden forgot how to coach the game of basketball.
His system (some might say Carrill's) has been successful at our level (Princeton) and relatively successful in one of the best leagues in the country (B1G).
Our Jimmys and Joes are too young/inexperienced right now....roster is somewhat of a mess right now as a result of transfers, kids leaving HC, head coaching change etc.
Not saying that Carmody will definitely be successful at HC...but I'd bet on him over most alternatives right now.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 2, 2017 19:07:36 GMT -5
I don't think Carmody all of a sudden forgot how to coach the game of basketball. His system (some might say Carrill's) has been successful at our level (Princeton) and relatively successful in one of the best leagues in the country (B1G). Our Jimmys and Joes are too young/inexperienced right now....roster is somewhat of a mess right now as a result of transfers, kids leaving HC, head coaching change etc. Not saying that Carmody will definitely be successful at HC...but I'd bet on him over most alternatives right now. Carmody has shown absolutely no ability to recruit the Jimmys and Joes to HC that will be needed to successfully run his system. Sydney Johnson is not walking through that door. Brian Earl is not walking through that door. Mitch Henderson is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door they’re gonna be grey and old.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 2, 2017 19:11:46 GMT -5
I could almost hear Ricky P....
Recruiting has been mixed, agreed. I think Green will be very good....other frosh this year have potential....soph and jr classes are not great in toto, admittedly.
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Post by possum on Dec 2, 2017 19:18:48 GMT -5
If Charles is really hurt lets sit him down and get ready for PL play, the way he's playing now is not good enough for the guy who's supposed to be the leader of the team. If his roller coast play continues we are in big trouble.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 2, 2017 19:27:09 GMT -5
Butler with just three nondescript minutes. Disappointing tournament, and playing time has declined steadily since FDU On TV (haven't seen him in person), I would say if Butler is 6'5 then I'm a six footer for sure. I'm 5-10 on a good day.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 2, 2017 19:46:44 GMT -5
So he’s 6-3? There’s nothing wrong with a 6-3 guard
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Post by efg72 on Dec 2, 2017 20:31:54 GMT -5
IMHO the first year for Carmody was spent recruiting available players and he had some success for being late in that process. Because of the minutes played by the class of ‘17, the jury is out on the second group of recruits.
I look at these freshmen as his first recruits as he tries to build a team that can play a system he has enjoyed, with pretty good success, over the years. As Left Drissel once said, “I can coach”, and I think Carmody can do it better than most, but he needs his players. The problem today is you have a mixed roster in terms of style of play they are best suited to play. Half the roster needs to play up tempo and the others are better suited for the more deliberate offensive style. Let them develop the talent they have. My bet is you will have a couple transfers from this group because kids want to play right away and if they are sitting they or their parents will look elsewhere. With that possibility I have to believe the staff is looking at 2-3 physical bigs in case we have an opening or two.
For Holy Cross, as a member of the PL, this class might be more talented than we can reasonably expect on the roster. The staff did a real nice job in recruiting offensive basketball players with plenty of room to grow and develop on both ends of the floor. Don’t discount the value that exists with someone like AB because he brings a toughness and If he develops defensively can be a tough match up for the opposition next year and beyond.
The worst and best thing that happened two years ago was winning the PLT and going to the NCAAs. It created false expectations for a program that had talented players under MB but was floundering. If we level set expectations for say 10-12 wins this year and these players improve each month this can be a great season to watch Holy Cross Basketball and perhaps an interesting March. The future is bright, we just need more players to fit the offensive and defensive systems the coaches want to play!
Patience might be a virtue, but for all of us that love the school and the game it might very well be a necessity.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 2, 2017 20:35:41 GMT -5
So he’s 6-3? There’s nothing wrong with a 6-3 guard He doesn't look that much bigger than the two midgets we're running out there. And the program needs a shooter who can shoot over guys. That's not a knock on Butler per se....hope he has a great career.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 2, 2017 20:48:52 GMT -5
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