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Post by crosspride on Feb 4, 2018 8:29:30 GMT -5
This isn't about quality of opposition. This is about playing much better ball than we were a month ago. Deny that if you want, it only underscores your bias. Haha what a joke. We’re playing “better” because we’re playing awful teams. If you think beating these bad teams means the program has turned around it just underscores your desperation. Haha what a joke. We’re playing “better” because we’re playing awful teams.
If you think beating these bad teams means the program has turned around it just underscores your desperation. Very predictable.... You have SUNK to a NEW LOW!!!! I have now joined many others and hit the IGNORE button!! ADIOS AMIGO! ! A win is a win, so people can celebrate if they want, but the rankings that caro posted are facts. Once we can consistently keep it within 10 vs one of the top teams in the league, maybe then will progress have been made. Bucknell will be a nice measuring stick - they could have beat us by 40 last time if they wanted. Kostecka would be a major contributor. Anyone recall the timeline between when Carmody was hired and he first made contact with a current player (Malachi), let alone a recruit? It was about a week, no? All moot at this point, but let’s not pretend he’s some scrub Carmody rightfully got rid of.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 4, 2018 8:36:15 GMT -5
For those of you who put aside thoughts of past decisions, league affiliations, and coaching choices to support the kids who chose HC - I take a big swig of grape Kool Aid to commend you (ok, it's pomegranate juice; good for my PSA levels)! I think HC grads are fans of HC teams and support the kids. The purple Kool-Aid kicks in (or doesn't kick in) when HC fans are evaluating HC recruit and player talent, coaching talent, and prospects for wins and losses. The back and forth between the gulpers, the sippers, and the abstainers is always enjoyable. It is current and there is always a chance of convincing another to put the glass down or even to take a sip. I separate the entertaining purple Kool-Aid factor (and those who point out its effect when evaluating HC recruit and player talent, coaching talent, and prospects for wins and losses.) noted above from those who bemoan our past athletic/league/program decisions. That, IMHO is a bit of a waste of time. I've never hit the ignore button since I can always learn but those comments don't hold my interest.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2018 8:51:13 GMT -5
Is there much of a chance that Kostecka will regret his decision to go to Loyola and ask to transfer to Holy Cross?? I didn't think so. Why waste any more keystrokes on him?
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Post by lou on Feb 4, 2018 9:01:09 GMT -5
When we "loose" we stink, when we win the other team stinks, basketball season is so much fun
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Post by HC92 on Feb 4, 2018 9:09:15 GMT -5
When we "loose" we stink, when we win the other team stinks, basketball season is so much fun Correction. When we win, both teams stink.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 4, 2018 9:28:05 GMT -5
I don't have anyone on ignore, and support everyone's right to post (as long as they don't attack players). I'm sure there are posters who find my posts boring, or lacking substance. Whatever......but no one can convince me to be miserable every day of the basketball season, no matter what the circumstances.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 4, 2018 9:44:20 GMT -5
When we "loose" we stink, when we win the other team stinks, basketball season is so much fun We are 8-15 this year against the 319th strongest schedule, 6-15 since starting 2-0. The teams that we have beat have a ranking of 187, 211, 260, 274, 304, 307, 307, 330 — half of our wins are against teams ranked 300 or above, we have one win against the top 200 and it was the second game of the year against a below average Harvard team. Of the 7 teams we have beat this year, the only one with a winning record is 12-10 Army, who has played the 335th strongest schedule. The 7 teams we beat this year have a combined record of 51-104 (.329), and have combined for 3 wins against teams in the top 200. Those are just facts.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 4, 2018 10:07:31 GMT -5
Bringbackcaro and '87... I honestly enjoy your ability to be quite skeptical. I am not the biggest fan of the Perpetual Purple Kool Aid drinkers (not a dig at you NAD, I actually like your avatar and love your enthusiasm for HC), so I can appreciate a balancing perspective. However, I think you're reading into this too deeply. The team can only play who is on the schedule in front of them. If these teams are as bad as you say, then HC should beat them if they have any semblance of proficiency, and they have. So, they're doing what they need to do, and doing it on the road in the case of yesterday's game. Nobody is saying bring on Gonzaga except for you. They aren't world-beaters by any stretch, but a few weeks ago we wouldn't have been surprised to see HC lose one of these games. Taking care of business wire to wire is where the team needs to be and that is an encouraging sign relative to some of the missteps from last month.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 4, 2018 10:18:41 GMT -5
Bringbackcaro and '87... I honestly enjoy your ability to be quite skeptical. I am not the biggest fan of the Perpetual Purple Kool Aid drinkers (not a dig at you NAD, I actually like your avatar and love your enthusiasm for HC), so I can appreciate a balancing perspective. However, I think you're reading into this too deeply. The team can only play who is on the schedule in front of them. If these teams are as bad as you say, then HC should beat them if they have any semblance of proficiency, and they have. So, they're doing what they need to do, and doing it on the road in the case of yesterday's game. Nobody is saying bring on Gonzaga except for you. They aren't world-beaters by any stretch, but a few weeks ago we wouldn't have been surprised to see HC lose one of these games. Taking care of business wire to wire is where the team needs to be and that is an encouraging sign relative to some of the missteps from last month. The issue is that we’re not actually “taking care of business.” We’re 8-15 this year, and 38-52 overall under Carmody. We’re 5-6 against the non-Bucknell crap bag of PL teams, and couldn’t even compete with Bucknell. If we were consistently putting up 20 Wins Baby against these schedules, that may be a different story, but we’re not even close to that.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 4, 2018 10:44:25 GMT -5
Bringbackcaro and '87... I honestly enjoy your ability to be quite skeptical. I am not the biggest fan of the Perpetual Purple Kool Aid drinkers (not a dig at you NAD, I actually like your avatar and love your enthusiasm for HC), so I can appreciate a balancing perspective. However, I think you're reading into this too deeply. The team can only play who is on the schedule in front of them. If these teams are as bad as you say, then HC should beat them if they have any semblance of proficiency, and they have. So, they're doing what they need to do, and doing it on the road in the case of yesterday's game. Nobody is saying bring on Gonzaga except for you. They aren't world-beaters by any stretch, but a few weeks ago we wouldn't have been surprised to see HC lose one of these games. Taking care of business wire to wire is where the team needs to be and that is an encouraging sign relative to some of the missteps from last month. The issue is that we’re not actually “taking care of business.” We’re 8-15 this year, and 38-52 overall under Carmody. We’re 5-6 against the non-Bucknell crap bag of PL teams, and couldn’t even compete with Bucknell. If we were consistently putting up 20 Wins Baby against these schedules, that may be a different story, but we’re not even close to that. We all know all of this. You don’t have to keep posting it over and over and over. The fact that people are glad we won yesterday and some see some positive signs for the future doesn’t mean they’ve forgotten all of this. No one thinks we’re a great basketball team at the moment. Your ridiculously repetitive responses are completely disproportionate to some modest positivity after a W.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2018 11:08:48 GMT -5
Caro--Let's build on HC92's wise counsel above. You keep trying to promote yourself as the only one who can see the team's, the players', and the head coach's shortcomings. Please disabuse yourself of that notion.
We all recognize that this is clearly a rebuilding season---let's enjoy the rare wins over those horribly inept opponents and think about what might possibly be a brighter future when the young talent on the team matures.
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 4, 2018 11:13:23 GMT -5
RGS I don't think anyone on this board suggested Kostecka was a star/game changing recruit, although when compared to who we replaced him with he looks exceptional, but he is a very solid all around player who would have helped this team and last years team tremendously. You do realize that his stats this year would make him our 2nd leading scorer and rebounder and beside JF he would be our best defender, so I think he would start for this team. By the way if you consider getting 12 of his 14 points in the first 30 minutes as getting most of his points late I guess you're right. 100%correct
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Post by ncaam on Feb 4, 2018 11:29:18 GMT -5
Two other things are also true: we had the coaching advantage AND when was the last time 5 players played well in the same game, competition or no competition
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Post by ncaam on Feb 4, 2018 11:33:13 GMT -5
Caro--Let's build on HC92's wise counsel above. You keep trying to promote yourself as the only one who can see the team's, the players', and the head coach's shortcomings. Please disabuse yourself of that notion. We all recognize that this is clearly a rebuilding season---let's enjoy the rare wins over those horribly inept opponents and think about what might possibly be a brighter future when the young talent on the team matures. WHAT SHORTCOMINGS DO YOU SEE?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 4, 2018 11:56:51 GMT -5
Caro--Let's build on HC92's wise counsel above. You keep trying to promote yourself as the only one who can see the team's, the players', and the head coach's shortcomings. Please disabuse yourself of that notion. We all recognize that this is clearly a rebuilding season---let's enjoy the rare wins over those horribly inept opponents and think about what might possibly be a brighter future when the young talent on the team matures. I don’t think we all recognize that this is a rebuilding year. The “re” in rebuilding implies that we’re trying to get back to a certain point where we previously were. We were 15-17 last year and lost in the 1st round of the PLT, and 11-19 two years ago before a miraculous 4-game run that has not been replicated for any other stretch over the last 2 3/4 years. If we won 20 games last year and lost in the PLC, a step back would be more acceptable this year, but that’s not the case at all. It would be one thing if we had actually made adjustments to the issues that caused us to be so incredibly inept against good teams and that was fueling our “turnaround” in PL play, but I have not seen that and I have not seen any actual observations about that from anyone else. If the quality of the opponent is the only reason we are now winning games, I don’t see how that is a positive sign for the future. Jehyve Floyd has been our only consistent player and has carried the team on his back. We have nobody behind him who can play or defend in the paint, and nobody coming in next year. When he graduates, it will leave a GLARING hole in the lineup, and then will we be rebuilding again?
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Post by ncaam on Feb 4, 2018 12:15:10 GMT -5
Let’s see if there are 2018 openings let’s see how we do.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 4, 2018 12:42:40 GMT -5
Haha what a joke. We’re playing “better” because we’re playing awful teams. If you think beating these bad teams means the program has turned around it just underscores your desperation. Very predictable.... You have SUNK to a NEW LOW!!!! I have now joined many others and hit the IGNORE button!! ADIOS AMIGO! ! Bucknell will be a nice measuring stick - they could have beat us by 40 last time if they wanted. AGREEDKostecka would be a major contributor. Anyone recall the timeline between when Carmody was hired and he first made contact with a current player (Malachi), let alone a recruit? It was about a week, no? All moot at this point, but let’s not pretend he’s some scrub Carmody rightfully got rid of. I do not remember anyone on Crossports ever saying Kostecka was a scrub. Why invent that? It does not make for a strong argument. I do remember some on here (part of the small group that had a love affair with the previous coach) saying that losing him was a "disaster" for HC and a sign that we would not be recruiting good players in the future. It was part of the litany some put forward for a time after CBC was hired. That did die down after HC won the PL tournament and an NCAA game, but it is now back again. As I said, Kostecka is a good player, but not the game changer we were said to have lost when he switched to Loyola. Is part of the reason he has some good numbers now the fact that his teammates are not as strong as they might have been at HC?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 4, 2018 12:48:53 GMT -5
RGS I don't think anyone on this board suggested Kostecka was a star/game changing recruit, although when compared to who we replaced him with he looks exceptional, but he is a very solid all around player who would have helped this team and last years team tremendously. You do realize that his stats this year would make him our 2nd leading scorer and rebounder and beside JF he would be our best defender, so I think he would start for this team. By the way if you consider getting 12 of his 14 points in the first 30 minutes as getting most of his points late I guess you're right. 100%correct If you mean it is 100% correct because it is what possum thinks, then you are correct. If you are referring to no one suggesting that he was a game changer that HC lost, then it is not 100% correct, I guess you are wrong, except for selective perception by fans of FCMB. There were several posters who said just that (with slight paraphrasing because it is not worth going back and looking it up.
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Post by possum on Feb 4, 2018 12:55:44 GMT -5
Think your recollection of what was said about Kostecka on this board is incorrect but at least you now seem to admit he's a good player further conversation on this matter is fruitless.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 4, 2018 12:59:59 GMT -5
I'm enjoying seeing us win more than lose lately, and hoping that we may be able to win a few more games to stay out of the play in round in the PL Tournament.
I have also enjoyed watching Grandison and Butler coming on strong for PL play. Caleb Green, while hot and cold, will be a nice PG for us for the next three seasons.
BBC, you are correct in stating that we have beaten bad teams recently. But so what? These are the teams we have in the PL. This is out of our control. We are beating the teams we ostensibly should be beating. I, too, am disappointed we aren't in the same stratosphere as Bucknell, and don't look like we are able to compete against top 150 teams.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 4, 2018 13:02:14 GMT -5
Think your recollection of what was said about Kostecka on this board is incorrect but at least you now seem to admit he's a good player further conversation on this matter is fruitless. Fair enough and thanks for the willingness to let it go. I started by saying Kostecka was good, so no problem there. I might have "misremembered" what was posted, but, IMHO, I remember those posts pretty well.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 4, 2018 13:41:18 GMT -5
I'm enjoying seeing us win more than lose lately, and hoping that we may be able to win a few more games to stay out of the play in round in the PL Tournament. I have also enjoyed watching Grandison and Butler coming on strong for PL play. Caleb Green, while hot and cold, will be a nice PG for us for the next three seasons. BBC, you are correct in stating that we have beaten bad teams recently. But so what? These are the teams we have in the PL. This is out of our control. We are beating the teams we ostensibly should be beating. I, too, am disappointed we aren't in the same stratosphere as Bucknell, and don't look like we are able to compete against top 150 teams. I guess we just may have different expectations, SOV. 5-7 against an awful PL and, as you observed, an inability to compete with teams in the top half of D1 just doesn’t do it for me. In a group text chat of HC alums that is normally pretty active in discussion about HC basketball, there have been far more instances of “I didn’t even realize there was a game tonight” than people actually watching games. The really low quality of play for 2 2/3’s of the last 2 3/4 years has turned people off to a point that beating a couple bad teams so we aren’t in the PL PIG says more about how far we’ve fallen than any type of accomplishment or true progress.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 4, 2018 13:50:17 GMT -5
It doesn't do it for me, either.
But you being able to take any satisfaction and enjoyment in a throttling of Loyola on the road is disappointing. This season has sucked -- no doubt about that. But, you aren't the least bit encouraged by a few of our freshmen?
During these wins, you're unable to say anything other than "so what, these teams we are beating suck." That's too bad.
We're on to Navy.
Go Pats.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 4, 2018 14:01:12 GMT -5
It doesn't do it for me, either. But you being able to take any satisfaction and enjoyment in a throttling of Loyola on the road is disappointing. This season has sucked -- no doubt about that. But, you aren't the least bit encouraged by a few of our freshmen? We're on to Navy. Go Pats. Yes, Butler and Grandison have shown encouraging flashes, but I don’t know if you can say that you’ve seen enough to indicate that either has a ceiling of a 1st team all PL player. Green showed some flashes earlier this year, but I don’t believe that he is on the level of Jave Meade, Torey Thomas, or Pat Doherty. So if we “hit” on 2-3 frosh that are better-than-solid PL players, where does that leave us? Needing to rely heavily on frosh again after next year because it will be another senior class that is essentially empty? Isn’t this just an endless cycle of mediocrity? On to Philly. Go Pats.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2018 14:17:11 GMT -5
I have very high expectations that Caleb Green will be a very strong contributor over his career--maybe not another TT or JM, but I I certainly expect that he will eclipse Pat Doherty. Pat showed great promise as a freshman and he was a fine playmaker, but his shooting percentage after freshman season was sub-optimal. For his career he shot .299 on threes and .379 on twos. To date Caleb Green is hitting .302 on threes (PD was at .377 as a freshman) and .487 on twos. I would be big $$$ that over his career CG's shooting percentage on both twos and threes will be considerably higher than PD's. Here's a funny stat: as a freshman Pat Doherty had 69 assists against 42 turnovers; season-to-date CG is at 68 vs 42. I'll have to check on some defensive measures as well, but I certainly think Caleb is "on the level of" Pat Doherty. I do recognize that PD has significant health issues.
As far as AB and JG go--I think they are well beyond the status of "showing flashes".......
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