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Post by hchoops on Feb 4, 2018 17:00:43 GMT -5
Speaking of the freshmen----Looking just at offense, using only Ken Pomeroy's "O-Rating", here's how our current freshmen stack up against HC freshmen of the past. I looked only at freshmen who played 30% or more of a team's minutes. Of course, we know the current freshmen's numbers will change with additional games and that this measure takes only offense into account 119.7= Anthony Thompson-- before you dispute this, take a look at his freshman extraordinary numbers, e.g. .414 3 PT FG PCTG, #21 in Div-1 on free throw rate, etc 106.3= Keith Simmons 105.4= Austin Butler102.1= Karl Charles 100.3= Eric Meister 99.5= Nate Lufkin 98.7= Jacob Grandison97.8= Matt Faw (has played 27% of minutes but I thought I'd include him) 97.6= Pat Doherty 92.9= Devin Brown 92.9= R.J. Evans 92.6= Caleb Green92.2= Torey Thomas 90.8= Alex Vander Baan 90.7= Kevin Hamilton 88.6= Cullen Hamilton 88.5= Justin Burrell 87.9= Colin Cunningham 86.5= Matt Zignorski 86.3= Malachi Alexander 81.8=Andrew Beinert Ky, Do you know Jave’s and Tim S’ numbers ?
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Post by hchoops on Feb 4, 2018 17:04:36 GMT -5
So when you're wrong, let's just point to intangibles. I don't really care about Pat's swagger when he couldn't put the ball in the basket. You know about the preceding attributes related to Green how? You're not at practices or in the locker room or even go to games. You know Green based on what you see on the Patriot League Network. Come on. You're reaching. The many good points you make about Carmody, the team, and program as a whole are cheapened when you overrate a player from the RW era to knock down one from the 2017-18 Crusaders. You are correct in that I know only what I can see from watching the PL Network on Green, but I’d love to be proven wrong. Simple question - if you had to start your team would it be with Doherty or Green? As a point of reference, Bob McKillop wanted Doherty as the PG of Steph Curry’s teams at Davidson. As another point of reference, it may have been a good thing that Pat did not go to Davidson. During Curry’s freshman and soph seasons, when he played the 2, a guard named Jason Richards played the point and averaged 7-8 assists per game. Would have been tough to beat out
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2018 17:05:38 GMT -5
Sorry--should have noted that the first year for which Ken Pom provides data is 2001-02, so data for those HC stars are not available
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Post by hchoops on Feb 4, 2018 17:10:31 GMT -5
Back to the Loyola game Our best gang rebounding game of the season. Starters: 7, 6, 5, 5, 5 40 points in the paint 12 fast break points
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 4, 2018 17:24:10 GMT -5
Back to the Loyola game Our best gang rebounding game of the season. Starters: 7, 6, 5, 5, 5 40 points in the paint 12 fast break points Our best rebounding game of the year was against American.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 4, 2018 17:51:19 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 4, 2018 20:21:38 GMT -5
Back to the Loyola game Our best gang rebounding game of the season. Starters: 7, 6, 5, 5, 5 40 points in the paint 12 fast break points Our best rebounding game of the year was against American. HC had 32 rebounds against Loyola and 31 against American. HC's starting 5 had 28 rebounds against Loyola and 18 against American. How was our rebounding against American better?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2018 20:55:04 GMT -5
Our best rebounding game of the year was against American. HC had 32 rebounds against Loyola and 31 against American. HC's starting 5 had 28 rebounds against Loyola and 18 against American. How was our rebounding against American better? Against American we grabbed 26% of the offensive boards and 83% of the defensive boards against Loyola we grabbed 22% of the o boards and 77% of the d boards i think it's best to look at rebounds this way, rather than at total rebounds by number or percentage, because if your opponents miss a lot of shots you get a lot more chances to grab defensive rebounds and they're easier to get then the ones at your own basket
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Post by bison137 on Feb 4, 2018 21:16:23 GMT -5
HC had 32 rebounds against Loyola and 31 against American. HC's starting 5 had 28 rebounds against Loyola and 18 against American. How was our rebounding against American better? Against American we grabbed 26% of the offensive boards and 83% of the defensive boards against Loyola we grabbed 22% of the o boards and 77% of the d boards i think it's best to look at rebounds this way, rather than at total rebounds by number or percentage, because if your opponents miss a lot of shots you get a lot more chances to grab defensive rebounds and they're easier to get then the ones at your own basket Yes, the American game clearly was the best rebounding game based on absolute statistics. However, one could make a case for the Loyola game being better if you factor in the competition. American has no real center at the moment and is one of the worst rebounding teams in the nation - ranking 320th in the nation in offensive rebounds and 296th in defensive rebounding. They have been outrebounded in every PL game this year. Loyola, in contrast, ranks 178th nationally in offensive rebounding and 58th in defensive rebounding. And in PL-only games, they are 4th at the offensive end and 2nd at the defensive end. So although, the American game statistically was clearly the best rebounding game, I might lean to the Loyola game as being better - with HC having come out relatively even against a good rebounding team.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 4, 2018 23:52:31 GMT -5
You are correct in that I know only what I can see from watching the PL Network on Green, but I’d love to be proven wrong. Simple question - if you had to start your team would it be with Doherty or Green? As a point of reference, Bob McKillop wanted Doherty as the PG of Steph Curry’s teams at Davidson. As another point of reference, it may have been a good thing that Pat did not go to Davidson. During Curry’s freshman and soph seasons, when he played the 2, a guard named Jason Richards played the point and averaged 7-8 assists per game. Would have been tough to beat out Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that Doherty was their first choice in that class and Richards only committed after Doherty flipped from Davidson to HC. Feels like forever ago that we were competing with Davidson (Doherty, Beinert, Cavataio), Harvard (Evans, Brown), Butler (Jones), and other serious programs for recruits. Very sad.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 5, 2018 8:59:14 GMT -5
As another point of reference, it may have been a good thing that Pat did not go to Davidson. During Curry’s freshman and soph seasons, when he played the 2, a guard named Jason Richards played the point and averaged 7-8 assists per game. Would have been tough to beat out Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that Doherty was their first choice in that class and Richards only committed after Doherty flipped from Davidson to HC. Not sure the whole recruiting story or if indeed Richards only got the offer when Pat D committed here. However, Jason Richards turned out to be a terrific player. He actually wound up getting an NBA Summer League invite. Doherty also wanted to accept the Davidson offer but was essentially pressured by family to come here.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 5, 2018 9:05:46 GMT -5
If they were both recruited in the same year, it could not have been to play with Curry since Curry was two years behind Richards, not sure about Pat
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 5, 2018 10:18:32 GMT -5
If they were both recruited in the same year, it could not have been to play with Curry since Curry was two years behind Richards, not sure about Pat Doherty was high school class of 2004 -- same HC incoming class as Tim Clifford. But due to medical redshirt he wound up graduating with Colin Cunningham, Laurence Dixon and Alex Vander Baan.
I believe Richards was a senior when Davidson made its NCAA Run in March 2008, meaning he was the same incoming recruiting class as Pat.
Curry was HS class of 2006 and left Davidson for the NBA following the 2008-2009 season, as a junior.
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Post by sader1998 on Feb 5, 2018 15:26:58 GMT -5
Against American we grabbed 26% of the offensive boards and 83% of the defensive boards against Loyola we grabbed 22% of the o boards and 77% of the d boards i think it's best to look at rebounds this way, rather than at total rebounds by number or percentage, because if your opponents miss a lot of shots you get a lot more chances to grab defensive rebounds and they're easier to get then the ones at your own basket Yes, the American game clearly was the best rebounding game based on absolute statistics. However, one could make a case for the Loyola game being better if you factor in the competition. American has no real center at the moment and is one of the worst rebounding teams in the nation - ranking 320th in the nation in offensive rebounds and 296th in defensive rebounding. They have been outrebounded in every PL game this year. Loyola, in contrast, ranks 178th nationally in offensive rebounding and 58th in defensive rebounding. And in PL-only games, they are 4th at the offensive end and 2nd at the defensive end. So although, the American game statistically was clearly the best rebounding game, I might lean to the Loyola game as being better - with HC having come out relatively even against a good rebounding team. Speaking of rebounding, HC is still dead last in the country (#351) at 27.9 rpg. American is next closest PL competitor (#347) at 29.0 rpg. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/team/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/count/321
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 5, 2018 15:42:28 GMT -5
Bear in mind that we have fewer rebounds to go for due to the very very slow pace of play.
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Post by lou on Feb 6, 2018 19:00:57 GMT -5
Kudos to the Loyola announcing pair. About as impartial as we will hear in the PL. Knowledgeable, and very complimentary of the opposing team. Refreshing.
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