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Post by 6sader7 on Sept 5, 2018 19:36:56 GMT -5
This may have already been addressed, but for those who are unable to make the trip to BC will this game be televised outside of the Boston area (NYC) or is there a stream available?
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Post by matunuck on Sept 5, 2018 19:39:38 GMT -5
The '87 team was not going to be blown out by anyone that year....we were up 27-7 at half and 34-10 late in the Army game.... very deceptive 34-24 final score. It would have been a very good game at the very least. 100 percent correct. Was at game. |
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Post by hcpride on Sept 5, 2018 20:14:11 GMT -5
The '87 team was not going to be blown out by anyone that year....we were up 27-7 at half and 34-10 late in the Army game.... very deceptive 34-24 final score. It would have been a very good game at the very least. I know I won't convince you (heck, my purple brethren were convinced we'd play a very good complete game v BC in '82, '83, '84, and '86 and point to a half here and there wherein we did play them close prior to losing by 30ish)...but if you shift from what we did v West Point that season and look at what BC did that season ….BC lost in the last minutes to 9th ranked Notre Dame (in South Bend) by just 7 and to USC (In LA) by just 6. They defeated Pitt, Temple, Army, TCU and 15th-ranked Tennessee. (Back in my purple-tinted HC student days ['81-'84] I thought we had a few players that could have started for BC (or at least got some real playing time)...by the end of the 80's that would have no longer been the case. And of course now I'm thinking we have nobody who would make the 2nd team...which is why I think playing BC this year is a mistake.) |
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Post by gks on Sept 5, 2018 20:18:15 GMT -5
Talent gap huge no doubt. Remember this is a money game for HC. Heard rumors how much Crusaders getting but nothing official.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 5, 2018 20:26:57 GMT -5
The '87 team was not going to be blown out by anyone that year....we were up 27-7 at half and 34-10 late in the Army game.... very deceptive 34-24 final score. It would have been a very good game at the very least. I know I won't convince you (heck, my purple brethren were convinced we'd play a very good complete game v BC in '82, '83, '84, and '86 and point to a half here and there wherein we did play them close prior to losing by 30ish)...but if you shift from what we did v West Point that season and look at what BC did that season ….BC lost in the last minutes to 9th ranked Notre Dame (in South Bend) by just 7 and to USC (In LA) by just 6. They defeated Pitt, Temple, Army, TCU and 15th-ranked Tennessee. (Back in my purple-tinted HC student days ['81-'84] I thought we had a few players that could have started for BC (or at least got some real playing time)...by the end of the 80's that would have no longer been the case. And of course now I'm thinking we have nobody who would make the 2nd team...which is why I think playing BC this year is a mistake.) I'm not definitively saying we would have won...just that it would have been a decent game at the very least. The '87 HC team was getting votes in FBS polls at the end of that year....the tragedy of the '87 season is that they were literally nevah tested, every game that season was ovah by halftime, every one. |
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Post by HCFC45 on Sept 6, 2018 7:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Sept 6, 2018 8:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 6, 2018 8:47:10 GMT -5
The '87 team was not going to be blown out by anyone that year....we were up 27-7 at half and 34-10 late in the Army game.... very deceptive 34-24 final score. It would have been a very good game at the very least. I know I won't convince you (heck, my purple brethren were convinced we'd play a very good complete game v BC in '82, '83, '84, and '86 and point to a half here and there wherein we did play them close prior to losing by 30ish)...but if you shift from what we did v West Point that season and look at what BC did that season ….BC lost in the last minutes to 9th ranked Notre Dame (in South Bend) by just 7 and to USC (In LA) by just 6. They defeated Pitt, Temple, Army, TCU and 15th-ranked Tennessee. (Back in my purple-tinted HC student days ['81-'84] I thought we had a few players that could have started for BC (or at least got some real playing time)...by the end of the 80's that would have no longer been the case. And of course now I'm thinking we have nobody who would make the 2nd team... which is why I think playing BC this year is a mistake.)Obviously when the deal was signed in '14, the thought was the program would be further along with scholarships than it is now. It was a calculated risk at the time, but we all thought we'd be further along - here we are, it is what it is. It's difficult to predict the future 5 years out when a lot of these non-conference football game contracts are signed. |
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Post by hcpride on Sept 6, 2018 9:09:39 GMT -5
So those decision makers back in 2014 could not have predicted that a PL v ACC game would not be competitive in 2018?
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Post by cmo on Sept 6, 2018 9:14:08 GMT -5
So those decision makers back in 2014 could not have predicted that a PL v ACC game would not be competitive in 2018? Just not that we'd be breaking in a new staff, system and QB. If we had Dom this Saturday, he might be able to get a couple TD's. |
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Post by hcpride on Sept 6, 2018 9:25:50 GMT -5
So those decision makers back in 2014 could not have predicted that a PL v ACC game would not be competitive in 2018? Just not that we'd be breaking in a new staff, system and QB. If we had Dom this Saturday, he might be able to get a couple TD's. So last year (4-7) with an established coach/staff/system and a veteran QB we would have been competitive? Dom throwing with time/protection v BC? Perhaps. If we had Gill Finerty he might dash into the end zone and Bruce Kozerski would block his man. |
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Post by rickii on Sept 6, 2018 10:50:17 GMT -5
Just not that we'd be breaking in a new staff, system and QB. If we had Dom this Saturday, he might be able to get a couple TD's. Dom throwing with time/protection v BC? Perhaps. If we had Gill Finerty he might dash into the end zone and Bruce Kozerski would block his man. I can't grasp what happened a short time later but the team I saw vs. UConn - obviously inferior to this BC team - sure didn't look/play like the losing program it had become under Gilmore. Take that performance +PP and put it up this Saturday and pretty sure it would be competitive.
But this is like speculating the '87 team might have taken it to the subpar '87 BC team....
BEAT BC !
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Post by rickii on Sept 6, 2018 10:59:40 GMT -5
I view this game as a prelude to October 2020. Game 2 of the contract. Yes, we will lose this week - and BC has a game on Thursday- so the mercy rule with the third team will be in our play. Give coach 2 years - then we see where we are! I look forward to seeing more purple Than a game at Fitton!! Beat BC
Nothing wrong with looking at it this way....
Listen to those former players - particularly Gordie - in the hype video....what playing BC meant to them and what it means to be playing them again.
This game is great prep to get better long term....and even so when we play Syracuse and Navy.
BEAT BC !
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Post by joe on Sept 6, 2018 11:14:07 GMT -5
I wonder if any of the guys read the reader's comments after the Shaughnessy article in the Globe. They would be so pissed off and amped up you wouldn't believe it. Think about it - as statistically unlikely as a win may be, it would be a shot heard around the world, one of the biggest upsets in the history of college football really, which would change the course of HC football forever. One single win - not in a playoff or bowl, but just an otherwise meaningless (on paper) game. Awesome place of hope and dreams to live in for while. Hope Coach is having them appreciate what this is, and also visualize what could be.
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Post by cmo on Sept 6, 2018 11:39:31 GMT -5
Just not that we'd be breaking in a new staff, system and QB. If we had Dom this Saturday, he might be able to get a couple TD's. So last year (4-7) with an established coach/staff/system and a veteran QB we would have been competitive? Dom throwing with time/protection v BC? Perhaps. If we had Gill Finerty he might dash into the end zone and Bruce Kozerski would block his man. Well we were competitive vs UConn. I haven't read through all of the thread; is it your contention that we shouldn't play BC? |
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Post by hchoops on Sept 6, 2018 12:36:31 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 6, 2018 12:44:19 GMT -5
Shaugnhessy:
Picked-up pieces while changing the station every time I hear the “Kars4Kids” jingle . . .
Put me down as a Holy Cross alum who is a tad nervous about the resumption of the Boston College-Holy Cross football “rivalry.’’ The Jesuit schools played one another on the gridiron 91 times between 1896-1986 before the series was mercifully put to bed. The aggregate score of the last five meetings: BC 221, HC 60. Average score: 44-12.
The disparity is worse now. BC plays FBS football in the highly competitive Atlantic Coast Conference. The Eagles this year will play (among others) Clemson, Louisville, Virginia Tech, and Miami. Holy Cross is a member of the Patriot League and plays FCS football. The Crusaders this year will play (among others) Georgetown, Fordham, Lehigh, and Lafayette.
No one loves the good old days more than myself. I went to Holy Cross and loved it when we’d beat Army or compete with Syracuse back in the 1970s. I was in the stands when little HC last knocked off BC in 1977 and 1978 (captained by Fred Smerlas, the Eagles were 0-11 that year). I know all about HC playing in the 1946 Orange Bowl and the Crusaders’ stunning upset of the top-ranked Eagles at Fenway Park in 1942
This weekend’s joust will give the alums a great opportunity to convene and talk about the glory days. Maybe we’ll get lucky and have an appearance by BC’s retired SID legend Eddie Miller.
But the past is the past. The two schools have gone in opposite directions athletically since the last meeting 32 years ago. The Crusaders went 4-7 last year and lost to Colgate, 24-17, in this year’s opener last Saturday. The Eagles pounded UMass, 55-21, and are scheduled to play at Wake Forest and Purdue after this weekend.
The male student population at Holy Cross is approximately 1,400. This does not support a football team vs. any school from the ACC. I love a “Hoosiers” type upset more than anybody, but I’m wondering whether the Crusaders are able to compete with BC.
I put these concerns to Holy Cross athletic director Nathan Pine Wednesday and he said, “Our guys are eager for the challenge of playing Boston College. We have guys who were recruited by BC but for one reason or another, Holy Cross was a better fit. “They want to play against this level of competition, and we’re going to play the best game we can. We believe we’re going to get our feet under ourselves and play a good game on Saturday.’’
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Post by hc87 on Sept 6, 2018 12:48:11 GMT -5
I think this game killed Clark Booth.......mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa  |
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Post by joe on Sept 6, 2018 12:48:18 GMT -5
Exactly; now go look at some of the smart ass readers’ comments online.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 6, 2018 12:51:10 GMT -5
Thanks, actp
Hopefully, O’Shaughnessy is wrong
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Post by gks on Sept 6, 2018 12:57:04 GMT -5
For BC this is just another game vs. FCS. A local opponent who should bring a good crowd.
For HC it's a payday and a chance to play up and challenge yourself. For the alums it's a great trip down memory lane. Also for HC, a good showing is important in bringing back alumni support and $$$.
Those with the cash remember the rivalry and wanted it back.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 6, 2018 12:57:47 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, whatever became of Brian Leary (HC, Channel 5 in Boston sports/news)? He always seemed to find a way to support HC sports during his sports report....I think he went into law full-time but kind of forget.
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Post by rickii on Sept 6, 2018 12:59:15 GMT -5
Too brief....lacks the important background info….bringing back football scholarships, the LAC, hiring Pine, scheduling UConn, Syracuse, Navy in addition to BC and hiring Chesney. He could of also drawn an analogy to Colgate playing old rival Syracuse and Air Force of late as well.
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Post by rickii on Sept 6, 2018 13:04:52 GMT -5
I think this game killed Clark Booth.......mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poor Clark....he must be lost....disappeared just after Pine was hired and football scholarships returned.
BEAT BC !
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Post by hcpride on Sept 6, 2018 13:24:43 GMT -5
For BC this is just another game vs. FCS. A local opponent who should bring a good crowd. For HC it's a payday and a chance to play up and challenge yourself. For the alums it's a great trip down memory lane. Also for HC, a good showing is important in bringing back alumni support and $$$. Those with the cash remember the rivalry and wanted it back. From BC Confidential:
It’s BC’s annual FCS sacrifice and this is a game that really should just be a focus on getting some reps in, and letting the 2nd and 3rd string see the field. While it would be nice to see AJ Dillon run for 8 touchdowns, I wouldn’t expect him to see the field that much, especially if the Eagles jump out early. The number one thing BC should be hoping for is to escape this game with no injuries. The last thing they need is to lose a starter due to an injury against Holy Cross.
And this factoid: BC has outscored its last three FCS opponents—Wagner, Howard, and Maine—a combined 142-10
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