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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 13:25:33 GMT -5
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 6, 2018 13:52:55 GMT -5
He's dead
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 6, 2018 14:16:48 GMT -5
For the youngins, get yourself a copy of "A Farewell to Glory - The Rose and Fall of an Epic Football Rivalry - Boston College vs. Holy Cross" by Wally Carew, Ambassador Books published in 2003.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 6, 2018 14:26:45 GMT -5
I know he is....no disrespect meant to Clark, brilliant guy and great Crusader.
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Post by cruskater31 on Sept 6, 2018 14:36:27 GMT -5
www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2017/02/07/bu-hockey-beanpot-bc-fight-song/I think the folks who tried to remember alternate versions of "For Boston" can find the above post and song a bit amusing. In my pipe dreams, I can see a Holy Cross run defense managing Dillon quite well and our line moving QB Anthony Brown around to give our secondary a chance. Brown put up some great numbers (unexpected to me even against ZooMass). Even if we held the first team to 28 or so points, can we put up points against the second and third teams? We ran the ball ok but Clifford didn't come through until some Colgate second teamers mixed in packages with the first team. I doubt we do the same against BC second team. Wade into BC with Geoff Wade and maybe that comeback happens. I'm thinking a 10-14 point win for the outhouse on the hill
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 6, 2018 15:25:58 GMT -5
yes...and a bag man for JEB
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 6, 2018 15:43:08 GMT -5
So those decision makers back in 2014 could not have predicted that a PL v ACC game would not be competitive in 2018? By that logic, why schedule the game anyway, or why play at Syracuse in 2019? Why do anything?
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 6, 2018 16:31:53 GMT -5
OK, so we'll probably lose on Saturday against BC. Probably lose by a very large margin. Stupid of Dick Regan to have agreed to schedule them, right? Stupid of Nate Pine to not have wriggled out of the commitment, right?
I have a contrarian view, I suppose, as I think it was a great idea and I have to believe our players and coaches feel the same. They are not going to be entering this game scared. They will be looking forward to the challenge against the best team they will play all year.
From the T&G article that '45 posted:
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Post by sader81 on Sept 6, 2018 17:11:54 GMT -5
Is there a line on the game?? I haven’t seen one!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 6, 2018 17:22:26 GMT -5
OK, so we'll probably lose on Saturday against BC. Probably lose by a very large margin. Stupid of Dick Regan to have agreed to schedule them, right? Stupid of Nate Pine to not have wriggled out of the commitment, right? I have a contrarian view, I suppose, as I think it was a great idea and I have to believe our players and coaches feel the same. They are not going to be entering this game scared. They will be looking forward to the challenge against the best team they will play all year. From the T&G article that '45 posted: He gets it!
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 6, 2018 19:13:49 GMT -5
81, not sure what/if there is a Vegas line (where is HC70/ncaam when you need him?) but as RGS has reported:
Boston College (1-0) by 42 over HOLY CROSS (45-3) (Massey)
Boston College by 21 over HOLY CROSS (Bassett)
I suspect the "real" number is closer to 42 than 21 after what the Eagles did to UMass but my hope is we'll do better than either line.
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Post by deep Purple on Sept 6, 2018 19:20:42 GMT -5
Of all the BC teams, of all their seasons, in all their history after 30+ years, we get to play them when they have possibly the best running back in all of their history and possibly the finest rb in college f-ball - the sophomore sensation, AJ Dillon, 6'3" and 240 lbs.of ferocious speed and power. And, from what I've read he is a good student, was a true freshman and is a very decent young man. Oh, and we can't not mention BC's fine qb Anthony Brown. All those lousy BC teams over all those 30+ years and we get to play them in a year when they have a good team with some real, big time talent. Let's hope that BC mercifully pulls out its starters early in the second quarter. I hope our guys play with the same intensity and enthusiasm they displayed against Colgate and can come out of this game with heads held high. Prediction: BC 56 - HC 3 Love HC (My opening is loosely based on a famous line by Bogart in the film "Casablanca" "Of all the gin joints...") I agree 100% although I'll go with 65-14. The good news is that BC can play freshmen and retain their redshirt status. Unfortunately, BC is not going to be starting the kid from Wellesley high that started against Notre Dame a few years ago. Just going off the Umass game, this looks like one the best BC teams I've seen in a long time. I think they're going to score a lot of points without running many plays. Quick strikes and long runs. We'll get a couple of td's off their freshman in the 4th quarter.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 6, 2018 19:38:42 GMT -5
At the minimum, Chesney better cover this 42 point spread. We really need to improve upon the production at the QB position to get off to a good start. #BeatBC I have that program. My father played for the other guys😎
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Post by timholycross on Sept 6, 2018 19:45:25 GMT -5
I know I won't convince you (heck, my purple brethren were convinced we'd play a very good complete game v BC in '82, '83, '84, and '86 and point to a half here and there wherein we did play them close prior to losing by 30ish)...but if you shift from what we did v West Point that season and look at what BC did that season ….BC lost in the last minutes to 9th ranked Notre Dame (in South Bend) by just 7 and to USC (In LA) by just 6. They defeated Pitt, Temple, Army, TCU and 15th-ranked Tennessee. (Back in my purple-tinted HC student days ['81-'84] I thought we had a few players that could have started for BC (or at least got some real playing time)...by the end of the 80's that would have no longer been the case. And of course now I'm thinking we have nobody who would make the 2nd team... which is why I think playing BC this year is a mistake.)Obviously when the deal was signed in '14, the thought was the program would be further along with scholarships than it is now. It was a calculated risk at the time, but we all thought we'd be further along - here we are, it is what it is. It's difficult to predict the future 5 years out when a lot of these non-conference football game contracts are signed. pretty much what I posted as a comment to Shank's column. The Patriot League is a good five, ten years behind where we figured it would be post scholarship revival. It's a major concern of mine that the league will not improve.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 6, 2018 19:55:22 GMT -5
The '87 team was not going to be blown out by anyone that year....we were up 27-7 at half and 34-10 late in the Army game.... very deceptive 34-24 final score. It would have been a very good game at the very least. After the Army game there were several opponents that had given HC tough ballgames in 1986 (Lehigh, Bucknell, Colgate come to mind). Each of those games in 1987 were a complete blowout. BC would have been a big ramp up in competition after weeks and weeks of nobodies.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 7, 2018 6:25:26 GMT -5
After reading coverage this morning it seems the general sports writing consensus is that success for BC would be running a few real series to get the QB (Brown) and RB (AJ Dillon) some work and then moving to the deep bench to rest/protect the starters and their primary backups for Thursday's ACC game. An added PR success for BC would be to not embarrass HC via the final score. Success for HC seems to be defined as beating the 42 point spread, generally resisting the temptation to throw the ball downfield when behind (protect the QB, work the clock, guard against turnovers, etc), and limiting injuries v a bigger, stronger, faster, team. An added PR success (IMHO) would be some 4th quarter offensive sparks v BC's reserves/redshirts...that in and of itself is a tall order given that BC has outscored its last three FCS opponents—Wagner, Howard, and Maine—a combined 142-10
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Post by alum on Sept 7, 2018 7:08:07 GMT -5
After reading coverage this morning it seems the general sports writing consensus is that success for BC would be running a few real series to get the QB (Brown) and RB (AJ Dillon) some work and then moving to the deep bench to rest/protect the starters and their primary backups for Thursday's ACC game. An added PR success for BC would be to not embarrass HC via the final score. Success for HC seems to be defined as beating the 42 point spread, generally resisting the temptation to throw the ball downfield when behind (protect the QB, work the clock, guard against turnovers, etc), and limiting injuries v a bigger, stronger, faster, team. An added PR success (IMHO) would be some 4th quarter offensive sparks v BC's reserves/redshirts...that in and of itself is a tall order given that BC has outscored its last three FCS opponents—Wagner, Howard, and Maine—a combined 142-10 I think we all know that this is not a great matchup for HC, but I move that, as of now, Friday at 8:07 am, we all stop talking about that and focus on the game being a good time for us, a good experience for our team, and, if you want, crazy scenarios by which our guys could win.
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 7, 2018 7:09:34 GMT -5
Obviously when the deal was signed in '14, the thought was the program would be further along with scholarships than it is now. It was a calculated risk at the time, but we all thought we'd be further along - here we are, it is what it is. It's difficult to predict the future 5 years out when a lot of these non-conference football game contracts are signed. pretty much what I posted as a comment to Shank's column. The Patriot League is a good five, ten years behind where we figured it would be post scholarship revival. It's a major concern of mine that the league will not improve. I can't tell you if the league will improve or not, but IMO HC has had some difficulty adjusting to recruiting scholarship athletes vs. need-based. It was a difficult transition back in the early 90s as well, it seemed to take them 6-8 years to adjust and "catch up" to Colgate and Lehigh in recruiting. This isn't a knock on any of the players at all, but more recognition of the reality. If the news about future recruits is any indication, the current staff is making significant strides in addressing the issue. I think one of the biggest issues that is going to face scholarship programs in the next 20 years is fewer available athletes. Youth and high school participation numbers have been on a downward trend for a few years and it's continuing. I'm not sure I see any interruption in that trend coming soon. Some of the smaller public schools in north Jersey are fielding teams now with 35-40 kids. Eventually that trend will affect the publics and privates that historically send athletes to college on athletic scholarships. It may take 25-30 years for the full impact to be seen, but it's coming. D3 probably stands to take the biggest hit initially, but it will eventually trickle up to D1 with a specific impact TBD. I believe that's one of the biggest underlying factors as to whether or not the league stands to catch up with the rest of FCS.
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 7, 2018 8:41:02 GMT -5
in the heydays of the 80's, our teams would leave on a Friday, even for short 'bus ride' road games and stay overnight in a nearby hotel. Does anyone know if the team is leaving this afternoon, getting a workout at Alumni stadium, and staying locally tonight. (In general, I do not think our team should stay on campus before 'any' of our Saturday games, home or away - if we're going to take football seriously again)
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 7, 2018 8:50:36 GMT -5
in the heydays of the 80's, our teams would leave on a Friday, even for short 'bus ride' road games and stay overnight in a nearby hotel. Does anyone know if the team is leaving this afternoon, getting a workout at Alumni stadium, and staying locally tonight. (In general, I do not think our team should stay on campus before 'any' of our Saturday games, home or away - if we're going to take football seriously again) Don't know but could see accommodations for tonight potentially in the guarantee for the game.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 7, 2018 9:00:40 GMT -5
Squad is busing to Chestnut Hill tomorrow morn.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 7, 2018 9:09:22 GMT -5
The football team stayed in a hotel before home games in the Carter/Duffner era....
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 7, 2018 9:10:30 GMT -5
This isn't the Carter/Duffner era.
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Post by sader81 on Sept 7, 2018 9:15:01 GMT -5
The football team stayed in a hotel before home games in the Carter/Duffner era.... Doherty & Wheelwright era as well
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Post by td128 on Sept 7, 2018 9:15:59 GMT -5
Might we see something like this coming down the Mass Pike and pulling into Chestnut Hill tomorrow morning?
Let's Win!!
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