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Post by Tom on Dec 22, 2018 20:59:55 GMT -5
From the Telegram
WORCESTER — During Saturday’s game against Siena at the Hart Center, the Holy Cross men’s basketball team found itself in a familiar position — trailing by 10 in the second half.
The Crusaders, led by senior center Jehyve Floyd’s inspired play, rallied from the same deficit Thursday to beat Canisius.
Floyd was right in the middle of excitement again Saturday, as the Crusaders took charge late to defeat the Saints, 60-57.
“It’s really good we got two come-from-behind wins,” HC sophomore guard Caleb Green said. “It really shows us growing up, maturity wise. It’s really awesome, especially going into break.”
The Crusaders (8-4) headed home for Christmas after the game, winners of two straight, and four of their last five.
Photos: Holy Cross defeats Siena 60 - 57
“You talk about coming back from 10 to win,” Holy Cross coach Bill Carmody said, “but I’m more concerned with, ‘Why are we down 10 two games in a row?’ You can’t make that a habit and be successful over 30 games. It just doesn’t work.”
Siena freshman forward Sloan Seymour’s 3-pointer put the Saints in front, 47-37, with 11:48 left.
Holy Cross sophomore forward Austin Butler then buried back-to-back 3s to bring up the energy on the floor, on the bench and in the stands.
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Photos: Holy Cross defeats Siena 60 - 57
“After the second one,” Butler said, “we were like, ‘OK, let’s go.’ ”
Butler’s baskets ignited a 17-2 HC run that turned the 10-point deficit into a 54-49 lead with 6:35 left.
After Butler’s 3s, Siena senior forward Eric Fisher made a layup, but Green hit Floyd for a layup that began a string of 11 straight Holy Cross points.
Floyd made a beautiful pass underneath to sophomore Jacob Grandison, then scored to tie it, 49-49. Grandison sank a 3 and Butler’s reverse layup concluded the run.
The Saints regained the lead, 57-56, following consecutive 3s by freshman guard Jimmy Ratliff and senior forward Kevin Degnan with 2:10 to go, but Butler, off a pass from Grandison, and Green, with an assist from Floyd, scored the last two baskets of the game.
Siena got the ball back with 23 seconds left. Holy Cross had a couple fouls to give and, up three, decided to send freshman guard Jalen Pickett to the line for a one-and-one with 6.7 seconds on the clock. Pickett missed the first and Butler came down with the rebound.
“It was just trusting each other,” Butler said. “We kept doing our stuff and we knew we just needed one run to get back in the game. We just locked down on defense and focused on our offensive stuff, took our time to get what we wanted and that got us back in the game. We played well as a team down the stretch.”
With 18 points, Butler led four Holy Cross scorers in double figures. Grandison added 14 points and 7 rebounds, Floyd 14 points, 8 rebounds and 5 assists, and Green 12 points and 5 assists.
HC beat Siena (4-8) earlier this season in the Basketball Hall of Fame Tip-Off Tournament at Mohegan Sun. This marked the first time since the 2013-14 season that Holy Cross played a non-conference opponent twice in the same season. That year, HC faced Hartford two times, the first in the Basketball Hall of Fame Tip-Off Tournament.
In their 57-45 win over Siena on Nov. 18, HC held the Saints to 5 for 24 from 3-point territory.
Siena came into the Hart Center averaging 29 attempts from long range on the season.
“All we concentrated on (before Saturday’s game) was ‘just don’t let them have any 3s,’” Carmody said, “because that’s what this team is. I don’t want them to get them off. I don’t care if the guy rolls to the basket and gets a layup. It looks bad and everyone says it’s terrible defense, but I don’t care. They’re not going to beat you making 2s.”
The Saints attempted 29 first-half shots, 20 of them were from behind the arc.
“We just didn’t pay attention to that,” Carmody said.
Siena made 6 of 20 3-point attempts in the first half and led the Crusaders, 31-26, at the break.
HC, which leads the Patriot League with 18.1 assists per game, struggled to move the ball and get its offense going early. HC had just four assists in the first half.
“We picked it up in the second half,” Green said, “we started moving the ball, cutting hard, and you see the results.”
The Crusaders shot 61 percent in the second half and Green and Floyd combined for eight second-half assists.
″(In the first half) we were trying to do too much,” Carmody said. “We’ve got this guy in the middle, throw it down to him, cut. He’s a very willing passer. Why are we trying to do all this tricky stuff? Let’s be very straightforward about it. It was pretty effective. We started throwing the ball down. Guys started cutting and passing and it looked pretty. It was nice.”
Siena finished 9-33 from 3-point territory.
Fisher led Siena with 17 points and nine rebounds. Pickett added 14 points and eight assists.
Holy Cross returns to action Dec. 30 at Iona, which is the first of three straight road games. The Crusaders improved to 4-0 at the Hart Center thus far this season.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 22, 2018 21:05:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Tom
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Post by Tom on Dec 22, 2018 21:06:30 GMT -5
It's a good day when we can complain about the concessions
When they turned one of the concession stands into a clothing store, things got a little crowded for a typical game and just ridiculous for a big game. Now it is being run like a place in Chapter 11, unable to handle a small crowd
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Post by cmo on Dec 22, 2018 21:10:46 GMT -5
I hope Air Force fans are ready for terrible concessions 😃
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Post by cmo on Dec 22, 2018 21:11:27 GMT -5
Bring back the old guy with the fried dough
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 22, 2018 21:20:51 GMT -5
The concession stand operation @ The Hart is now run by the local Papa Gino’s franchise instead of Holy Cross Dining, AKA Ma Kimball.This change was recently made. I believe Thursday’s game was their first. They did not seem to have their act together in either the Canisius or Siena games. On Thursday they did not have Hot Dogs, today they were not open when I arrived at 11:15. Obviously vast room for improvement by Papa Gino’s. Agree Crucis. I bring my oldest (yet still very young) daughter to one game a year. My wife brings her down early in first half. No 'zels, no barkers, no 'za, no large popcorn- they filled two soda cups. She was bummed (and also no Iggy made her sad, but she's too young to grasp the explanation). The real puzzler though is why the concession stand seemingly shuts down every game early in the 2nd half. Another puzzler is why the swag stand closes before game ends. Guess the operators don't grasp that many like to grab swag on the way out like at every other sports venue. In short - the "family fun" experience needs improvement. On a positive note - like others have mentioned, it was refreshing to see a lot of young kids in groups in the stands, including many from an hour away on the Rt. 2 corridor.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2018 21:26:36 GMT -5
On a semi-positive note, it was my 3 year old grandson’s first game.
The good news, we got a win. The bad news was he likes the color green, so he was sort of rooting for Siena. Purple is his favorite color but wearing home whites, I couldn’t convince him that he should root for Holy Cross.
His 6 year old sister, on the other hand, has been to many games and knows who to root for - as long as we don’t play any team whose school colors is pink! In the good old days, she was photographed at the DCU at courtside at I think it was UMass wearing her HC cheerleader costume attire with Iggy that they would show pre-game on all our CBS sports network games. No more Iggy, no more CBS, no more 3 seconds of fame for granddaughter.😉
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 22, 2018 21:27:08 GMT -5
Venues and concession stands baffle me. In most places the venue bids out the concession business, and after the concessionaire pays for the rights to sell food and drinks it overcharges for everything . This is the "captive audience model". Don't some MLB stadia have $8.00 or $9.00 beers? Maybe higher in some places. In such situations I always think: you can sell me one beer at $9.00 or 4 at $5.00 each. You'll make more $$$ at $5.00. Some minor league baseball parks understand this and charge reasonable prices for good food.
Now on to Hart: I have not been there in decades but I'm getting a picture of the situation. How much money can HC make on concessions? Here's what I'd do: sell high quality hot dogs, burger, pizza, popcorn with a minimal markup, e.g. $1.95 for a hot dog. You'll make little profit there, but then again the college is not in existence to generate a profit. Charge McDonald's prices for soft drinks and you'll still make a fortune, rather than sell at the typical huge stadium margin. Sell beer at tavern prices and you'll make plenty of profit there. You'll likely generate greater profit under this strategy than with the gouge-em method and you'll have much happier fans. The typical basketball fan with a few kids (I'm talking middle class, not a man of wealth like 92) will feel he's getting a good value for a great experience and he'll want to take the kids. You'll build attendance that way.
I've not been to Augusta National but friends who have been there tell me that there is no gouging--a Coke is like $1.00 and a pimiento cheese sandwich $1.50--the club probably figures that "we're making tens of millions of $$$ on the Masters broadcast rights and tickets, we don't need to fleece people at the concession stand
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2018 21:31:29 GMT -5
In sum, same philosophy as lower priced game tickets - “make it up in volume.”
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Post by HC92 on Dec 22, 2018 21:31:55 GMT -5
From the Telegram WORCESTER — During Saturday’s game against Siena at the Hart Center, the Holy Cross men’s basketball team found itself in a familiar position — trailing by 10 in the second half. The Crusaders, led by senior center Jehyve Floyd’s inspired play, rallied from the same deficit Thursday to beat Canisius. Floyd was right in the middle of excitement again Saturday, as the Crusaders took charge late to defeat the Saints, 60-57. “It’s really good we got two come-from-behind wins,” HC sophomore guard Caleb Green said. “It really shows us growing up, maturity wise. It’s really awesome, especially going into break.” The Crusaders (8-4) headed home for Christmas after the game, winners of two straight, and four of their last five. Photos: Holy Cross defeats Siena 60 - 57 “You talk about coming back from 10 to win,” Holy Cross coach Bill Carmody said, “but I’m more concerned with, ‘Why are we down 10 two games in a row?’ You can’t make that a habit and be successful over 30 games. It just doesn’t work.” Siena freshman forward Sloan Seymour’s 3-pointer put the Saints in front, 47-37, with 11:48 left. Holy Cross sophomore forward Austin Butler then buried back-to-back 3s to bring up the energy on the floor, on the bench and in the stands. Related content Photos: Holy Cross defeats Siena 60 - 57 “After the second one,” Butler said, “we were like, ‘OK, let’s go.’ ” Butler’s baskets ignited a 17-2 HC run that turned the 10-point deficit into a 54-49 lead with 6:35 left. After Butler’s 3s, Siena senior forward Eric Fisher made a layup, but Green hit Floyd for a layup that began a string of 11 straight Holy Cross points. Floyd made a beautiful pass underneath to sophomore Jacob Grandison, then scored to tie it, 49-49. Grandison sank a 3 and Butler’s reverse layup concluded the run. The Saints regained the lead, 57-56, following consecutive 3s by freshman guard Jimmy Ratliff and senior forward Kevin Degnan with 2:10 to go, but Butler, off a pass from Grandison, and Green, with an assist from Floyd, scored the last two baskets of the game. Siena got the ball back with 23 seconds left. Holy Cross had a couple fouls to give and, up three, decided to send freshman guard Jalen Pickett to the line for a one-and-one with 6.7 seconds on the clock. Pickett missed the first and Butler came down with the rebound. “It was just trusting each other,” Butler said. “We kept doing our stuff and we knew we just needed one run to get back in the game. We just locked down on defense and focused on our offensive stuff, took our time to get what we wanted and that got us back in the game. We played well as a team down the stretch.” With 18 points, Butler led four Holy Cross scorers in double figures. Grandison added 14 points and 7 rebounds, Floyd 14 points, 8 rebounds and 5 assists, and Green 12 points and 5 assists. HC beat Siena (4-8) earlier this season in the Basketball Hall of Fame Tip-Off Tournament at Mohegan Sun. This marked the first time since the 2013-14 season that Holy Cross played a non-conference opponent twice in the same season. That year, HC faced Hartford two times, the first in the Basketball Hall of Fame Tip-Off Tournament. In their 57-45 win over Siena on Nov. 18, HC held the Saints to 5 for 24 from 3-point territory. Siena came into the Hart Center averaging 29 attempts from long range on the season. “All we concentrated on (before Saturday’s game) was ‘just don’t let them have any 3s,’” Carmody said, “because that’s what this team is. I don’t want them to get them off. I don’t care if the guy rolls to the basket and gets a layup. It looks bad and everyone says it’s terrible defense, but I don’t care. They’re not going to beat you making 2s.” The Saints attempted 29 first-half shots, 20 of them were from behind the arc. “We just didn’t pay attention to that,” Carmody said. Siena made 6 of 20 3-point attempts in the first half and led the Crusaders, 31-26, at the break. HC, which leads the Patriot League with 18.1 assists per game, struggled to move the ball and get its offense going early. HC had just four assists in the first half. “We picked it up in the second half,” Green said, “we started moving the ball, cutting hard, and you see the results.” The Crusaders shot 61 percent in the second half and Green and Floyd combined for eight second-half assists. ″(In the first half) we were trying to do too much,” Carmody said. “We’ve got this guy in the middle, throw it down to him, cut. He’s a very willing passer. Why are we trying to do all this tricky stuff? Let’s be very straightforward about it. It was pretty effective. We started throwing the ball down. Guys started cutting and passing and it looked pretty. It was nice.” Siena finished 9-33 from 3-point territory. Fisher led Siena with 17 points and nine rebounds. Pickett added 14 points and eight assists. Holy Cross returns to action Dec. 30 at Iona, which is the first of three straight road games. The Crusaders improved to 4-0 at the Hart Center thus far this season. Kind of burying the lead with no mention at all of Concessiongate.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 22, 2018 21:34:09 GMT -5
See what you started
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Post by efg72 on Dec 22, 2018 21:40:24 GMT -5
Venues and concession stands baffle me. In most places the venue bids out the concession business, and after the concessionaire pays for the rights to sell food and drinks it overcharges for everything . This is the "captive audience model". Don't some MLB stadia have $8.00 or $9.00 beers? Maybe higher in some places. In such situations I always think: you can sell me one beer at $9.00 or 4 at $5.00 each. You'll make more $$$ at $5.00. Some minor league baseball parks understand this and charge reasonable prices for good food. Now on to Hart: I have not been there in decades but I'm getting a picture of the situation. How much money can HC make on concessions? Here's what I'd do: sell high quality hot dogs, burger, pizza, popcorn with a minimal markup, e.g. $1.95 for a hot dog. You'll make little profit there, but then again the college is not in existence to generate a profit. Charge McDonald's prices for soft drinks and you'll still make a fortune, rather than sell at the typical huge stadium margin. Sell beer at tavern prices and you'll make plenty of profit there. You'll likely generate greater profit under this strategy than with the gouge-em method and you'll have much happier fans. The typical basketball fan with a few kids (I'm talking middle class, not a man of wealth like 92) will feel he's getting a good value for a great experience and he'll want to take the kids. You'll build attendance that way. I've not been to Augusta National but friends who have been there tell me that there is no gouging--a Coke is like $1.00 and a pimiento cheese sandwich $1.50--the club probably figures that "we're making tens of millions of $$$ on the Masters broadcast rights and tickets, we don't need to fleece people at the concession stand Volume vs price model works across commercial sectors-so hard to believe those managing a business don’t comprehend
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 22, 2018 22:20:18 GMT -5
It's a good day when we can complain about the concessions When they turned one of the concession stands into a clothing store, things got a little crowded for a typical game and just ridiculous for a big game. Now it is being run like a place in Chapter 11, unable to handle a small crowd Is Pine still the AD?
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Post by joe on Dec 22, 2018 22:43:24 GMT -5
Well I’m glad I brought this up, again. Admittedly this is a first world problem but this dumb concession stand has epitomized to me for years how HC often screws up some of the easiest little details and makes me wonder who’s minding the store. I was there at 11 with my kids and tried to get a hot dog from 11 to 11:45. Do they not realize some of us are coming from distances and if a game starts at 12, a lot of folks are pressed for time and plan to grab lunch? C’mon, this is low hanging fruit; get it right. You want fans? Give them an f-ing hot dog and a coke. This is how you lose family fans.
I gotta look some of you section F/I guys at some point. No hockey this year has enabled us to get out to a few more games than befor. Anyway I’m one of the guys screaming at the refs.
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 22, 2018 22:47:51 GMT -5
I just returned from the game, a 70 mile trip one way. It was my first basketball game in about 5 years, and I was not impressed. I left when Holy Cross was down by 10 in the second half, as I had enough. Although I'm glad the Cross pulled it out, I just could not watch this type of basketball. The Cross missed too many easy chip shots, and their rebounding is totally unsatisfactory. Plus, I hate watching that Princeton style of offense, because it is very slow paced. When I left, I thought Siena was going to blow the game open. To beat this team by only 3 on your own home court is not a good sign. Sorry, but you chose poorly!
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 23, 2018 3:00:56 GMT -5
Papa Gino’s has been there all this year at be concession stand. Yesterday wasn’t the first game for them.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 23, 2018 7:38:29 GMT -5
Joe, from past experience I know not to even try having a basic lunch at the Hart. Knowing the grandchildren (I think about your kids ages) were coming, their father and them met their uncle and me at Panera’s at Blackstone Shoppes for lunch.
If school was is session, the place in Hogan basement has excellent pizza and food but that opens at noon, I think. OK for football games.
Certainly not the biggest complaint but one that should be fixed.
While he is probably no longer physically in the house, believe this is still Nate’s watch. Don’t expect any change soon.
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Post by bigfan on Dec 23, 2018 8:00:00 GMT -5
Pardon the following statement but the "concession stand" SUCKS. Besides being overpriced they do not have coffee, candy or other items that they had in previous years. The hot dogs were not ready until 11:45 and the buns were cold and half frozen. The girls running the operation did not know what they were doing. Bring back the prior years people who knew how to run the operation.
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Post by wstruz71 on Dec 23, 2018 8:05:44 GMT -5
I just returned from the game, a 70 mile trip one way. It was my first basketball game in about 5 years, and I was not impressed. I left when Holy Cross was down by 10 in the second half, as I had enough. Although I'm glad the Cross pulled it out, I just could not watch this type of basketball. The Cross missed too many easy chip shots, and their rebounding is totally unsatisfactory. Plus, I hate watching that Princeton style of offense, because it is very slow paced. When I left, I thought Siena was going to blow the game open. To beat this team by only 3 on your own home court is not a good sign. Having gone to a lot of games over the last five years, I was pretty confident we would pull it out despite not playing well for long stretches so I stuck around after making a similar drive. Hope we play perfectly for your next game in the 2023-24 season. Actually HC92, I have tickets for 4 more games this season, Loyal, Navy, Bucknell, and American.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 23, 2018 8:21:21 GMT -5
Been a season ticket holder forever, and I don’t recall the last time I used the concession stand. I did have a couple chilli dogs with the guy who set up a stand in a lobby a few years ago; bring him back! I am spoiled, as about half way up on my 90 mile ride is Rein’s deli in Vernon, whom I call when I hit Hartford, and my pastrami Rueben fresser is ready when I arrive. It’s not cheap, but an awfully good sandwich!
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Post by HC92 on Dec 23, 2018 8:26:13 GMT -5
Been a season ticket holder forever, and I don’t recall the last time I used the concession stand. I did have a couple chilli dogs with the guy who set up a stand in a lobby a few years ago; bring him back! I am spoiled, as about half way up on my 90 mile ride is Rein’s deli in Vernon, whom I call when I hit Hartford, and my pastrami Rueben fresser is ready when I arrive. It’s not cheap, but an awfully good sandwich! I stopped at Rein’s on my way up on Thursday. That was our regular stop on our way up or back when we’d go up to games when I in high school. That was so long ago that the place was across the street from where it is now.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 23, 2018 8:28:00 GMT -5
Having gone to a lot of games over the last five years, I was pretty confident we would pull it out despite not playing well for long stretches so I stuck around after making a similar drive. Hope we play perfectly for your next game in the 2023-24 season. Actually HC92, I have tickets for 4 more games this season, Loyal, Navy, Bucknell, and American. Good man. Now just stick it out until the end. Come sit in Section I. If the game stinks, you’ll definitely be entertained by some classic lines from your fellow fans.
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Post by cmo on Dec 23, 2018 8:53:44 GMT -5
And maybe sit with some special guests 😃
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Post by hcnation on Dec 23, 2018 9:25:58 GMT -5
Telegram “Siena got the ball back with 23 seconds left. Holy Cross had a couple fouls to give and, up three, decided to send freshman guard Jalen Pickett to the line for a one-and-one with 6.7 seconds on the clock. Pickett missed the first and Butler came down with the rebound.”
I remember the ending as -After Pickett missed the free throw , Siena grabbed the long rebound, then Pickett missed a three witn Butler grabbing board with clock going to zero.
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Post by possum on Dec 23, 2018 9:29:26 GMT -5
Considering tickets were $2.00 and at least a couple hundred of the fans came from Siena don't think turnout was very good. Hopefully will try this again later in season after holidays are over and with a mid afternoon start so not conflicting with youth activities.
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