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Post by rgs318 on Feb 10, 2019 15:13:53 GMT -5
SoV,
How many PL tournaments did each coach win? Forget? How about post season winning games by HC anywhere?
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Post by purplepig on Feb 10, 2019 15:15:38 GMT -5
This was an ugly loss to another poor rebounding team. Laf can do one thing: shoot from outside. Everybody knows that. That is all. Their coach is a long-time loser who uses frequent substitutions as a substitute for strategy. That worked today in Easton against BC. Good teams have to sweep teams like Lafayette. Lehigh has and Bucknell will.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 10, 2019 15:21:42 GMT -5
SoV, How many PL tournaments did each coach win? Forget? How about post season winning games by HC anywhere? The 2015-16 season (aka, the "best 20-loss season in program history") was exciting. It didn't earn this staff tenure.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 10, 2019 15:25:21 GMT -5
WG, Interesting answer (to some other question?). Was it intended to address the one I asked?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 10, 2019 15:27:08 GMT -5
SoV, How many PL tournaments did each coach win? Forget? How about post season winning games by HC anywhere? Carmody won one. Unfortunately, he has never capitalized on it, and we are on our way to four straight losing seasons. Time for a change of guard.
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Post by possum on Feb 10, 2019 15:43:10 GMT -5
Very disheartening loss, to play as badly as we did in the first half only to come back and take the lead then let it slip away again was disappointing. Lafayette broke out to its big lead in the first half with our bench on the floor. It's amazing we're tied for last place in the league and somehow still have an overall winning record, don't know if that means we're playing much worse in league or that our OOC opponents were really bad. We are not getting enough from Grandison and Green to be successful. Kind of scary to think that our final six games are against the four best teams in the league and BU who is the biggest Jekyll and Hyde team in the league. Crossisback says this was a momentum killing loss not sure what momentum he's referring to as we've lost 2 of last 3 and 6 of last 8 games.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 10, 2019 15:49:41 GMT -5
The coaching in this league is often an absolute joke....BC not playing some M2M and FOH not fouling there late are 2 greivous examples of this. I've faced more consistently bettah coaching in the HS ranks this season.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 10, 2019 15:53:13 GMT -5
It's amazing we're tied for last place in the league and somehow still have an overall winning record, don't know if that means we're playing much worse in league or that our OOC opponents were really bad.Both, I think. At the beginning of conference play, our non-conference SoS was 189 - it's now 239, indicating our OOC opponents are much weaker than it appeared at the time.
With the exception of the Navy games and Army #2, our defense has been regularly torched in conference play. Seems our PL brethren have been preparing much better for us than OOC opponents did - and much better than we have been preparing for them.
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Post by crosspride on Feb 10, 2019 15:54:36 GMT -5
On the bright side, only have to win 5 games in March and we can then see how our rebounding holds up vs Duke!
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 10, 2019 17:13:36 GMT -5
SOV, please tell me you are suggesting we bring back Milan!! BTW, this was not a "must win" game. We had a bunch of "must win" games but they were about 5 losses ago. As they used to say on the Lone Ranger, I will take you back to "yesteryear." We were pre-season picks to finish in the middle of the pack. After the OOC schedule many of us - at least me - thought we had a decent shot to be a contendah (that's for you, 87) and maybe win the regular season championship and guarantee a post season game or more. Now we are at the bottom of the heap and seem to be regressing. Lafayette hit 11 3 pointers in the first half! And the vast majority of them were totally uncontested and looked like pre-game practice shots. 1. It seems every team in the PL gets the same open looks. 2. Lafayette, even I knew, was going to live and die by the 3. The good news, we made some adjustments and came back to actually take the lead. The bad news is that we waited until halftime and a 12 point deficit before we did that. The game plan started out wrong. But this is deja vu all over again. We've had multiple threads about the opposing teams open 3s; the complete lack of rebounding efforts. In the big picture, nothing has changed - at least not for the better. This season is a dumpster fire not at all unlike some of Milan's. Do you recall how we speculated that perhaps part of the problem with Milan's teams was that his assistants and he had groupthink? Is the problem with our coaching that Carmody's assistants either cannot or will not suggest different solutions? And, sorry, I don't buy that the players we have are not as good as what other PL teams have.
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Post by possum on Feb 10, 2019 17:24:03 GMT -5
RGS you think the players deserve better fans well I think that the way things have gone around here the last ten years they're lucky to have fans at all. We are in last place in what just about everyone thought was going to be the turnaround season. That being the case it's not an unfair comment to think we need better players/coaches. I know you are thrilled with the miracle run and the win in the play in game but we did not build on that success and are still a floundering program. Fans getting fed up with continued losing seasons is not an unreasonable reaction.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 10, 2019 18:01:27 GMT -5
It is not an unreasonable at all. However, the way it is expressed...such as writing off all the players on this team...I find most unreasonable. The players deserve better. Also, propaganda (the selective presentation of facts to prove a pre-determined point of view) to reinforce a poster's dislike of coaches I also find objectionable. If someone says we did not capitalize on the PL championship to the greatest extent possible, that is certainly correct. Why not let it go at that.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 10, 2019 18:30:59 GMT -5
Did you know that in the 66 PL regular season games going back to the 2015-16 season, we haven't had a winning streak of longer than two games? Amazing.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 10, 2019 18:42:20 GMT -5
I think the notion that the non conference record was better because the teams were weaker was a bit misleading. If you pull out the top 3 teams in the non conference sched, and put them side by side with PL opponents.........does this comparison justify such a difference in won-loss records? Bucknell Stony Brook Lehigh Harvard Colgate UMass American Canisius BU Siena Army Fairleigh Dickinson Navy Sacred Heart Loyola Iona Lafayette Albany
I don't see much of a difference, certainly not enough to explain 4-9 vs. 9-4. Familiarity....... I am interested in one other thing (and I'm not big on stats): Ralph Willard always said he recruited kids for what he hoped they would become starting in their junior years. I took this to mean he placed a great deal of emphasis on his junior-senior nucleus. For any of you metric guys out there - I'd love to see how our upperclassmen compare against the rest of the league. Now - I am NOT saying this had any bearing on today's game, because it didn't. But I do wonder if other teams are getting more out of their older guys. Pretty much no doubt now....things are going to have to be accomplished the hard way.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 10, 2019 18:51:27 GMT -5
Very simple solution to this mess. We need better players! Period Bring on the class of ‘23 Floyd’s inability to shoot ft’s (was today and) is a big problem going forward And perhaps the players deserve better fans. If you are ready to blow off this sophomore class, they certainly deserve better. Don't believe haze is insinuating the sophomore class is the issue. He's most likely referring to the non-existent junior and freshmen classes this season.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 10, 2019 18:53:18 GMT -5
Very simple solution to this mess. We need better players! Period Bring on the class of ‘23 Floyd’s inability to shoot ft’s (was today and) is a big problem going forward And perhaps the players deserve better fans. If you are ready to blow off this sophomore class, they certainly deserve better. Well, that's 6 guys if you like all of them. You need more than 6. So it's possible to like them and at the same time be concerned about who he's bringing in, especially in the entering class of 2020 because they'll be seniors then.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 10, 2019 18:56:14 GMT -5
I think the notion that the non conference record was better because the teams were weaker was a bit misleading. Current KP rankings of our non-conference wins: Sacred Heart - 239 Stony Brook - 159 Siena 2x - 248 Albany - 281 FDU - 226 UMass - 216 Canisius - 255 Iona - 245 For the most part, all sub-par teams. But, at least we were beating the teams ranked sub 200. Now, we're consistently losing to them. I do believe that PL teams are much better prepared for our offense and defense than some in the OOC were.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 10, 2019 18:57:47 GMT -5
That’s correct, SOV I am 100 pct behind the players and coaches and believe that they have recruited very well for next season. I am simply saying that we need to attract even better players to compete for a championship, IMO. And I want Carmody as our coach
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Post by timholycross on Feb 10, 2019 19:03:12 GMT -5
How short is the shortest incoming guy? By default will there not be two little guys out there at the same time in 2019-20? Don't take that as a knock on Pat or Caleb, just that I can't stand watching teams rain threes over two smaller people.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 10, 2019 19:09:08 GMT -5
Did you know that in the 66 PL regular season games going back to the 2015-16 season, we haven't had a winning streak of longer than two games? Amazing. Who on earth woulda thunk that a gameplan/program philosophy of “make more shots than the other team” wouldn’t produce consistent results!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 10, 2019 19:18:01 GMT -5
How short is the shortest incoming guy? By default will there not be two little guys out there at the same time in 2019-20? Don't take that as a knock on Pat or Caleb, just that I can't stand watching teams rain threes over two smaller people. Lowder is listed anywhere 5-11 to 6-1, probably closer to the former. If he is as good as some posters think, hard to believe he will just be caddying for Caleb for two years.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 10, 2019 19:25:51 GMT -5
Even for the small group of posters who seem to feel the PLTC in 2016 gives this staff a pass for the half-life of strontium-90, there has to be a point at which even they think a change might be in order. One poster has said 15 wins is ok with him - if we end up 15-17 (6-12), which is a distinct possibility, is that really ok? Does HC give Carmody a two year extension? A brand new five-year contract? Do nothing and let the program twist in the wind next season, the final year of his current contract?
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Post by gks on Feb 10, 2019 19:43:50 GMT -5
Did you know that in the 66 PL regular season games going back to the 2015-16 season, we haven't had a winning streak of longer than two games? Amazing. Talent for the grind of the league schedule just hasn't been there.
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Post by letsgohc on Feb 10, 2019 19:50:39 GMT -5
How short is the shortest incoming guy? By default will there not be two little guys out there at the same time in 2019-20? Don't take that as a knock on Pat or Caleb, just that I can't stand watching teams rain threes over two smaller people. How tall is Grandison? Faw? Butler? Floyd? All had players hit 3s over them this season. Does it ease you happier when that happens?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 10, 2019 19:51:09 GMT -5
Caleb Green's production/efficiency is down dramatically of late. In the last 7 games his O-Ratings (per KenPom) have been 51-97-118-81-58-75-62 as he has shot 11-34 on twos and 9-25 on threes. In those 7 games he's had 9 assists and 10 turnovers, a ratio that is out of line with how we know he usually plays. Is he nursing an injury or wearing down from heavy use this season?
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