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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 13, 2019 19:28:27 GMT -5
EO was from Orinda CA. Orinda is in the east bay, near Moraga (St. Mary’s of California)
Don’t forget Eric Green from Mountain House, California.
HC teams other than Basketball are recruiting and retaining students successfully from California and the west. On quick perusal, Men’s soccer has 5 from California, Volleyball has 8 from California, Softball has 6. Football has 4.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 13, 2019 20:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 13, 2019 20:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jul 13, 2019 21:34:58 GMT -5
That would put him in the first class of non-scholarship players and the last class of scholarship players was good and deep. No wonder I forgot him and probably didn't know him in the first place.
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Post by Ray on Jul 13, 2019 22:16:52 GMT -5
There was a Cali kid in the Willard year’s who transferred back home, wasn’t there? Name escapes me.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 13, 2019 22:36:46 GMT -5
There was a Cali kid in the Willard year’s who transferred back home, wasn’t there? Name escapes me. Josh Kramer?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 13, 2019 22:40:51 GMT -5
Bison, you beat me to the answer. Yes, Josh Kramer played for HC 2003-2004. He played at Torrey Pines HS.
He transferred to Concordia in California.
Not to be confused with Concordia in NY or Minnesota. There are eight universities named Concordia in the United States operated by the Lutheran Church.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 13, 2019 22:57:56 GMT -5
I believe Josh played professionally in Germany after graduating from Concordia
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Post by rickii on Jul 14, 2019 9:32:55 GMT -5
To me the discussion to have (in another thread perhaps) relates to team sports, particularly basketball, having gone from a “team-first” mentality to a constant jockeying-for-position “me-first” mentality, from the pros to college to high school to AAU to rec league. A large part of that is a misuse/abuse of social media to play both sides of the “team” vs “me” coin, as well as the over-involvement of parents, mostly fathers. Rather than players taking any responsibility for poor results, nowadays they transfer. College is about an education first. These kids are being failed in their education by being allowed (virtually encouraged via the NCAA transfer portal) to be me-first people. This is wrong in my opinion and particularly contrary to HC’s “men and women for others” philosophy. [ Good Lord...now he’s selfish... Can we just say the kid wasn’t happy and leave it at that
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Post by efg72 on Jul 14, 2019 10:08:34 GMT -5
Look at the workforce and the difference with Millennials and Gen Z’s—it explains the ever growing list of transfers across the country. There is constant movement after 18-24 months in a role to find a better place for development, growth and happiness. To me it is not surprising to see this rate of turnover and for it to start in high school or college.
I wish Grandison luck and success and the same to Green if he too makes the jump. IMHO Green with be the bigger loss for this upcoming season, but I think Grandison might be missed more over the next two years.
Anyway time for a fresh start and let it begin today
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 14, 2019 10:25:19 GMT -5
To me the discussion to have (in another thread perhaps) relates to team sports, particularly basketball, having gone from a “team-first” mentality to a constant jockeying-for-position “me-first” mentality, from the pros to college to high school to AAU to rec league. A large part of that is a misuse/abuse of social media to play both sides of the “team” vs “me” coin, as well as the over-involvement of parents, mostly fathers. Rather than players taking any responsibility for poor results, nowadays they transfer. College is about an education first. These kids are being failed in their education by being allowed (virtually encouraged via the NCAA transfer portal) to be me-first people. This is wrong in my opinion and particularly contrary to HC’s “men and women for others” philosophy. [ Good Lord...now he’s selfish... Can we just say the kid wasn’t happy and leave it at that . He might actually not have been unhappy, but rather always had a dream to attend Cal Berkeley and his Athletic and Academic achievement at HC now makes that possible. That of course is pure speculation, but there wasn't a hint of any unhappiness on this board before he was reported to be in the portal.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 14, 2019 10:28:17 GMT -5
His athletic achievement does NOT make Cal or any other power 5 team a possibility Do not know about the academic part.
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Post by trimster on Jul 14, 2019 10:44:43 GMT -5
Look at the workforce and the difference with Millennials and Gen Z’s—it explains the ever growing list of transfers across the country. There is constant movement after 18-24 months in a role to find a better place for development, growth and happiness. To me it is not surprising to see this rate of turnover and for it to start in high school or college. I wish Grandison luck and success and the same to Green if he too makes the jump. IMHO Green with be the bigger loss for this upcoming season, but I think Grandison might be missed more over the next two years. Anyway time for a fresh start and let it begin today I agree about Green particularly since Coach Nelson would be left with one point guard and he is a frosh. Maybe Yeutter can play the point. I also think Green is very solid.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 14, 2019 10:52:48 GMT -5
Hoops, what I learned from all the varsity blues articles is that at some (most?) elite colleges that typically get more qualified applicants than they can admit, having a coach inform Admissions a particular applicant is a recruited athelete (even a recruited walk-on) can be the difference between admission and rejection.
What I am speculating is that the combined athletic and academic achievement coming out of prep school may not have been enough for him to be a recruited walk-on at Cal, or gain admission on his own but his combined achievement at HC now makes him eligible to be a recruited transfer walk-on.
I feel a bit smarmy doing all this speculating about another actual person, but it is the general concepts about college sports, admissions, selectivity, etc. that I find fascinating and I have the highest regard for the player and his parents no matter what they decide.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 14, 2019 10:56:03 GMT -5
Cal would not expend one of its 13 hoops scholarships for 3 years of Jacob playing 2. Period
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 14, 2019 11:02:27 GMT -5
Really would be nice to hear about something that's been happening on the recruiting trail this weekend. Have sleuthed a bit and come up empty (breezy???).
At the present, anyhow, just feel the need to bump the future ahead of the past.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 14, 2019 11:12:22 GMT -5
Transfers in and out are the name of the game in D1 right now. I could see grandy sitting for a year, gaining 20 pounds, working on his game,and helping a pretty good team. I’ve also seen transfer waivers (geography-based) quite a bit lately but that’s another story.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 14, 2019 11:21:43 GMT -5
MM, the 2019 population estimate for California is 39.75 million people. Cal Berkeley is the flagship State University. I have always understood that gaining admission there is extremely tough. Holy Cross is selective, too. My eyes were opened about how selective USC is when following the varsity blues case. I never knew that. But I always understood Cal Berkeley to be an elite school.
Unfortunately we now hear accounts of applicants accepted at HC and rejected at BC. The small, liberal arts, all undergraduate, participatory D-1 sports model is admirable, but other schools have their attractions, too. The future is looking bright in BB (and FB) even if we occasionally lose a transfer.
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Post by trimster on Jul 14, 2019 13:42:59 GMT -5
Far too much speculating going on with respect to JG. He is no longer a student-athlete at HC. Unless he left because of something within the staff's control that can be rectified, who cares why he left. It's his call. I wish him well in life and we move on.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 14, 2019 14:07:00 GMT -5
Cal would not expend one of its 13 hoops scholarships for 3 years of Jacob playing 2. Period Generally agree but, if a school has a scholarship open on Bastille Day, that scholarship is probably going to go unfilled in the sit year anyway.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 14, 2019 14:35:31 GMT -5
MM, the 2019 population estimate for California is 39.75 million people. Cal Berkeley is the flagship State University. I have always understood that gaining admission there is extremely tough. Holy Cross is selective, too. My eyes were opened about how selective USC is when following the varsity blues case. I never knew that. But I always understood Cal Berkeley to be an elite school. Unfortunately we now hear accounts of applicants accepted at HC and rejected at BC. The small, liberal arts, all undergraduate, participatory D-1 sports model is admirable, but other schools have their attractions, too. The future is looking bright in BB (and FB) even if we occasionally lose a transfer. Longsuffering - Certainly, I agree in large part with your analysis. College admissions can be a crapshoot and a student's acceptance depends on a number of interrelated factors - grades, class rank, income, activities, gender, race/ethnicity, geographic location and athletic prowess, etc.We all know that. Cal Berkeley, BC are highly rated schools, certainly more attractive than HC to some. Even USC the perennial "safe school" alternative to UCLA for affluent kids has improved dramatically. We know that due to competitive necessity big time athletic schools do accept some athletes who are well below their academic criteria. These lower performing students would not get accepted to HC. Probably I did not make my point clearly. We don't know the reason JG did not attend Berkeley.Did he apply?Was he accepted? Was he offered a basketball scholarship? Maybe, his game was not to Cal, Pac12 level but was fine for the PL? Maybe, his grades were enough for acceptance to Berkley, maybe not, It i possible that Berkley rejected JG but HC accepted him. But,we can't assume that JG was not accepted to Berkeley due to grades. Clearly, we don't know, it's none of our business and the rest is pure speculation. As do others, I wish him much success and happiness as he continues on his life's journey. We do agree that even though the market is limited for highly selective small liberal arts colleges like HC, the future is bright for HC. Southern Cal is a better academic school than UCLA, and has been for a long time. It's not a "safety school" at all.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 14, 2019 15:06:21 GMT -5
Cal would not expend one of its 13 hoops scholarships for 3 years of Jacob playing 2. Period Generally agree but, if a school has a scholarship open on Bastille Day, that scholarship is probably going to go unfilled in the sit year anyway. Do you really think that Cal would give him a 2 year scholarship to play 2 years ? clearly he is not a Power 5 player
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Post by res on Jul 14, 2019 16:00:54 GMT -5
I don't want to put words in any of your guys' keypads, but some of you seem to be saying that a player who averaged 35 minutes per game for the nation's 239rd ranked team (kenpom) wouldn't even get a sniff from the nation's 241st. Look, for the last few years, the Pac12 has been a "P5" in name only, and probably should have been a one-bid league the last couple. It's currently on a par with the West Coast Conference from a strictly basketball perspective. Will it stay that way? Probably not, but who knows. (The average Pac12 school certainly has the resources that the majority of schools do not.)
On top of that, Cal is at the very bottom of the league. I wouldn't find it strange at all if Cal has looked at Grandison. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't. But, I certainly wouldn't consider it preposterous as a couple of you have implied, or that I have at least inferred.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 14, 2019 16:39:19 GMT -5
If this is a done deal and JG is gone...why is he still listed on the team roster?
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Post by efg72 on Jul 14, 2019 16:47:08 GMT -5
If this is a done deal and JG is gone...why is he still listed on the team froster? Perhaps the LOI has not been been signed sealed and delivered-or he has yet to be offered.
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