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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 9, 2019 23:38:14 GMT -5
I’ve often thought non-scholarship Holy Cross from 2007-09 were better than scholarship Holy Cross.
Why that is the case, I’m not sure.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 10, 2019 4:58:59 GMT -5
The game was awful yesterday. Every player and coach could have been better. Players on offense, defense and special teams all did things to help us earn the loss. Some of the coaching was puzzling at best.
However, we just ran off 7 straight PL wins for the first time since 1992. So, deep breaths. If we right the ship the next two weeks, there is a good chance we’ll have a PL title in year two of the Chesney era. That will be pretty good to me.
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 10, 2019 7:08:02 GMT -5
If there are 2:00 or more left on the clock when a player goes out of bounds, the game clock will begin on the referee’s ready for play signal. In the 4th period with Laf up 10 and trying to run us out of TO's; the Laf QB ran to the their sideline and stopped upright before being pushed OB; the ref signaled to keep the clock going... i.e. no stoppage to make the ball ready for play... a heady play by the QB?...
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Post by hcpride on Nov 10, 2019 7:28:54 GMT -5
/\ Laf QB (as a few posters had warned) was impressive. A good frosh QB can come in to the PL (or any other league for that matter) and make a splash. He seemed to be a nice combo of head, arm and feet (sort of like a young Breneman or even a young PP).
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 10, 2019 7:55:43 GMT -5
92 "nails it" as we used to say here with some frequency. My friend, moose, if you think playing hard makes for a "good game" and totally discounts mental mistakes and misplays as well as 5 turnovers on a clear, dry day, we will have to agree to disagree. I also would be willing to bet you that neither Chesney and his coaches nor the players felt they played a good game. If you'd like lower your standards further, perhaps we could say any game where no player on either team got injured was also "good game?" If so, I think yesterday was a good game. But I'll stick with 92's post:
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 10, 2019 7:56:27 GMT -5
P.S. The refs stuck too.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 10, 2019 8:12:47 GMT -5
No. Frustration mixed with hope is better than apathy. Maybe we could train new grads and young fans to get excited about D-3 but it's tough to teach old dogs new tricks. I support HC wherever. But, it might be hard to support a DIII Holy Cross until I stopped vomiting. HC will not be dropping to DIII, so why do a few people keep trowing it out there? What purpose does this nonsense serve? at least our board has moved on from "let's be Division One in x and y and Division Three in everything else"....not a bad sentiment but it's been posted here a thousand times you can't do that.
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 10, 2019 8:57:16 GMT -5
Did we really just have to burn a timeout on 3rd and 10 when we are punting?
Terrible. Awful. Insert your adjective of choice. The offense has been flat out bad for the majority season and it's rearing its ugly head today. If it is the timeout I'm thinking of that you are referencing, I believe it was called because, as I looked at the players walking over to the sidelines, I counted 12 players on the field! Very disappointing game overall. Kept waiting for something good to happen that we could cheer about. 5 turnovers and losing the battle of both the O and D lines is not a winning formula! We are playing these games with many FROSH and SOPHS, so maybe that's why we have to keep things simple and not varied and complex! It is only the second year of a building process. The recruits coming in next year look very good, so the future looks bright!
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Post by gks on Nov 10, 2019 9:17:08 GMT -5
Yesterday was a clunker. A missed opportunity that I'm sure will be the first thing brought up at Sunday's meeting.
As for Tom Gilmore, who I think is a great guy and a great coach, lost at Bucknell yesterday. Didn't Coach very well yesterday did he? What did they score 10 points? Lehigh's offensive coordinator must be fired!
Someone brought up Degenhardt's completion percentage is at about 50%. That's not going to cut it and severely handcuff the offense. When your offense doesn't have the QB to make plays your offense is going to be bland and generic. I'm not defending the OC but coaches don't go out and play. When the running game stalls this offense is doomed. Which is what we saw yesterday. Relax...this is year two of a rebuild. Young teams are going to make mistakes. The fact that they are 5-5 this season to me is impressive.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 10, 2019 9:45:05 GMT -5
Next year will be a significant drop off in offensive line experience. Connor struggles, as all QBs do, when he doesn't have adequate time and truth be told, he seems to need much more time to "survey the field" for open receivers than many QBs. I had thought the last few games before yesterday that he was actually looking for secondary and tertiary receivers but that was probably because his o-line was giving him more time. That was the beauty of Peter Pujals, he had a much better "feel" for what was going on and made decisions so much quicker than Connor does.
Unless and until Connor can develop this broader field of vision and make quicker decisions, I am not as optimistic as most here for next year when the o-line experience dips or, failing that, we get a QB that is more of the mold of PP. I just don't think Connor has the instincts and instead has to "think" too much. In a game when split seconds makes the difference between success and failure, he needs more instinct. That said, he has a good arm and lots of height to see over the line.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 10, 2019 9:53:04 GMT -5
One big factor yesterday is that we had no long gainers in the passing game--think the longest pass reception was under 20 yards. In prior games we had quite a few 30, 40 and longer pass receptions.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 10, 2019 9:55:50 GMT -5
Bottom line, we were totally unprepared both mentally and physically for Lafayette yesterday.
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Post by breezy on Nov 10, 2019 10:41:48 GMT -5
I believe the "drop off" next year in the offensive line will not be as severe as some might think.
The starting OL in 2019 includes three seniors (Boddy, Daurelle, and Dennis) and two juniors (Bowler and Foley). However, three other OLs have gotten significant playing time rotating in to give the starters some rest. These three OLs (all sophs -- Olsofka, Nasuti, and Smith) can be expected to step up and compete for starting positions next year, and they will be pushed by the three OLs who are freshmen and seem to have excellent credentials. So, without even considering the incoming freshmen, there will be at least 5 OLs with game experience and 3 promising rising sophs to form the nucleus of the 2020 offensive line.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 10, 2019 10:48:11 GMT -5
That'd be me, breezy. I was not talking of talent but level of experience working as a unit. I have noticed that Chesney (or assistant Smith?) have rotated some younger guys in.
Not having played the game, I have heard from more experts that working as a unit is extremely important for an offensive line.
Anyway, I hope you are right and my concerns unfounded. In any case, if Connor is our QB next season, he will likely to continue need the best o-line he can get to support him.
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 10, 2019 10:55:24 GMT -5
I’ve often thought non-scholarship Holy Cross from 2007-09 were better than scholarship Holy Cross. Why that is the case, I’m not sure. Not sure about the level of talent necessarily, but the depth isn't what it used to be b/c of the roster limits imposed as a result of scholarship implementation.
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 10, 2019 11:01:48 GMT -5
Did we really just have to burn a timeout on 3rd and 10 when we are punting?
Terrible. Awful. Insert your adjective of choice. The offense has been flat out bad for the majority season and it's rearing its ugly head today. If it is the timeout I'm thinking of that you are referencing, I believe it was called because, as I looked at the players walking over to the sidelines, I counted 12 players on the field! Very disappointing game overall. Kept waiting for something good to happen that we could cheer about. 5 turnovers and losing the battle of both the O and D lines is not a winning formula! We are playing these games with many FROSH and SOPHS, so maybe that's why we have to keep things simple and not varied and complex! It is only the second year of a building process. The recruits coming in next year look very good, so the future looks bright! On the sideline pregame ... talked to some one close to the team... 'Laf has a huge OL' [avg 300++ & 6'6]... watched most of 1st Q before moving across the field... from up high we could not get consistent pressure on QB, to take his eyes off of downfield. On the other hand, CD was harassed a lot... throwing into tight windows [Ayeni's 'TD' was a great throw and catch] not able to get to the 2nd receiver... The opportunity to get control of the game was lost at the end of the first half with our 'celebration' penalty and the fumble on the 2nd half KO. About the only thing we won yesterday was the coin toss
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Post by jflare on Nov 10, 2019 11:04:23 GMT -5
The game was awful yesterday. Every player and coach could have been better. Players on offense, defense and special teams all did things to help us earn the loss. Some of the coaching was puzzling at best. However, we just ran off 7 straight PL wins for the first time since 1992. So, deep breaths. If we right the ship the next two weeks, there is a good chance we’ll have a PL title in year two of the Chesney era. That will be pretty good to me. I agree but that's the problem. "If we right the ship the next two weeks" ..... I hope we can. If not then we had our opportunity right in front of us. Let's hope we can.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 10, 2019 11:37:24 GMT -5
If it is the timeout I'm thinking of that you are referencing, I believe it was called because, as I looked at the players walking over to the sidelines, I counted 12 players on the field! Very disappointing game overall. Kept waiting for something good to happen that we could cheer about. 5 turnovers and losing the battle of both the O and D lines is not a winning formula! We are playing these games with many FROSH and SOPHS, so maybe that's why we have to keep things simple and not varied and complex! It is only the second year of a building process. The recruits coming in next year look very good, so the future looks bright! On the sideline pregame ... talked to some one close to the team... 'Laf has a huge OL' [avg 300++ & 6'6]... watched most of 1st Q before moving across the field... from up high we could not get consistent pressure on QB, to take his eyes off of downfield. On the other hand, CD was harassed a lot... throwing into tight windows [Ayeni's 'TD' was a great throw and catch] not able to get to the 2nd receiver... The opportunity to get control of the game was lost at the end of the first half with our 'celebration' penalty and the fumble on the 2nd half KO. About the only thing we won yesterday was the coin toss Yet this huge Laf offensive line gave up 35 sacks this season before yesterday’s game. So, I was surprised that we were not able to pressure Shoemaker (who threw 12 interceptions before yesterday) the way preceding teams have.
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Post by wayback on Nov 10, 2019 11:41:38 GMT -5
Two big problems yesterday:
1. Five turnovers, can't win with that many mistakes, had a similar problem against Harvard.
2. Offensive line play was very poor. Running backs had no openings, often tackled at the line of scrimmage. Our quarterback was under pressure all day, had to rush his passes or scramble.
We are in year 2 of a rebuilding process, give it time and for God's sake calm down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 11:45:21 GMT -5
This is what a "winning" coach looks like in the PL. I would support a guy like Garrett any day of the week and if we compare resumes to our HC, it is embarrassing. Both of their dads were football coaches: www.goleopards.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/john-garrett/452Garrett's coaching in the professional ranks followed a playing career in the NFL. He was a member of the practice squad and active roster for the Cincinnati Bengals in 1989, and on the practice squad for the Buffalo Bills in 1991. Garrett also spent training camp with the Cowboys in 1988 and with the Bengals in 1990. Garrett was born in Danville, Pa., attended high school in Cleveland and lived part of his early years in Monmouth Beach, N.J. He began his coaching career in 1990 as a volunteer at his alma mater, Princeton University, where he earned a bachelor's degree in history in 1988. In 1992, he made the move to the NFL ranks as a personnel assistant, college scout and coaches' assistant for the Buccaneers, a position he held through 1994. In 1995, he was named the offensive assistant/wide receivers coach with the Bengals, staying with the team through the 1998 season. Garrett was the Arizona Cardinals' quarterbacks coach for the 1999 and 2000 campaigns before returning to the Bengals as an offensive assistant coach in 2001, tight ends coach in 2002 and a scout in 2003. He re-joined the college ranks in 2004, where for three years he was the University of Virginia's wide receivers coach and in 2006 added the title of assistant head coach for offense. The next season he moved to the Cowboys organization. Garrett's father, Jim, spent 38 years in the NFL as a scout and assistant coach. His brother, Judd, is the current Director of Pro Scouting for the Cowboys. John and his wife, Honor, have four children (John Jr., Honor, Olivia and Caroline). Bob Chesney Prior to his arrival at Salve Regina, Chesney was a member of the staff at John Hopkins University in Baltimore, Md., from 2005-2009. He began his tenure as a defensive assistant and special teams coach for four seasons before being promoted to associate head coach in 2009. During his time at Johns Hopkins University, 21 players received all-conference recognition, including one Centennial Conference Offensive Player of the Year (Andrew Kase, 2009), one Centennial Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Colin Wixted, 2009) and one All-America selection (Kase, 2009). Chesney also helped Johns Hopkins lead the nation in interceptions in 2009. Chesney previously served as an assistant coach and special teams coordinator at King’s College in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., from 2003-2004. He was also the defensive coordinator at Delaware Valley College in Doylestown, Pa., in 2002, and served as an assistant coach at Norwich University in Northfield, Vt., from 2000-2001. Chesney earned his bachelor’s degree from Dickinson College in Carlisle, Pa., in 2000. He was a four-year varsity letterwinner as a defensive back at Dickinson, earning Second Team All-Centennial Conference honors in both 1998 and 1999. He was also the 1997 recipient of the team’s Vincent Correal MVP Award and served as a team captain during his senior year. Chesney and his wife, Andrea, currently reside in Worcester with their two daughters (Lyla and Hudson) and one son (Bo).
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 10, 2019 11:57:18 GMT -5
Funny thing about this loss is my subtle change in expectations as the game progressed. I kept thinking HC would pull it out because we are well conditioned and have won past close games at the end.
That subtle change in expectations as a close game plays out is a positive for me. This game dented the perception of the team as winners of close games, but I hope it's an exception.
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Post by breezy on Nov 10, 2019 12:00:35 GMT -5
If you get the chance, you should read the Lafayette football message board. Garrett has been pilloried for most of his time there, although things have turned more friendly in the last couple of weeks.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 10, 2019 12:04:23 GMT -5
This is what a "winning" coach looks like in the PL. I would support a guy like Garrett any day of the week and if we compare resumes to our HC, it is embarrassing. Both of their dads were football coaches: www.goleopards.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/john-garrett/452Garrett's coaching in the professional ranks followed a playing career in the NFL. He was a member of the practice squad and active roster for the Cincinnati Bengals in 1989, and on the practice squad for the Buffalo Bills in 1991. Garrett also spent training camp with the Cowboys in 1988 and with the Bengals in 1990. Garrett was born in Danville, Pa., attended high school in Cleveland and lived part of his early years in Monmouth Beach, N.J. He began his coaching career in 1990 as a volunteer at his alma mater, Princeton University, where he earned a bachelor's degree in history in 1988. In 1992, he made the move to the NFL ranks as a personnel assistant, college scout and coaches' assistant for the Buccaneers, a position he held through 1994. In 1995, he was named the offensive assistant/wide receivers coach with the Bengals, staying with the team through the 1998 season. Garrett was the Arizona Cardinals' quarterbacks coach for the 1999 and 2000 campaigns before returning to the Bengals as an offensive assistant coach in 2001, tight ends coach in 2002 and a scout in 2003. He re-joined the college ranks in 2004, where for three years he was the University of Virginia's wide receivers coach and in 2006 added the title of assistant head coach for offense. The next season he moved to the Cowboys organization. Garrett's father, Jim, spent 38 years in the NFL as a scout and assistant coach. His brother, Judd, is the current Director of Pro Scouting for the Cowboys. John and his wife, Honor, have four children (John Jr., Honor, Olivia and Caroline). Bob Chesney Prior to his arrival at Salve Regina, Chesney was a member of the staff at John Hopkins University in Baltimore, Md., from 2005-2009. He began his tenure as a defensive assistant and special teams coach for four seasons before being promoted to associate head coach in 2009. During his time at Johns Hopkins University, 21 players received all-conference recognition, including one Centennial Conference Offensive Player of the Year (Andrew Kase, 2009), one Centennial Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Colin Wixted, 2009) and one All-America selection (Kase, 2009). Chesney also helped Johns Hopkins lead the nation in interceptions in 2009. Chesney previously served as an assistant coach and special teams coordinator at King’s College in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., from 2003-2004. He was also the defensive coordinator at Delaware Valley College in Doylestown, Pa., in 2002, and served as an assistant coach at Norwich University in Northfield, Vt., from 2000-2001. Chesney earned his bachelor’s degree from Dickinson College in Carlisle, Pa., in 2000. He was a four-year varsity letterwinner as a defensive back at Dickinson, earning Second Team All-Centennial Conference honors in both 1998 and 1999. He was also the 1997 recipient of the team’s Vincent Correal MVP Award and served as a team captain during his senior year. Chesney and his wife, Andrea, currently reside in Worcester with their two daughters (Lyla and Hudson) and one son (Bo). Now, I have to think, I have to hope, that you are just playing games with us, trying to wind us up. If I'm reading your post correctly, you suggest that Garrett is "what a winning coach looks like". Why, then, is his W-L record at Lafayette as follows: 3-8 in 2017 3-8 in 2018 3-7 in 2019 season to date 9-23 overall. It seems to me that you are embarrassed that Bob Chesney was a D-3 player (instead of D-1 or D-1/NFL) and that he coached at smaller programs prior to HC. Would you rather have as our head coach a 10 year NFL player maybe a Pro Bowl player, who had no leadership ability, could not recruit, and could not make sound decisions--but, man, he was in the NFL? You really should give Chesney a chance
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Post by hc68 on Nov 10, 2019 12:12:27 GMT -5
This is what a "winning" coach looks like in the PL. I would support a guy like Garrett any day of the week and if we compare resumes to our HC, it is embarrassing. Both of their dads were football coaches: www.goleopards.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/john-garrett/452Garrett's coaching in the professional ranks followed a playing career in the NFL. He was a member of the practice squad and active roster for the Cincinnati Bengals in 1989, and on the practice squad for the Buffalo Bills in 1991. Garrett also spent training camp with the Cowboys in 1988 and with the Bengals in 1990. Garrett was born in Danville, Pa., attended high school in Cleveland and lived part of his early years in Monmouth Beach, N.J. He began his coaching career in 1990 as a volunteer at his alma mater, Princeton University, where he earned a bachelor's degree in history in 1988. In 1992, he made the move to the NFL ranks as a personnel assistant, college scout and coaches' assistant for the Buccaneers, a position he held through 1994. In 1995, he was named the offensive assistant/wide receivers coach with the Bengals, staying with the team through the 1998 season. Garrett was the Arizona Cardinals' quarterbacks coach for the 1999 and 2000 campaigns before returning to the Bengals as an offensive assistant coach in 2001, tight ends coach in 2002 and a scout in 2003. He re-joined the college ranks in 2004, where for three years he was the University of Virginia's wide receivers coach and in 2006 added the title of assistant head coach for offense. The next season he moved to the Cowboys organization. Garrett's father, Jim, spent 38 years in the NFL as a scout and assistant coach. His brother, Judd, is the current Director of Pro Scouting for the Cowboys. John and his wife, Honor, have four children (John Jr., Honor, Olivia and Caroline). Bob Chesney Prior to his arrival at Salve Regina, Chesney was a member of the staff at John Hopkins University in Baltimore, Md., from 2005-2009. He began his tenure as a defensive assistant and special teams coach for four seasons before being promoted to associate head coach in 2009. During his time at Johns Hopkins University, 21 players received all-conference recognition, including one Centennial Conference Offensive Player of the Year (Andrew Kase, 2009), one Centennial Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Colin Wixted, 2009) and one All-America selection (Kase, 2009). Chesney also helped Johns Hopkins lead the nation in interceptions in 2009. Chesney previously served as an assistant coach and special teams coordinator at King’s College in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., from 2003-2004. He was also the defensive coordinator at Delaware Valley College in Doylestown, Pa., in 2002, and served as an assistant coach at Norwich University in Northfield, Vt., from 2000-2001. Chesney earned his bachelor’s degree from Dickinson College in Carlisle, Pa., in 2000. He was a four-year varsity letterwinner as a defensive back at Dickinson, earning Second Team All-Centennial Conference honors in both 1998 and 1999. He was also the 1997 recipient of the team’s Vincent Correal MVP Award and served as a team captain during his senior year. Chesney and his wife, Andrea, currently reside in Worcester with their two daughters (Lyla and Hudson) and one son (Bo). Now, I have to think, I have to hope, that you are just playing games with us, trying to wind us up. If I'm reading your post correctly, you suggest that Garrett is "what a winning coach looks like". Why, then, is his W-L record at Lafayette as follows: 3-8 in 2017 3-8 in 2018 3-7 in 2019 season to date 9-23 overall. It seems to me that you are embarrassed that Bob Chesney was a D-3 player (instead of D-1 or D-1/NFL) and that he coached at smaller programs prior to HC. Would you rather have as our head coach a 10 year NFL player maybe a Pro Bowl player, who had no leadership ability, could not recruit, and could not make sound decisions--but, man, he was in the NFL? You really should give Chesney a chance The point that 43 is making is that your previous experience as a coach or player doesn't matter. Chesney is the perfect example of this. He doesn't have the playing resume as TG but he's a better coach.
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 10, 2019 12:13:18 GMT -5
If you get the chance, you should read the Lafayette football message board. Garrett has been pilloried for most of his time there, although things have turned more friendly in the last couple of weeks. My pregame discussion pointed out Garrett's connections to pro football... I think we have respect for him
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