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Post by hc89 on Mar 17, 2020 15:48:55 GMT -5
According to tweets from Verbal Commits...
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 17, 2020 15:58:08 GMT -5
You cannot be serious--this is baffling
We really really need to get to the bottom of this matter when walk-ons are registering to transfer
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 17, 2020 15:58:27 GMT -5
Joe Reilly next?
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Post by HCFC45 on Mar 17, 2020 16:05:50 GMT -5
You cannot be serious--this is baffling We really really need to get to the bottom of this matter when walk-ons are registering to transfer Gonna need one of them "scratch sheets" for next season! |
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Post by trimster on Mar 17, 2020 16:08:47 GMT -5
You cannot be serious--this is baffling We really really need to get to the bottom of this matter when walk-ons are registering to transfer This is taking on the look of an exodus. Can’t be good for recruiting. |
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Post by rickii on Mar 17, 2020 16:15:44 GMT -5
I don't get why people are surprised or concerned that 2-3 kids who are obviously not contributers are leaving.
Lawder(sp) was a loss....these are not.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 17, 2020 16:16:37 GMT -5
If forced to make a guess I’d say that Coach must have told these guys that they will be getting zero minutes of play time in the future. That’s no great insight on my part, I know. I’ll change my judgment, and begin to cry, if Pridgen leaves
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 17, 2020 16:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 17, 2020 16:25:51 GMT -5
This whole month is making me queasy, on so many levels.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 17, 2020 16:30:31 GMT -5
I don't get why people are surprised or concerned that 2-3 kids who are obviously not contributers are leaving. Lawder(sp) was a loss....these are not. It's not about the loss. It's about the look.
Which is not good.
imho
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 17, 2020 16:31:00 GMT -5
This a bizarre St Patrick's Day is so many, many ways
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 17, 2020 16:35:20 GMT -5
I've been told by people who played college ball (a former next door neighbor was on Indiana's last national championship team and had some great stories about Bob Knight) that D1 coaches--Type A folks all--tend to be brutally honest with their players. I imagine BN has told Pridgen, Wade, Butler, Niego, and Faw that they're the core of the team, that they'll all continue to get big minutes, and that with the incoming recruits the future is bright. That means everyone else was told they were not going to play and were perhaps even invited/encouraged to transfer. Another acquaintance who played at BC told me that when a coaching change was made the new coach demanded he give up his scholarship/transfer. Having said all this the parade of departures is disconcerting and does not reflect stability. Of course, when I was at HC I was relegated to intramural ball due to a lack of talent, but it means I still have four years of eligibility left. I could give BN about a minute of point guard play a night.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 17, 2020 16:35:38 GMT -5
I do think it’s a little weird that two walk-ons would decide to transfer at the same time. It’s not like they are taking up a scholarship so Nelson ostensibly should not care if they are on or off the team.
But, it’s not like Sandy or Yeutter were going to change the trajectory of the program, so I’m not losing sleep over it.
Pridgen was the only guy on the roster this year, save for Lowder, who would be a significant loss going forward. Losing him would absolutely make me question Nelson’s ability to run a program of his own.
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Post by efg72 on Mar 17, 2020 16:42:33 GMT -5
So does Nelson rerecruit Lowder to keep Pridgen, Humphrey and Wade?
He has no proven PG
I don’t think he loses the three above....but in this insane period who knows
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 17, 2020 16:45:05 GMT -5
So does Nelson rerecruit Lowder . . . PLEASE STOP |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 17, 2020 16:45:57 GMT -5
Also, Nelson is doing everything he can to build a program. I’m sure he soon realized after the first month or so of the season that Hargis, Verbeek et al simply wouldn’t be able to contribute meaningfully — that scholarship would be better off used on other players.
This is Nelson’s livelihood, so I don’t fault him for doing everything in his power to get the best and most talented guys into the program.
This, of course, goes back to the Lowder drama mid-year. We will learn next season if Nelson made a grave mistake by not looking to keep him on board. A lot is riding on RJ Johnson.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 17, 2020 16:48:07 GMT -5
Perhaps WG was right and Sandy was on scholarship. I’m guessing Nelson would have been happy to keep Yeutter as a walk-on for depth but Yeutter is smart enough to know that RJ is going to be given the keys next year so playing time may have been scarce.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 17, 2020 16:49:54 GMT -5
If Sandy was on scholarship, then the end of Carmody's tenure is even more damning.
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Post by efg72 on Mar 17, 2020 16:54:41 GMT -5
Nobody faulting him and believe he has a bright future
It is his team, and he, like all of us, want to get this right and feel good about the program
My thought of additional transfers was based on comments by others (Sandy staying with Wade and others visiting Lowder in Michigan) and the relationship both Wade and Lowder have with Humphrey.
Crazy perhaps -possible because I think it is no crazier than what we watched since July
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Post by HC92 on Mar 17, 2020 16:55:08 GMT -5
Updated. At most, we have 11 scholarship players currently committed for next year if no one else leaves and Reilly is on scholarship. Going to cry if Pridgen leaves. If he stays and the Frosh pan out, we could be okay. With a few transfers, we could be pretty good as soon as 2021-22.
2024 (4)
Humphrey
Johnson
Rabinovich
Martindale
2023 (2)
Wade
Pridgen
2022 (0)
2021 (3)
Butler
Niego
Faw
2020 Return and/or Scholarship Uncertain (2):
Copeland
Reilly
Definite Walk-on (1):
Hart
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Post by hc87 on Mar 17, 2020 16:55:41 GMT -5
Jesus....can you imagine playing at HC this year??? 3-29 to the school year ending in March from a virus pandemic....just had to be brutal.
This (transfers) is going on all ovah the place...a couple of locals here (Greatah NB) are transferring too....Brycen Goodine from Cuse to PC. Noah Fernandes from Wichita St to somewhere. I could see Chris Herren Jr leaving the Heights this year as well.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 17, 2020 16:58:43 GMT -5
Jesus....can you imagine playing at HC this year??? 3-29 to the school year ending in March from a virus pandemic....just had to be brutal. This (transfers) is going on all ovah the place...a couple of locals here (Greatah NB) are transferring too....Brycen Goodine from Cuse to PC. Noah Fernandes from Wichita St to somewhere. I could see Chris Herren Jr leaving the Heights this year as well. Herren is in the portal. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 17, 2020 16:59:26 GMT -5
If Sandy was on scholarship, then the end of Carmody's tenure is even more damning. He was.
Of the 16 scholarship players Carmody brought to Holy Cross, 9 have - voluntarily or otherwise - left the team before graduating. Four of his five walk-ons have also . . . walked. And we still don't know were Copeland is.
Interpret it however you will, it's jaw-dropping. Has there been anything like it in the history of the program, or in the conference?
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Post by efg72 on Mar 17, 2020 17:01:34 GMT -5
Herron in the portal
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 17, 2020 17:04:32 GMT -5
If Sandy was on scholarship, then the end of Carmody's tenure is even more damning. He was.
Of the 16 scholarship players Carmody brought to Holy Cross, 9 have - voluntarily or otherwise - left the team before graduating. Four of his five walk-ons have also . . . walked. And we still don't know were Copeland is.
Interpret it however you will, it's jaw-dropping. Has there been anything like it in the history of the program, or in the conference?
If the entire roster is getting shaken up, maybe Nelson should bring in a new assistant, as well. Joe Kennedy has been the one constant from the Carmody era to the Nelson one. I'm not sure who he was responsible for recruiting / developing (hchoops mentioned he helped Verbeek to make strides over last offseason), but clearly there has been a disconnect. I'm not sure what value Kennedy brings to the program. I thought it was smart for Nelson to have Kennedy stay on as an assistant to help bridge the gap from the roster under Carmody to transitioning to Nelson, but we can kiss all of that goodbye now. |
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