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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2020 21:36:43 GMT -5
Mentioned earlier in this thread
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Post by HC92 on Mar 22, 2020 21:39:47 GMT -5
Plenty of schools with room at the inn.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2020 21:44:44 GMT -5
Plenty of schools with room at the inn. There are many, many more, including most of the big boys i.e.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2020 21:52:33 GMT -5
More
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Post by trimster on Mar 23, 2020 7:00:18 GMT -5
Based on what Bison 137 dug up, there will be 300 more if this year mirrors the last three years.
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Post by trimster on Mar 23, 2020 7:02:24 GMT -5
Mentioned earlier in this thread Why can’t these kids just quietly take care of business without letting the world know who is courting them. Look how wanted I am.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 23, 2020 7:49:36 GMT -5
Not in this social media era
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Post by timholycross on Mar 23, 2020 8:19:28 GMT -5
There is a double edged sword when it comes to any potential transfer to HC that cut the list even further.
1. Grades must be good 2. Someone with good grades is much more likely to spend Year 5 taking graduate courses, which, of course, are not part of Holy Cross' offerings. So some other university is clearly the choice under those circumstances.
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Post by trimster on Mar 23, 2020 8:22:38 GMT -5
There is a double edged sword when it comes to any potential transfer to HC that cut the list even further. 1. Grades must be good 2. Someone with good grades is much more likely to spend Year 5 taking graduate courses, which, of course, are not part of Holy Cross' offerings. So some other university is clearly the choice under those circumstances. Kids can transfer to HC. See Colgate.
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Post by DiMarz on Mar 23, 2020 8:27:56 GMT -5
There is a double edged sword when it comes to any potential transfer to HC that cut the list even further. 1. Grades must be good 2. Someone with good grades is much more likely to spend Year 5 taking graduate courses, which, of course, are not part of Holy Cross' offerings. So some other university is clearly the choice under those circumstances. Can a student get his masters through the Worcester Co-op? or is that no longer an option?
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Post by trimster on Mar 23, 2020 8:38:37 GMT -5
Seems like some of the transfers are announcing where they are going very quickly after entering the portal. Perhaps a lot of the legwork has been done in some cases, well before entering the portal.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 23, 2020 9:34:50 GMT -5
There is a double edged sword when it comes to any potential transfer to HC that cut the list even further. 1. Grades must be good 2. Someone with good grades is much more likely to spend Year 5 taking graduate courses, which, of course, are not part of Holy Cross' offerings. So some other university is clearly the choice under those circumstances. Can a student get his masters through the Worcester Co-op? or is that no longer an option? but if the transfer got his masters through another Worcester school I think he'd be playing D-2 or D-3 for that graduate season
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Post by dadominate on Mar 23, 2020 10:25:04 GMT -5
raynor landed an impact transfer in sankes and willard landed an impact transfer in cavataio.
while there are some challenges and advantages for other schools, it can and has be done at hc.
if there were ever a time for a transfer at holy cross, it is now after all of the defections. we'll see what nelson is made of. given his rolodex, i would hope this would be the type of area in which he can excel. the loss of all players to date, maybe even lowder, will be worth it if we can get an impact transfer.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 23, 2020 10:45:26 GMT -5
RW had one transfer in 10 years. We have not had one since Mike C. Getting a transfer through Admissions is very challenging
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Post by sarasota on Mar 23, 2020 11:54:41 GMT -5
When will Ann McD retire?
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Post by Tom on Mar 23, 2020 12:14:16 GMT -5
Is there are reasonable expectation that after Ann McD retires that students who would not normally be accepted will get admitted if they play certain sports?
I have a sense that even after Ann retires, athletes will be held to the same admission standards as non-athletes
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Post by HC92 on Mar 23, 2020 12:23:05 GMT -5
Is there are reasonable expectation that after Ann McD retires that students who would not normally be accepted will get admitted if they play certain sports? I have a sense that even after Ann retires, athletes will be held to the same admission standards as non-athletes The notion that Ann is single-handedly deciding where to draw the line on admission of student-athletes seems silly. If she was drawing the line in a place other than where TPTB want it, someone would tell her to move the line. I know she’s the face of it but it can’t be entirely her decision.
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Post by Xmassader on Mar 23, 2020 14:16:45 GMT -5
HC92 At most schools what you say is accurate. The admissions director takes his or her marching orders from the President and the Trustees. Because ABMcD’s tenure has been longer than the last 3 Presidents and most of the Trustees, I think that, while she is technically serving at their direction, she is given significant, if not total, deference on admissions policies/decisions-a situation that has proven to be problematic for HC athletics.
Two football-related stories-albeit anecdotal-illustrate my point. 1) With respect to the AI and football recruits, our former coach indicated that in his tenure to that point, HC was entitled/qualified to accept 33 low/low band recruits and yet only 3 were accepted (with others who were not accepted matriculating at other PL schools, including a DL who became an all-PL, all-Academic player) 2) After Matt Considine was admitted as a transfer, supposedly the football staff was told words to the effect that we let you have this transfer this time, but don’t be bringing many more of these to us.
The first story is an accurate reflection of what I was told by the coach. I think it is credible but I have no way of verifying. The second story is a third party comment that was relayed to me and, again, I have no way of verifying. However, if either or both are accurate (and I believe that both of them are), they reflect an Admissions Office which IMO is adopting standards/positions in excess of PL policy and, in the process, hampering on field/on court success.
The transfer comment, if accurate, particularly makes no sense to me because, if HCBC could bring in 4-5 transfers per year with Considine’s academic (clearly AI qualified and with demonstrated ability to do college work) and athletic profile, why would we not accept as many as we could subject to scholarship and roster limitations?
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Post by dadominate on Mar 23, 2020 14:26:01 GMT -5
RW had one transfer in 10 years. We have not had one since Mike C. Getting a transfer through Admissions is very challenging true, hoops. but rw also never had the gaping, glaring need with 7 players having left the program in less than a year. i would be deeply disappointed if we do not bring in a transfer. it seems pretty close to a necessity if we want to be remotely competitive anytime soon. there is obviously immediate playing time, to say the least. can nelson sell the culture we hear so much about and the program he envisions? this should be one of the benefits of having a young, connected coach that i hope bears fruit for us.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 23, 2020 15:13:40 GMT -5
Ideally, we’d land two impact transfers and have a chance to be good in 2021-22
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Post by hchoops on Mar 23, 2020 15:16:01 GMT -5
Ideally, we’d land two impact transfers and have a chance to be good in 2021-22 Imo there is little chance for one, never mind two transfers
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 23, 2020 15:38:44 GMT -5
Sadly, I haver two agree that a strong transfer is unlikely. But, Coach Nelson and his staff are, I am sure, working to bring talent together to create the best team possible at HC. There may be names we have not heard on Crossports, but I feel we won't know who is coming (recruit or transfer) until the school year starts.
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Post by Tom on Mar 23, 2020 15:45:39 GMT -5
HC92 At most schools what you say is accurate. The admissions director takes his or her marching orders from the President and the Trustees. Because ABMcD’s tenure has been longer than the last 3 Presidents and most of the Trustees, I think that, while she is technically serving at their direction, she is given significant, if not total, deference on admissions policies/decisions-a situation that has proven to be problematic for HC athletics. Two football-related stories-albeit anecdotal-illustrate my point. 1) With respect to the AI and football recruits, our former coach indicated that in his tenure to that point, HC was entitled/qualified to accept 33 low/low band recruits and yet only 3 were accepted (with others who were not accepted matriculating at other PL schools, including a DL who became an all-PL, all-Academic player) 2) After Matt Considine was admitted as a transfer, supposedly the football staff was told words to the effect that we let you have this transfer this time, but don’t be bringing many more of these to us. The first story is an accurate reflection of what I was told by the coach. I think it is credible but I have no way of verifying. The second story is a third party comment that was relayed to me and, again, I have no way of verifying. However, if either or both are accurate (and I believe that both of them are), they reflect an Admissions Office which IMO is adopting standards/positions in excess of PL policy and, in the process, hampering on field/on court success. The transfer comment, if accurate, particularly makes no sense to me because, if HCBC could bring in 4-5 transfers per year with Considine’s academic (clearly AI qualified and with demonstrated ability to do college work) and athletic profile, why would we not accept as many as we could subject to scholarship and roster limitations? The fact that HC chooses not to bring in as many low band students as the the PL allows does not mean that Ann McD is running a stricter admission policy than TPTB would have her, She might be making individual decisions, but no matter what her tenure, basic policy comes from above. If HC is admitting fewer than the maximum low band students today, that is not going to change simply because Ann McD retires.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 23, 2020 16:19:20 GMT -5
At least in the IL, and I presume it holds true for the PL, low band admits need to be offset by recruits with high AI scores. I think it quite possible that CTG was perhaps telling half the story. Either he did not recruit enough high AI score recruits, or other sports did not recruit enough high AI score recruits so there were no offsets available for these low band recruits.
As I have mentioned in the past, when Frank Sullivan was HC at Harvard, the directive from the AD's office / Admissions was that the average AI of all his recruits had to have an AI score at least within one standard deviation of the Harvard school-wide AI. (The source of this is none other than Sullivan's assistants.)
When Amaker became head coach, he was supposedly given relief. But he quickly also began recruiting one or two players every year whose AI was at or above the school-wide AI, and used these recruits as offsets for those incoming players whose AI score was below one standard deviation.
Greatly simplified example, without getting into the bands. Coach recruits 15 players whose average AI score is one standard deviation below the school-wide AI. Coach would like to recruit three additional players whose AI score is two standard deviations below the school-wide AI. To do that, coach now has to recruit three players whose AI score is at the school-wide AI, or higher. If he can't find the latter three players, admissions would not okay the admittance of the first trio of players.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 23, 2020 16:54:06 GMT -5
Amaker could recruit a bench player from a Class D high school with 36 ACT and 4,0 and just park him on the bench, right? Then he’d have the offset he needed- or would other IL coaches appeal to league commissioner?
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