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Post by longsuffering on Apr 16, 2020 7:51:30 GMT -5
Will never happen but would be interesting to re-conference all D1 schools based first on geography and then on sports-related spending with the goal being to eliminate air travel for one academic year while maintaining some level of competitive balance. I always thought there should be a D-1 New England Baseball League. That way the league tournament could happen in time for the winner to go to the NCAA tournament, but then the regular season could continue for all the other teams for as deep as possible into the nice weather in New England. With reduced travel and shorter if any Southern trips, schools like BU and UVM might not have had to drop baseball. Sunny and mild weather to watch a game at Fitton beats cold damp and windy.
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Post by JRGNYR on Apr 16, 2020 8:42:56 GMT -5
Will never happen but would be interesting to re-conference all D1 schools based first on geography and then on sports-related spending with the goal being to eliminate air travel for one academic year while maintaining some level of competitive balance. I always thought there should be a D-1 New England Baseball League. That way the league tournament could happen in time for the winner to go to the NCAA tournament, but then the regular season could continue for all the other teams for as deep as possible into the nice weather in New England. With reduced travel and shorter if any Southern trips, schools like BU and UVM might not have had to drop baseball. Sunny and mild weather to watch a game at Fitton beats cold damp and windy. It's a nice idea, but you have several things working against this: 1) finances; 2) the vast majority of New England D-1 baseball are members of one-bid conferences, so unless you're convinced this increases at-large opportunities to the NCAA tournament, it wouldn't gain a lot of support; 3) how long are you keeping kids on campus to play baseball? Into June, after everybody's graduated? That plays back into #1; 4) You'd have to make a wholesale change to the season and allow everybody to do it. If that happens, then you're talking about the CWS playing out in July or August.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 16, 2020 11:50:28 GMT -5
I always thought there should be a D-1 New England Baseball League. That way the league tournament could happen in time for the winner to go to the NCAA tournament, but then the regular season could continue for all the other teams for as deep as possible into the nice weather in New England. With reduced travel and shorter if any Southern trips, schools like BU and UVM might not have had to drop baseball. Sunny and mild weather to watch a game at Fitton beats cold damp and windy. It's a nice idea, but you have several things working against this: 1) finances; 2) the vast majority of New England D-1 baseball are members of one-bid conferences, so unless you're convinced this increases at-large opportunities to the NCAA tournament, it wouldn't gain a lot of support; 3) how long are you keeping kids on campus to play baseball? Into June, after everybody's graduated? That plays back into #1; 4) You'd have to make a wholesale change to the season and allow everybody to do it. If that happens, then you're talking about the CWS playing out in July or August. When I floated a variation of this idea before another poster came up with a good modifier that the season should end in time for players to play in the Cape League and other summer collegiate leagues. This year the PLT was scheduled to begin on May 9th for the top four teams. I would say the season could be extended until May 31 or so and get three plus more good weather weeks and 15-16 more games in for each team. Providence College is a good example. Why shouldn't they be playing Brown, Bryant, URI, HC, UConn all within an hour away on sunny days in May? They dropped baseball because of the extensive travel required by the Big East. If you take those 15 or 16 games away from the expensive southern trips in late winter you may reduce competitiveness in the NCAA tournament for the league representative, but you play the same number of games and give players a fair shot at pro ball while eliminating overnight travel and keeping baseball an affordable sport to offer for New England D-1 schools.
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Post by trimster on Apr 16, 2020 15:31:47 GMT -5
It's a nice idea, but you have several things working against this: 1) finances; 2) the vast majority of New England D-1 baseball are members of one-bid conferences, so unless you're convinced this increases at-large opportunities to the NCAA tournament, it wouldn't gain a lot of support; 3) how long are you keeping kids on campus to play baseball? Into June, after everybody's graduated? That plays back into #1; 4) You'd have to make a wholesale change to the season and allow everybody to do it. If that happens, then you're talking about the CWS playing out in July or August. When I floated a variation of this idea before another poster came up with a good modifier that the season should end in time for players to play in the Cape League and other summer collegiate leagues. This year the PLT was scheduled to begin on May 9th for the top four teams. I would say the season could be extended until May 31 or so and get three plus more good weather weeks and 15-16 more games in for each team. Providence College is a good example. Why shouldn't they be playing Brown, Bryant, URI, HC, UConn all within an hour away on sunny days in May? They dropped baseball because of the extensive travel required by the Big East. If you take those 15 or 16 games away from the expensive southern trips in late winter you may reduce competitiveness in the NCAA tournament for the league representative, but you play the same number of games and give players a fair shot at pro ball while eliminating overnight travel and keeping baseball an affordable sport to offer for New England D-1 schools. I guess one of the reasons PC doesn’t do that is because it makes too much sense. Geography common sense went out the window when it came to leagues a long time ago. For an extreme example of that look at West Virginia competing in the Big 12. Really?? Can you imagine the travel costs and lost class time associated with that decision. How much money must it cost them for sports other than football and men’s basketball to compete in a league in the Plains States and Texas.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 16, 2020 22:40:44 GMT -5
It's a nice idea, but you have several things working against this: 1) finances; 2) the vast majority of New England D-1 baseball are members of one-bid conferences, so unless you're convinced this increases at-large opportunities to the NCAA tournament, it wouldn't gain a lot of support; 3) how long are you keeping kids on campus to play baseball? Into June, after everybody's graduated? That plays back into #1; 4) You'd have to make a wholesale change to the season and allow everybody to do it. If that happens, then you're talking about the CWS playing out in July or August. When I floated a variation of this idea before another poster came up with a good modifier that the season should end in time for players to play in the Cape League and other summer collegiate leagues. This year the PLT was scheduled to begin on May 9th for the top four teams. I would say the season could be extended until May 31 or so and get three plus more good weather weeks and 15-16 more games in for each team. Providence College is a good example. Why shouldn't they be playing Brown, Bryant, URI, HC, UConn all within an hour away on sunny days in May? They dropped baseball because of the extensive travel required by the Big East. If you take those 15 or 16 games away from the expensive southern trips in late winter you may reduce competitiveness in the NCAA tournament for the league representative, but you play the same number of games and give players a fair shot at pro ball while eliminating overnight travel and keeping baseball an affordable sport to offer for New England D-1 schools. PC baseball was dropped due to Title IX. The Big East in 1999 was a bus league with two flights MAX to Notre Dame and West Virginia. Miami was NEVER a member of the Big East in baseball.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 16, 2020 23:41:27 GMT -5
That makes sense, I am sure PC had to give players like Lou Merloni some athletic scholarship money to be competitive in the BE. I just looked at the PC softball schedule. They had a 22 game southern trip this winter. They certainly aren't scrimping there. PC has an imbalanced number of sports. Lacrosse is just for men and softball, volleyball, field hockey and tennis are just for women. BB, ice hockey, soocer, track, cross country and swimming are for men and women. Seems a little discriminatory against men.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 17, 2020 7:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 17, 2020 21:26:44 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 18, 2020 6:14:01 GMT -5
Unduplicated number of athletes at PC 2018-19 academic year.
165 men. 180 women. Not counted in the totals are eight male practice players for women's hoops, and 10 male practice players for women's ice hockey. I wonder how common is it to have male practice players for women's sports.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 18, 2020 9:15:30 GMT -5
I think it is very common at higher-ranked women's basketball programs
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 18, 2020 9:43:31 GMT -5
I think it is very common at higher-ranked women's basketball programs Hockey and soccer as well.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 18, 2020 13:37:29 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 18, 2020 18:06:03 GMT -5
The men's rowing team at Holy Cross is also technically a "club sport" that competes at a varsity level. This basically means that the program, rather than being paid for by HC athletics and NCAA stipend, its paid for via dues and alumni donations.
Therefore I believe HC Mens Rowing would be exempt from Title IX implications.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 20, 2020 19:07:15 GMT -5
The men's rowing team at Holy Cross is also technically a "club sport" that competes at a varsity level. This basically means that the program, rather than being paid for by HC athletics and NCAA stipend, its paid for via dues and alumni donations. Therefore I believe HC Mens Rowing would be exempt from Title IX implications. Regarding rowing, Power Five schools rather famously use women's rowing, and scollies, to offset football for Title IX purposes. Women's rowing programs in Div I are allowed 20 full scollies, most of any women's sport. The 20 is not a headcount. University of Miami rosters 56 in women's rowing. hurricanesports.com/sports/womens-rowing/roster
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Post by timholycross on Apr 20, 2020 22:44:01 GMT -5
I think it is very common at higher-ranked women's basketball programs Hockey and soccer as well. Geno's had a "men's" team for a considerable amount of time. Pat Summit did as well. Surprised that it's done in hockey and soccer.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 20, 2020 23:38:33 GMT -5
Unduplicated number of athletes at PC 2018-19 academic year. 165 men. 180 women. Not counted in the totals are eight male practice players for women's hoops, and 10 male practice players for women's ice hockey. I wonder how common is it to have male practice players for women's sports. I can tell you when I was at UNH, many of the men's players that tried to walk-on became women's practice players. This was when current Cavs assistant coach and former Cal head coach Lindsey Gottlieb was there and I know she was using men's players at Cal.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 20, 2020 23:40:08 GMT -5
Hockey and soccer as well. Geno's had a "men's" team for a considerable amount of time. Pat Summit did as well. Surprised that it's done in hockey and soccer. PC has a club hockey team on the men's side...so can't be that tough to grab a couple of guys to come out and skate with the squad. PC men's hockey will steal the club goalie all the time if someone gets injured. I did see when I was at UNH, the club goalie have to go into a game at Maine due to injuries to all three goalies on the roster.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 21, 2020 12:33:29 GMT -5
Dartmouth announced yesterday that their (Hanover) Golf Club will be closed for the entire year - leading some to suggest they want to close it permanently - for golfers up there, that is tough to take as golf is a sport that will probably come back before others
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Post by timholycross on Apr 21, 2020 13:28:41 GMT -5
Some states/local governments simply want to control the narrative a lot more than it needs to be controlled.
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Post by Tom on Apr 21, 2020 15:09:20 GMT -5
Some states/local governments simply want to control the narrative a lot more than it needs to be controlled. It's wicked easy for a responsible person to socially distance themselves from the others in their group. Some places have used a minor rules adjustment to make things safer. Still it's tough to make the argument that golf is "essential" Courses are open in NH, but I know of at least one town that shut things down because of public outcry. RI and CT do have golf open. MA people are going down there. Technically you are supposed to self quarantine for two weeks when you enter the state of RI, and then again when you come back to MA, but no one seems to worry about that. In MA some people were sneaking on to close courses. I have heard of courses being told to secure their property or don't plan on having a liquor license when things re-open
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 21, 2020 15:19:33 GMT -5
UConn President made the following statement today on Fall Sports
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Post by alum on Apr 21, 2020 15:25:00 GMT -5
UConn President made the following statement today on Fall Sports It has been walked back a little UCTV Sports Retweeted Stephanie Reitz @reitztweets · 31m CLARIFYING:
@uconnpreztk
told a #UConn journalism class today that decisions on fall sports would be made w/ NCAA, our conference, state govt & related authorities. UConn fall sports are NOT CANCELED. He said it's likely ONLY if current conditions persist.
@uconnhuskiesStephanie Reitz is the official spokesperson for the University.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 21, 2020 15:49:14 GMT -5
UConn President made the following statement today on Fall Sports It has been walked back a little UCTV Sports Retweeted Stephanie Reitz @reitztweets · 31m CLARIFYING:
@uconnpreztk
told a #UConn journalism class today that decisions on fall sports would be made w/ NCAA, our conference, state govt & related authorities. UConn fall sports are NOT CANCELED. He said it's likely ONLY if current conditions persist.
@uconnhuskiesStephanie Reitz is the official spokesperson for the University. Yea...UConn is going crazy with statements from everyone. The quote from the President is pretty obvious as it states "" Current thinking is that likely fall sports will be cancelled - with the exception of those that can be played at a safe distance”.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 21, 2020 20:16:24 GMT -5
It is a brave new world.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 21, 2020 20:30:05 GMT -5
Well, it is "brave" but it seems like everyone in one way or another is running away from this. I am not sure how "brave" that is. I wish that medical people were making some of these decisions about the future of sports...and the country..
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