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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2020 10:50:14 GMT -5
On the one hand and given the narrative (and what they did last fall) one cannot be truly surprised at Harvard’s move.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 6, 2020 10:51:47 GMT -5
Remember, we have been through this before. The key numbers are not what percentage nursing home deaths are of total deaths they are what percentage of total nursing home patients died and what percentage of total residents died. To illustrate-- State A has 100,000 nursing home patients and total population of 20,000,000. 30,000 people die from Covid and 6,000 of them were in nursing homes. So nursing home patients account for 20% of deaths (nor the key stat) and 6% of nursing home patients died and 1 of every 667 people (easier to understand than a minuscule percentage number) in the state died. State B has 25,000 nursing home patients and total population of 6,000,000. 1,000 people die from Covid and 500 of them were in nursing homes. So, nursing home patients accounted for 50% of deaths (again, not the key stat) and 2% of nursing home patients died and 1 of every 6,000 people in the state died. Clearly State B did a much better job of taking care of its nursing home patients (and all its citizens) than did State A, even though a higher percentage of deaths came from inside nursing homes. To use real examples, New York had reported 6062 deaths in nursing homes in late May. They also had over 6000 additional elderly deaths who got Covid in a nursing home but died in a hospital. To keep the numbers lower, New York changed their accounting so as not to include the latter category as a nursing home death. Florida - which has more nursing home residents than New York - at about the same time had 1612 nursing home deaths. So although a higher percentage of FL deaths were those in nursing homes, FL apparently did a much better job of protecting its nursing home residents.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 6, 2020 10:55:06 GMT -5
When the Ivies postpone/cancel football on Wednesday, the Patriot League will follow suit very quickly.
While Spring football sounds interesting...would the players be able to quickly regroup for Fall 2021?
My hunch/guess is that the HC football season will be cancelled, similarly to 1969 somewhat, and we'll start up again in the Fall of 2021.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 6, 2020 10:56:48 GMT -5
Let’s play football in the Fall of 2020. Period.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2020 10:58:43 GMT -5
/\ No doubt if we (PL) desperately yearn to be thought of as something near-Ivy, we do need to copy them when and where we can.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 6, 2020 11:00:43 GMT -5
From the Harvard Crimson
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Post by rickii on Jul 6, 2020 11:02:02 GMT -5
/\ No doubt if we (PL) desperately yearn to be thought of as something near-Ivy, we do need to copy them when and where we can. Need an emoticon here for up-chucking....
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Post by cmo on Jul 6, 2020 11:27:07 GMT -5
🤮
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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2020 11:33:57 GMT -5
Trust me, I hated writing it.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 6, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -5
Let’s assume that the Ivies are out this fall. We should move immediately to replace them on the schedule. URI plays Brown on Sept. 19. Bryant plays Brown on Oct. 3 and Sacred Heart plays Penn and Central Conn. State plays Columbia on Oct. 10. We could schedule those teams as replacement games for Yale, Harvard and Brown, and each is just a bus ride away. Let’s go!
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Post by hc87 on Jul 6, 2020 11:57:06 GMT -5
Let’s assume that the Ivies are out this fall. We should move immediately to replace them on the schedule. URI plays Brown on Sept. 19. Bryant plays Brown on Oct. 3 and Sacred Heart plays Penn and Central Conn. State plays Columbia on Oct. 10. We could schedule those teams as replacement games for Yale, Harvard and Brown, and each is just a bus ride away. Let’s go! Oh you sweet, innocent young man....trust me, no Ivy football means no PL football.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 6, 2020 12:04:33 GMT -5
Let’s assume that the Ivies are out this fall. We should move immediately to replace them on the schedule. URI plays Brown on Sept. 19. Bryant plays Brown on Oct. 3 and Sacred Heart plays Penn and Central Conn. State plays Columbia on Oct. 10. We could schedule those teams as replacement games for Yale, Harvard and Brown, and each is just a bus ride away. Let’s go! Oh you sweet, innocent young man....trust me, no Ivy football means no PL football. You may be right, but it clearly can be done if the powers that be are independent thinkers and don’t simply bow to the Ivy League.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 6, 2020 12:05:07 GMT -5
IndianHoop:
You’re making a big bet there. Let’s make it a point to come back to this subject this Fall and either pay you off or collect.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 6, 2020 12:09:37 GMT -5
Unfortunately, agree with indianhoop.
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Post by alum on Jul 6, 2020 12:12:12 GMT -5
I suspect that there will be no PL football. All colleges seem serious about quarantining every student who is exposed to a person known to have tested positive for Covid 19 for a 14 day period. They are dedensifying their campuses and acquiring additional housing space because they know it is going to happen. I am not sure how "exposed to" will be defined, but I have to think vigorous exercise including what is essentially hand to hand combat is going to fall within any definition. I can't see this going for more than a few weeks without somebody testing positive and taking a dozen or more players with him. The first time it happens may not necessitate cancellation, but the second one will.
Oh yeah, and any Ivy decision will have an oversized influence on the decision, too.
If they want the entire student body to come back and stay, they are going to have to reduce risk of infection any way they can.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 6, 2020 12:19:30 GMT -5
with respect to opponents, the PL, as a matter of policy, said opponents will only be scheduled if the opponent has health and safety measures in place comparable to those established by member institutions.
That policy would not have been enunciated if the PL, as a conference, did not anticipate athletic competition.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 6, 2020 12:26:34 GMT -5
with respect to opponents, the PL, as a matter of policy, said opponents will only be scheduled if the opponent has health and safety measures in place comparable to those established by member institutions. That policy would not have been enunciated if the PL, as a conference, did not anticipate athletic competition. Just anecdotally, the MIAA (athletic governing board for most Mass. HS) kept posting/declaring guidelines etc on the start of Spring sports through March and much of April until schools were finally closed for the year by Gov Baker (forgetting the timeline now but it was mid/late April I think). Point being, I think the PL (and other conferences) is doing the same here i.e. holding out hope for a season until finally having to put the kibosh on it once and for all.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 6, 2020 12:42:05 GMT -5
As I mentioned in another thread, once the Ivy decides what they are doing the PL will mirror it. Dopes in Center Valley can't make a decision on their own, and would screw up a bowl of cereal. KY - given I said this last Friday, I'll take the bet too. Whatever the Ivy lays out in their plan, the always follow, never lead PL will announce the exact the same plan.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 6, 2020 12:51:49 GMT -5
Note that I was merely calling attention to the big bet, not saying that i wanted to book it. I’m hopeful we will do the right thing and play football this fall but I’m not sure I’d bet that we will.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 6, 2020 13:59:38 GMT -5
If the PL drops league play but leaves it up to individual schools to decide whether to play an OOC schedule and thus compete for an at large bid to the FCS tournament if it is held, I have an unusually high amount of confidence in Coach Chesney to operate a disciplined, organized and safe football program this fall.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2020 14:00:00 GMT -5
Frosh and Juniors are on campus in the fall at Princeton. And at home come spring. So 50% ish undergraduates at Princeton.
Like Harvard they point to the rising number of CASES well outside of their home state as a reason to err on the safe side.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 6, 2020 14:01:18 GMT -5
Per report on Felger & Mazz, Ivy League has cancelled all fall sports for this year.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 6, 2020 14:08:25 GMT -5
with respect to opponents, the PL, as a matter of policy, said opponents will only be scheduled if the opponent has health and safety measures in place comparable to those established by member institutions. That policy would not have been enunciated if the PL, as a conference, did not anticipate athletic competition. Just anecdotally, the MIAA (athletic governing board for most Mass. HS) kept posting/declaring guidelines etc on the start of Spring sports through March and much of April until schools were finally closed for the year by Gov Baker (forgetting the timeline now but it was mid/late April I think). Point being, I think the PL (and other conferences) is doing the same here i.e. holding out hope for a season until finally having to put the kibosh on it once and for all. I looked at Lafayette's schedule first two games Navy and Sacred Heart are cancelled. Third game against Bill & Mary is still on; this date falls after Lafayette's six week re-orientation program. Why not cancel Bill & Mary as well, if there is no PL football? Given the PL guidance, HC and Lehigh have to move the date of that game.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 6, 2020 14:47:15 GMT -5
Just anecdotally, the MIAA (athletic governing board for most Mass. HS) kept posting/declaring guidelines etc on the start of Spring sports through March and much of April until schools were finally closed for the year by Gov Baker (forgetting the timeline now but it was mid/late April I think). Point being, I think the PL (and other conferences) is doing the same here i.e. holding out hope for a season until finally having to put the kibosh on it once and for all. I looked at Lafayette's schedule first two games Navy and Sacred Heart are cancelled. Third game against Bill & Mary is still on; this date falls after Lafayette's six week re-orientation program. Why not cancel Bill & Mary as well, if there is no PL football? Given the PL guidance, HC and Lehigh have to move the date of that game. I agree. Lehigh and HC can move that game to Sept. 26 since Lehigh has an OOC game that weekend and we have an open date that weekend. As I said, HC can open with URI on Sept. 19, then @ Lehigh, followed by Bryant and Sacred Heart or Central Conn. State.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 6, 2020 14:51:43 GMT -5
Actually at home vs. Bryant on Sept. 19, @ Lehigh on Sept. 26, @ URI on Oct. 3 and at home vs. Sacred Heart on Oct. 10.
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