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Post by longsuffering on Jul 13, 2020 21:48:46 GMT -5
Good points. Covid can separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Post by richh on Jul 13, 2020 22:07:51 GMT -5
I doubt we leave the PL anytime soon....it's (for bettah or worse) become our brand in the 21st C....I do think though that we will see some significant changes in the collegiate football landscape ovah the next few years....Covid-19 (like it has done in many other facets of life) has sped up this process so to speak. What these changes will be is anybody's guess(es) at this point. But I'd look for more regionalization, probably a decent amount of FCS schools dropping football for starters. Agreed. Throw in smaller graduating HS seniirs over the next few years and there will be major crunches all around. Navigating the next 3 or so yrs until grad numbers stabilize at higher numbers will test all our school.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 14, 2020 0:34:18 GMT -5
Help if you can.... What is the estimated number of all commercial enterprises that will vacate offices in NYC, St Louis, Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and San Francisco within the next year? No-one is going to know the numbers but companies are going to downside their offices in terms of employees coming in every day and more people working from home. There are some studies that working from home is actually more productive than going into the office.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jul 14, 2020 12:01:13 GMT -5
Obviously, all of us on this board are very saddened to finally learn that there will be no Holy Cross football or this fall. It sucks.
It is important to point out, however, that this has been a particularly difficult situation to bring under control. Over 3,000 medical professionals have died taking care of people afflicted with COVID 19. Although we have only 4% of the world's population, we lead the world in infections and deaths by a large margin. There is nothing on the horizon to inspire confidence that intercollegiate athletics can be undertaken safely at this time, in fact, just the opposite is happening.
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Post by joe on Jul 14, 2020 12:02:41 GMT -5
Obviously, all of us on this board are very saddened to finally learn that there will be no Holy Cross football or this fall. It sucks. It is important to point out, however, that this has been a particularly difficult situation to bring under control. Over 3,000 medical professionals have died taking care of people afflicted with COVID 19. Although we have only 4% of the world's population, we lead the world in infections and deaths by a large margin. There is nothing on the horizon to inspire confidence that intercollegiate athletics can be undertaken safely at this time, in fact, just the opposite is happening. Perfectly stated.
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Post by unhfan on Jul 14, 2020 14:03:40 GMT -5
Obviously, all of us on this board are very saddened to finally learn that there will be no Holy Cross football or this fall. It sucks. It is important to point out, however, that this has been a particularly difficult situation to bring under control. Over 3,000 medical professionals have died taking care of people afflicted with COVID 19. Although we have only 4% of the world's population, we lead the world in infections and deaths by a large margin. There is nothing on the horizon to inspire confidence that intercollegiate athletics can be undertaken safely at this time, in fact, just the opposite is happening. Well said sir!
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Post by unhfan on Jul 14, 2020 14:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 14, 2020 14:17:25 GMT -5
Obviously, all of us on this board are very saddened to finally learn that there will be no Holy Cross football or this fall. It sucks. It is important to point out, however, that this has been a particularly difficult situation to bring under control. Over 3,000 medical professionals have died taking care of people afflicted with COVID 19. Although we have only 4% of the world's population, we lead the world in infections and deaths by a large margin. There is nothing on the horizon to inspire confidence that intercollegiate athletics can be undertaken safely at this time, in fact, just the opposite is happening. Obviously, looking at deaths per capita, rather than total number of deaths, is the best way to view this. Belgium, the UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden, and France are several countries with a higher death rate per 100,000 people.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 14, 2020 15:16:18 GMT -5
The irony is that if the rest of the country was in the shape that the geographic area covered by the Patriot League is in, we'd most likely not be having this sad discussion.
Maybe a month or two from now there'll be a reversal, but things could easily go in the wrong direction around here.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 14, 2020 16:32:43 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if the Power 5 schools give it a shot, I would be shocked if they are still playing by Halloween. All it will take is a single player or coach becoming gravely I’ll or, God forbid a death, for all of this to implode. If that happens, the NCAA will be hard pressed to let it continue and I suspect Congress might get involved and threaten some sort of action. The NFL might rule the landscape this fall.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 14, 2020 16:49:34 GMT -5
Obviously, all of us on this board are very saddened to finally learn that there will be no Holy Cross football or this fall. It sucks. It is important to point out, however, that this has been a particularly difficult situation to bring under control. Over 3,000 medical professionals have died taking care of people afflicted with COVID 19. Although we have only 4% of the world's population, we lead the world in infections and deaths by a large margin. There is nothing on the horizon to inspire confidence that intercollegiate athletics can be undertaken safely at this time, in fact, just the opposite is happening. Obviously, looking at deaths per capita, rather than total number of deaths, is the best way to view this. Belgium, the UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden, and France are several countries with a higher death rate per 100,000 people. So says our consistent COVID downplayer.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 14, 2020 17:29:28 GMT -5
On the bright side, we do have all our athletes (and essentially all our kids) on campus (unlike a few schools that banished certain grade-levels entirely to achieve single room accommodations) and that has to help in terms of training and espirit de corps. (v being at home alone)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 14, 2020 18:22:17 GMT -5
On the bright side, we do have all our athletes (and essentially all our kids) on campus (unlike a few schools that banished certain grade-levels entirely to achieve single room accommodations) and that has to help in terms of training and espirit de corps. (v being at home alone) I believe its quite likely that this high percentage of football players returning to campus and testing positive is from working out in gyms at home, said establishments being allowed to re-open, often with few guidelines. The PL has a better chance of having fall sports compete in the spring than the Ivy, given loss of conditioning by Ivy athletes who will not have been on campus for about nine months (UPenn and Cornell excepted). And I have no idea how the other six IL schools and GU fill out a spring roster with half or more of the undergraduate class years back home, studying remotely.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 15, 2020 5:16:15 GMT -5
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Post by HCFC45 on Jul 15, 2020 7:32:28 GMT -5
Best part of the article are these 4 words: "LEARNING THE NEW OFFENSE"! !
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Post by Tom on Jul 15, 2020 8:12:32 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if the Power 5 schools give it a shot, I would be shocked if they are still playing by Halloween. All it will take is a single player or coach becoming gravely I’ll or, God forbid a death, for all of this to implode. If that happens, the NCAA will be hard pressed to let it continue and I suspect Congress might get involved and threaten some sort of action. The NFL might rule the landscape this fall. There's a lot of money on the table at the Power 5. Enough that the powers that be in those schools and conferences would be willing to live with higher risk for their players.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 15, 2020 9:15:38 GMT -5
Agreed. Even if the Power 5 schools give it a shot, I would be shocked if they are still playing by Halloween. All it will take is a single player or coach becoming gravely I’ll or, God forbid a death, for all of this to implode. If that happens, the NCAA will be hard pressed to let it continue and I suspect Congress might get involved and threaten some sort of action. The NFL might rule the landscape this fall. There's a lot of money on the table at the Power 5. Enough that the powers that be in those schools and conferences would be willing to live with higher risk for their players. The real question will be how football players will fare health-wise relative to other students on campus. Not convinced the football players will definitely fare more poorly than others. We shall see.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 15, 2020 9:51:11 GMT -5
There's a lot of money on the table at the Power 5. Enough that the powers that be in those schools and conferences would be willing to live with higher risk for their players. The real question will be how football players will fare health-wise relative to other students on campus. Not convinced the football players will definitely fare more poorly than others. We shall see. Others have pointed out that their risk of death via Covid has got to be about the same as that of healthy non football players living on the same campus (that is, essentially 0). Saying football players and other healthy students have about the same risk of death via Covid on campus is not meant to be an argument in favor of shutting campuses down and emptying them of students. Although I could see that argument happening.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 15, 2020 10:41:21 GMT -5
The real question will be how football players will fare health-wise relative to other students on campus. Not convinced the football players will definitely fare more poorly than others. We shall see. Others have pointed out that their risk of death via Covid has got to be about the same as that of healthy non football players living on the same campus (that is, essentially 0). Saying football players and other healthy students have about the same risk of death via Covid on campus is not meant to be an argument in favor of shutting campuses down and emptying them of students. Although I could see that argument happening. I was really wondering about infection rates. The activity itself would seem to create additional opportunities for infection but will that be offset by additional rigor re: the athletes in terms of monitoring and testing and oversight of movements?
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Post by hcpride on Jul 15, 2020 12:07:51 GMT -5
Others have pointed out that their risk of death via Covid has got to be about the same as that of healthy non football players living on the same campus (that is, essentially 0). Saying football players and other healthy students have about the same risk of death via Covid on campus is not meant to be an argument in favor of shutting campuses down and emptying them of students. Although I could see that argument happening. I was really wondering about infection rates. The activity itself would seem to create additional opportunities for infection but will that be offset by additional rigor re: the athletes in terms of monitoring and testing and oversight of movements? Infection rates (now that I think of it, comparing two groups that don't die of Covid-19 for Covid-19 fatalities would be completely pointless so scratch my response) would make an interesting statistical comparison. FWIW I'd guess a couple of hundred HC kids or more (given our region) are infected or have been infected by this point. Most of them, of course, have/had no idea. And I don't know how the footballers compare to the non-footballers within that group even at this point. Maybe they (football players) are higher now and would even up as they progress thru the season or vice versa.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 15, 2020 16:18:52 GMT -5
There's a lot of money on the table at the Power 5. Enough that the powers that be in those schools and conferences would be willing to live with higher risk for their players. The real question will be how football players will fare health-wise relative to other students on campus. Not convinced the football players will definitely fare more poorly than others. We shall see. My guess is basically zero difference. Unfortunately, there WILL be rare horror stories involving both athletes and non-athletes. The risk may be (very) low for college-afe adults but its not zero.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 15, 2020 16:59:52 GMT -5
Maybe we need to close this thread and start a new one. "Will Holy Cross Play in 2020" is kind of passe now.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 15, 2020 21:25:33 GMT -5
Maybe we need to close this thread and start a new one. "Will Holy Cross Play in 2020" is kind of passe now. If someone starts a “Will Holy Cross Play in 2021?” thread, I’m going to cry. A lot.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 15, 2020 21:43:28 GMT -5
Maybe we need to close this thread and start a new one. "Will Holy Cross Play in 2020" is kind of passe now. If someone starts a “Will Holy Cross Play in 2021?” thread, I’m going to cry. A lot. Did my Spring of 2021 thread bring you to tears???
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Post by rickii on Jul 16, 2020 11:18:54 GMT -5
Help if you can.... What is the estimated number of all commercial enterprises that will vacate offices in NYC, St Louis, Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and San Francisco within the next year? No-one is going to know the numbers but companies are going to downside their offices in terms of employees coming in every day and more people working from home. There are some studies that working from home is actually more productive than going into the office. Why will no one know/estimate the numbers? Fauci and other so-called experts have been estimating on this virus since last March. Yes, more productive at home but due to abnormal 12-14 working hours with no breaks. This has contributed to increased stress, lack of sleep and apparently folks gaining substantial weight.
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