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Post by Tom on Nov 3, 2021 8:08:25 GMT -5
Braves win it all.
The old adage good pitching beats good hitting prevails. Although I think back to the not that long ago (at least to me) 90's when the Braves won 5 pennants in the decade based on a great pitching staff, but went a disappointing 1-4 in the World Series.
Old and useless fact: Braves are only franchise to win a World Series in 3 different cities
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 3, 2021 8:16:54 GMT -5
Should be a great parade for the Braves in Denver.
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Post by alum on Nov 3, 2021 8:17:49 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 3, 2021 8:35:23 GMT -5
I guess based on this thread that there was a World Series? And Red Sox, Mets, Yankees were not in it? Did see a certain former president doing a Tomahawk chop but while you'd think it would be the Georgia peanut farmer, it wasn't him.
But it's November. Shouldn't a World Series be wrapped up in October before we get into the thick of football season and basketball soon to be tipping off in earnest?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 3, 2021 9:05:07 GMT -5
Short answer...YES.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 3, 2021 9:16:41 GMT -5
Kill the four-hour ballgame Baseball has a slowness problem. Regular-season games are now 37 minutes longer than in 1980 (as the chart below shows), and playoff games take even more time. Ten postseason games this year have exceeded four hours, sometimes ending after midnight.
Source: Baseball Reference M.L.B. officials, worried that long games are hurting the sport’s popularity, are looking for solutions. The most promising ideas — based on an experiment in a California minor league — appears to be a pitch clock. The clock, which gives pitchers no more than 17 seconds to throw the ball, reduced games by an average of 20 minutes.
Raúl Ibañez, a former ballplayer who now works for M.L.B., told The Ringer he was “blown away” by the experiment’s results. “It felt like the game that I grew up watching in the 1980s.” Last night’s Game 6 of the World Series lasted three hours 22 minutes.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 3, 2021 9:17:32 GMT -5
Above from NY Times daily briefing.
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Post by Tom on Nov 3, 2021 12:08:03 GMT -5
1) The season has basically ended about the same time for a while Either the last Sunday in Sept or the 1st Sunday in Oct. However for the all important TV money, we keep adding playoff games - in 1969 we added a 5 game playoff series before the World Series (ALCS and NLCS) - in 1985 the 5 game LCS's went to 7 games adding 3 days (2 games plus a travel day) - in 1994/95 we added a 5 game divisional series (with 2 travel days) - in 2012 we added a second wildcard team per league and a wildcard game, pushing the divisional series back 2 days
2) Games are too long. I consider myself a baseball fan and I was routinely going to bed around the 5th or 6th inning of the World Series..
3) Nice power rankings. #3 Padres don't make post season. #23 Giants win 107 games
4) Jimmy Carter is about 150 years old and can't stay up late enough to go to games to do his Tomahawk chop
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Post by hchoops on Nov 3, 2021 12:14:52 GMT -5
Even if Pres Carter were 30-40 years younger, I doubt he would be doing any tomahawk chop or chant.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 3, 2021 12:22:00 GMT -5
He has too much class for that, IMHO.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 3, 2021 12:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Nov 3, 2021 13:58:31 GMT -5
I think that most of us are aware that our language and behavior from 30 or 40 years ago was pretty bad when looking at it today. You may be too young to recall jokes about blondes, Poles, and gays among many other groups. The Tomahawk chop is just another example. I would like to think that President Carter would have evolved on this, too. Who knows? What I do know about him, however, is that he believes that all of us are sinners and are supposed to strive to do better.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 3, 2021 14:05:35 GMT -5
It was (IIRC) Robert Louis Stevenson who said "Saints are sinners who kept trying to be better." I may have paraphrased slightly, but I agree with that sentiment.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 3, 2021 14:07:12 GMT -5
OK, just to provoke some controversy/discussion, I used to be a big baseball fan. I pretty much hate MLB. I also never liked the NBA. I had a brief liking for NHL (Islanders only, not Rangers). I tolerate the NFL (thanks to Kalif & Mr. Murray).
The common thread? "Professionalism" which I really need to put in quotation marks. To me, you take a game - baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. - and ruin it and take the joy out by turning a sport into a business.
I prefer to watch a little league baseball game to anything put on by the MLB. I enjoy Holy Cross sports, mostly football and basketball, because while they may no longer be "The Last Amateurs," they come pretty darn close. Players making millions upon millions for playing kids' games. Owners making even more for their egos often with little concern for their local fans and charging outrageous ticket prices (to pay for their overpriced players and their own profits).
I haven't watched a minute of the World Series other than the few clips on the national news. And, yes, the games are too long.
Have at it.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 3, 2021 14:15:05 GMT -5
I think that historians mostly agree that Jimmy was a pretty ineffective president but with all his work on the Carter Fund; Habitat for Humanity work; fighting Guinea Worms; teaching Sunday school, I believe he is also considered one of the best, if not the best, "former Presidents."
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 3, 2021 14:22:15 GMT -5
You sum up my attitude about JC. He is a fine person, but he could not effectively delegate authority and his attempts at "big moves" (like the boycott of the Moscow Olympics) seemed to fall far short of any successful results.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 3, 2021 15:22:05 GMT -5
You sum up my attitude about JC. He is a fine person, but he could not effectively delegate authority and his attempts at "big moves" (like the boycott of the Moscow Olympics) seemed to farr far short of any successful results. "In the May (published in April) 1979 Atlantic Monthly article [Writer James] Fallows wrote: “Carter came into office determined to set a rational plan for his time, but soon showed in practice that he was still the detail-man used to running his own warehouse, the perfectionist accustomed to thinking that to do a job right you must do it yourself. He would leave for a weekend at Camp David laden with thick briefing books, would pore over budget tables to check the arithmetic, and, during his first six months in office, would personally review all requests to use the White House tennis court.” Fallows noted that he knew Carter was approving court use because, as a former collegiate tennis player, Fallows would send in personal requests to use the White House courts, and he would receive his answer, via a checked box (yes or no) from President Carter. sites.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/tag/carter-tennis-courts/
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 3, 2021 23:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 3, 2021 23:55:12 GMT -5
OK, just to provoke some controversy/discussion, I used to be a big baseball fan. I pretty much hate MLB. I also never liked the NBA. I had a brief liking for NHL (Islanders only, not Rangers). I tolerate the NFL (thanks to Kalif & Mr. Murray). The common thread? "Professionalism" which I really need to put in quotation marks. To me, you take a game - baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. - and ruin it and take the joy out by turning a sport into a business. I prefer to watch a little league baseball game to anything put on by the MLB. I enjoy Holy Cross sports, mostly football and basketball, because while they may no longer be "The Last Amateurs," they come pretty darn close. Players making millions upon millions for playing kids' games. Owners making even more for their egos often with little concern for their local fans and charging outrageous ticket prices (to pay for their overpriced players and their own profits). I haven't watched a minute of the World Series other than the few clips on the national news. And, yes, the games are too long. College World Series Games are even longer than MLB games with coaches calling pitches.... www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/sports/baseball/pace-of-play-college-world-series.html
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 4, 2021 10:49:48 GMT -5
Growing up in Boston, I suffered for a while with many New Englanders (but thankfully not too long as I was in high school when the Sox won the World Series in '04).The Braves were always on TV on the weekends and were a tad better than the Red Sox at the time. As I studied more baseball history I was almost floored to find out the Braves began their MLB journey in Boston...and had some success in the early years. So needless to say the Braves, became my "senior circuit" team. Didn't hurt that I played on the Braves and Indians in Little League. The "chop" became a mainstay at my house and I brought it to HC where I annoyed a generation of Mets fans!
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Post by timholycross on Nov 4, 2021 11:25:19 GMT -5
Even if you speed up the time between pitches, you still have more pitches than you used to have fivethirtyeight.com/features/foul-balls-are-the-pace-of-play-problem-nobodys-talking-about/And a foul ball often necessitates a delay that the pitch clock won't solve (fielders go after the ball, getting a new ball in play, etc.). It also ramps up the pitcher's pitch count and gets them out of the game faster, so there's more pitching changes. I'd like to see in AAA a season where they ban shifts and see if the batters tend to put the ball in play more. Overshifting certainly hasn't resulted in more bunting, going the other way,. etc.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 4, 2021 11:32:47 GMT -5
Growing up in Boston, I suffered for a while with many New Englanders (but thankfully not too long as I was in high school when the Sox won the World Series in '04).The Braves were always on TV on the weekends and were a tad better than the Red Sox at the time. As I studied more baseball history I was almost floored to find out the Braves began their MLB journey in Boston...and had some success in the early years. So needless to say the Braves, became my "senior circuit" team. Didn't hurt that I played on the Braves and Indians in Little League. The "chop" became a mainstay at my house and I brought it to HC where I annoyed a generation of Mets fans! When cable TV started making inroads in Greater Boston, one usually had a couple of the following: WTBS, WOR, WPIX, WGN. Made a lot of people fans of the Braves, Yanks, Mets, Cubs or White Sox that wouldn't have ordinarily been.
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Post by Tom on Nov 4, 2021 14:57:27 GMT -5
I'd like to see in AAA a season where they ban shifts and see if the batters tend to put the ball in play more. Overshifting certainly hasn't resulted in more bunting, going the other way,. etc. I don't like that plan. You should be able to put your fielders where ever you want them. If you have a sinkerballer that induces ground balls and want to bring one of your outfielders into the infield - go for it. I get the concept of not wanting Babe Ruth to bunt through a shift. I am dumbfounded when some lousy .200 hitter with no pop in his bat sees a shift and doesn't bunt. A double is likely your best possible outcome. If you can't hit anyway, take the free single when they're offering it
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Post by Tom on Nov 4, 2021 14:59:50 GMT -5
Growing up in Boston, I suffered for a while with many New Englanders (but thankfully not too long as I was in high school when the Sox won the World Series in '04).The Braves were always on TV on the weekends and were a tad better than the Red Sox at the time. As I studied more baseball history I was almost floored to find out the Braves began their MLB journey in Boston...and had some success in the early years. So needless to say the Braves, became my "senior circuit" team. Didn't hurt that I played on the Braves and Indians in Little League. The "chop" became a mainstay at my house and I brought it to HC where I annoyed a generation of Mets fans! When cable TV started making inroads in Greater Boston, one usually had a couple of the following: WTBS, WOR, WPIX, WGN. Made a lot of people fans of the Braves, Yanks, Mets, Cubs or White Sox that wouldn't have ordinarily been. And WTBS, which was just a local over the air station in Atlanta, was far and away the most common. Atlanta did kind of become America's team
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Post by hchoops on Nov 4, 2021 15:02:26 GMT -5
Certainly Not in New York, Chicago, LA
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