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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 28, 2021 20:40:45 GMT -5
Major breakout with the Nationals with 12 positive tests. (One was unvaccinated)
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Post by Tom on Jul 29, 2021 10:12:32 GMT -5
"You don't have to wear a mask if you're vaccinated" said Kamala Harris today, a vaccinated person wearing a mask. As a chef once said in a Three Stooges episode: "This place has sure gone crazy". She also said that she would not get vaccinated because the FDA pushed through these emergency usage authorizations without due diligence. Niagara Falls. . .
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 30, 2021 6:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Jul 30, 2021 7:21:29 GMT -5
For those who do not get, read or otherwise overlooked this recent commentary in The Wall Street Journal, I welcome sharing:
Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug? Ivermectin is a promising Covid treatment and prophylaxis, but the agency is denigrating it.
The Food and Drug Administration claims to follow the science. So why is it attacking ivermectin, a medication it certified in 1996?
Earlier this year the agency put out a special warning that “you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19.” The FDA’s statement included words and phrases such as “serious harm,” “hospitalized,” “dangerous,” “very dangerous,” “seizures,” “coma and even death” and “highly toxic.” Any reader would think the FDA was warning against poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic.
Ivermectin was developed and marketed by Merck & Co. while one of us (Mr. Hooper) worked there years ago. William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for discovering and developing avermectin, which Mr. Campbell and associates modified to create ivermectin.
Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, low-cost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.”
Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours, according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.
Some 70 clinical trials are evaluating the use of ivermectin for treating Covid-19. The statistically significant evidence suggests that it is safe and works for both treating and preventing the disease.
In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did. Fewer ivermectin patients developed respiratory distress (2.6% vs. 15.8%); fewer required oxygen (9.6% vs. 45.9%); fewer required antibiotics (15.7% vs. 60.2%); and fewer entered intensive care (0.1% vs. 8.3%). Ivermectin-treated patients tested negative faster, in four days instead of 15, and stayed in the hospital nine days on average instead of 15. Ivermectin patients experienced 13.3% mortality compared with 24.5% in the control group.
Moreover, the drug can help prevent Covid-19. One 2020 article in Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications looked at what happened after the drug was given to family members of confirmed Covid-19 patients. Less than 8% became infected, versus 58.4% of those untreated.
Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant women, children and infants.
If the FDA were driven by science and evidence, it would give an emergency-use authorization for ivermectin for Covid-19. Instead, the FDA asserts without evidence that ivermectin is dangerous.
At the bottom of the FDA’s warning against ivermectin is this statement: “Meanwhile, effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid crowds.” Is this based on the kinds of double-blind studies that the FDA requires for drug approvals? No.
Mr. Henderson, a research fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, was senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr. Hooper is president of Objective Insights, a firm that consults with pharmaceutical clients.
To answer the question within the title of this commentary, there is little real money for Big Pharma nor real control for those within our public health agencies and their compromised colleagues in promoting the use of ivermectin. I continue to feel good about this drug used in concert with Vitamins C and D, zinc and quercetin and a protein rich diet and robust physical exercise.
I welcome repeating my question as to who is truly looking out for the kids and all those who have suffered increasing levels of mental stress and anxiety and the accompanying fallout therein in the midst of this ongoing debacle?
Trust the FDA, the NIH, NIAID, and Big Pharma?
Not so much.
With the goal posts now being moved, I welcome once again drawing attention to the efficacy of ivermectin. I might also recommend people read up on Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
Good health and Godspeed to Crusaders everywhere. Interesting. Are there any articles about the fact that the best way to avoid hospitalization or death from Covid (including the delta variant) is to get the vaccine? How about ones that remind us that even people who have previously been exposed to the virus should get the vaccine?
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 30, 2021 7:59:50 GMT -5
I’d be interested in those with medical and scientific expertise here if a trial with 115 cases was statistically large enough to warrant fact based conclusions on efficacy.
The studies of Pfizer, Moderna and J&J I thought involved 30,000+. And even those the FDA is only giving emergency use authorization.
While perhaps promising, I’ll put my money on something tested tens of thousands of times.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 30, 2021 9:04:58 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jul 30, 2021 11:13:04 GMT -5
Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC 6,587 Out of 163,000,000 fully vaccinated people. Which is .004 percent or 1 in 2500.
There were at least 25,000 cases of flu deaths in the US in the 2019-20 season. Tough to tell how many more than that because some got intertwined w/Covid. So, a vaccinated person 4 times more likely to die of the flu than from a breakthrough Covid case.
Once most people are vaccinated over age 12, what then?
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Post by Chu Chu on Jul 30, 2021 11:35:29 GMT -5
td, Ivermectin does not work! (See above). In addition, it has a long list of adverse reactions: Serious Reactionshypotension, orthostatic tachycardia seizures Stevens-Johnson syndrome toxic epidermal necrolysis asthma exacerbation vision loss conjunctival hemorrhage toxic hepatitis Common Reactions that are usually less seriouspruritus rash fever edema lymphadenopathy headache myalgia dizziness tachycardia abnormal eye sensation limbitis conjunctivitis ocular inflammation hypotension, orthostatic ALT or AST elevated eosinophilia Widespread use of this drug would cause many more problems. It is wrong to encourage it's use without substantial evidence of efficacy. You should stop promoting it.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 30, 2021 11:38:28 GMT -5
Move on to the kids 5-11; bribe the adults who are hesitant to get the proven effective vaccines and, finally, have Pfizer and Moderna work on a flu vaccine so no one has to wear masks like they seem to do every year in Asia. Common cold presumably beyond vaccines. Or are they?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 30, 2021 12:08:56 GMT -5
Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC 6,587 Out of 163,000,000 fully vaccinated people. Which is .004 percent or 1 in 2500. There were at least 25,000 cases of flu deaths in the US in the 2019-20 season. Tough to tell how many more than that because some got intertwined w/Covid. So, a vaccinated person 4 times more likely to die of the flu than from a breakthrough Covid case. Once most people are vaccinated over age 12, what then? You, or a source you heard or read, mis-read the data. Total 6587 Hospitalizations 6239 Of the hospitalizations,1,598 (26%) of 6,239 hospitalizations reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19 Deaths 1263 Of the deaths, 309 (24%) of 1,263 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19 www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html1263 is 0.0007% of 163 million. 0.01% of 163 million is 16,300, 0.001% of 1 63 million is 1,630. 1 in 2500 is 0.04, if I remember my figures correctly.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 30, 2021 13:01:43 GMT -5
Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC 6,587 Out of 163,000,000 fully vaccinated people. Which is .004 percent or 1 in 2500. There were at least 25,000 cases of flu deaths in the US in the 2019-20 season. Tough to tell how many more than that because some got intertwined w/Covid. So, a vaccinated person 4 times more likely to die of the flu than from a breakthrough Covid case. Once most people are vaccinated over age 12, what then? You, or a source you heard or read, mis-read the data. Total 6587 Hospitalizations 6239 Of the hospitalizations,1,598 (26%) of 6,239 hospitalizations reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19 Deaths 1263 Of the deaths, 309 (24%) of 1,263 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19 www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html1263 is 0.0007% of 163 million. 0.01% of 163 million is 16,300, 0.001% of 1 63 million is 1,630. 1 in 2500 is 0.04, if I remember my figures correctly. the point is the numbers for those who did what the potus so ineloquently told us to do have little to fear, but in many places are going to be saddled with more restrictions.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 30, 2021 14:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 30, 2021 14:57:48 GMT -5
You, or a source you heard or read, mis-read the data. Total 6587 Hospitalizations 6239 Of the hospitalizations,1,598 (26%) of 6,239 hospitalizations reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19 Deaths 1263 Of the deaths, 309 (24%) of 1,263 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19 www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html1263 is 0.0007% of 163 million. 0.01% of 163 million is 16,300, 0.001% of 1 63 million is 1,630. 1 in 2500 is 0.04, if I remember my figures correctly. the point is the numbers for those who did what the potus so ineloquently told us to do have little to fear, but in many places are going to be saddled with more restrictions. I have little to fear...until I turn on CNN.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 30, 2021 15:02:42 GMT -5
"The science has not changed, the virus has." At this time it appears Delta is as contagious as chickenpox and the common cold. The virus load transmitted by the vaccinated is as great as the unvaccinated. Hospitalizations & deaths remain extremely low for the vaccinated. However an infected vaccinated friend told me he was very sick at home before he did recover. All the more reason to vaccinate and continue to wear a mask. Dr. Redliner suggestsd the CDC should be less definitive in its statements and more nuanced. To wit: As of now the science indicates... And things could change in the future. In some enlightened states mandates are coming, in others 'tis a pity.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 30, 2021 15:57:43 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Jul 30, 2021 16:15:22 GMT -5
Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC 6,587 Out of 163,000,000 fully vaccinated people. Which is .004 percent or 1 in 2500. There were at least 25,000 cases of flu deaths in the US in the 2019-20 season. Tough to tell how many more than that because some got intertwined w/Covid. So, a vaccinated person 4 times more likely to die of the flu than from a breakthrough Covid case. Once most people are vaccinated over age 12, what then? As panic reaches a fever pitch over the highly contagious Delta variant of COVID-19, new data shows there’s only a minuscule risk of vaccinated Americans becoming seriously sick with breakthrough cases.
Out of 161 million US residents who were fully vaccinated as of July 19, just 5,601 caught a severe breakthrough infection and were hospitalized — an infinitesimal 0.0035 percent of the protected population, according to the latest CDC figures available on post-vaccination infections.
When it comes to deaths, the risk is even lower, with just 1,141 vaccinated people dying from a COVID-19 breakthrough infection — or 0.0007 percent of those fully jabbed.nypost.com/2021/07/29/severe-covid-infections-extremely-low-among-vaccinated-data/
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 30, 2021 23:45:43 GMT -5
"The science has not changed, the virus has." At this time it appears Delta is as contagious as chickenpox and the common cold. The virus load transmitted by the vaccinated is as great as the unvaccinated. Hospitalizations & deaths remain extremely low for the vaccinated. However an infected vaccinated friend told me he was very sick at home before he did recover. All the more reason to vaccinate and continue to wear a mask. Dr. Redliner suggestsd the CDC should be less definitive in its statements and more nuanced. To wit: As of now the science indicates... And things could change in the future. In some enlightened states mandates are coming, in others 'tis a pity. This is a game changer. As a proudly vaccinated individual, looks like it's time to re-evalute my decision to ditch the masks forever (haven't worn won in 2 months). HOWEVER, the major focus needs to remain on getting more people vaccinated, not on mask policing. Unfortunately, mask-wearing overall hasn't been that effective since this pandemic started, and for a few reasons: 1) People not wearing them properly. Esepcially as COVID fatigue has worn on, I've seen a lot more noses exposed and masks being worn as chin-straps. Obviously not effective. 2) So many of these designer masks are being worn in the street new as opposed to N95 (most effective) or surgical masks. Studies have shown that wearing some of these types of face coverings actually project your droplets further than if you wore no face covering at all.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 31, 2021 14:46:14 GMT -5
I discovered one positive from the pandemic. If you have used disposable face masks and tomato plants, you can pull the two elasticized strings out before disposing the mask as they are the perfect size to tie tomato vines to a stake. And the stretchy string provides a little more give when needed.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 31, 2021 17:00:32 GMT -5
Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC 6,587 Out of 163,000,000 fully vaccinated people. Which is .004 percent or 1 in 2500. There were at least 25,000 cases of flu deaths in the US in the 2019-20 season. Tough to tell how many more than that because some got intertwined w/Covid. So, a vaccinated person 4 times more likely to die of the flu than from a breakthrough Covid case. Once most people are vaccinated over age 12, what then? As panic reaches a fever pitch over the highly contagious Delta variant of COVID-19, new data shows there’s only a minuscule risk of vaccinated Americans becoming seriously sick with breakthrough cases.
Out of 161 million US residents who were fully vaccinated as of July 19, just 5,601 caught a severe breakthrough infection and were hospitalized — an infinitesimal 0.0035 percent of the protected population, according to the latest CDC figures available on post-vaccination infections.
When it comes to deaths, the risk is even lower, with just 1,141 vaccinated people dying from a COVID-19 breakthrough infection — or 0.0007 percent of those fully jabbed.nypost.com/2021/07/29/severe-covid-infections-extremely-low-among-vaccinated-data/Disappointment, yes; panic, hardly. I was shopping in Ptown this PM (900 cases since July 4) and can attest that while people were wearing masks indoors (as required, locally), I witnessed no panic. Of the 900 cases (3/4 fully vaccinated, only 7 hospitalizations and no deaths) which must explain the absence of panic.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 31, 2021 18:11:41 GMT -5
With the Delta Variant Surge, will Holy Cross and other PL schools require proof of vaccination to attend events on campus this fall?
It is an issue that must be addressed and stated regarding policy within the next three weeks. Has anyone seen a statement from a school regarding attendance at their home games for the 2021 season?
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Post by hcpride on Jul 31, 2021 18:43:47 GMT -5
As panic reaches a fever pitch over the highly contagious Delta variant of COVID-19, new data shows there’s only a minuscule risk of vaccinated Americans becoming seriously sick with breakthrough cases.
Out of 161 million US residents who were fully vaccinated as of July 19, just 5,601 caught a severe breakthrough infection and were hospitalized — an infinitesimal 0.0035 percent of the protected population, according to the latest CDC figures available on post-vaccination infections.
When it comes to deaths, the risk is even lower, with just 1,141 vaccinated people dying from a COVID-19 breakthrough infection — or 0.0007 percent of those fully jabbed.nypost.com/2021/07/29/severe-covid-infections-extremely-low-among-vaccinated-data/ Disappointment, yes; panic, hardly. I was shopping in Ptown this PM (900 cases since July 4) and can attest that while people were wearing masks indoors (as required, locally), I witnessed no panic. Of the 900 cases (3/4 fully vaccinated, only 7 hospitalizations and no deaths) which must explain the absence of panic. I read that as a CDC/media panic. With a touch of panic- mongering. (Alluding to the masking of the fully vaccinated and k-12 schools.)
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 31, 2021 19:01:27 GMT -5
Ptown proves that vaccinated people are spreading the virus. So what is the big deal with wearing masks even if it helps just slightly? In states with low vaccination rates, the people who work in hospitals are justified in being very worried about Delta. Florida, today, reported 21,700 new Covid cases, the highest number since the start of the pandemic. Some hospitals there are postponing non emergency surgeries.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 31, 2021 19:20:34 GMT -5
There has been so much footage of refrigerated morgue trucks backed up to hospitals and of every other gruesome aspect of this pandemic, it might be a small positive that many of us are conditioned to be more careful than the risk now indicates because we have these images imprinted in our memory.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 31, 2021 20:17:09 GMT -5
With the Delta Variant Surge, will Holy Cross and other PL schools require proof of vaccination to attend events on campus this fall? It is an issue that must be addressed and stated regarding policy within the next three weeks. Has anyone seen a statement from a school regarding attendance at their home games for the 2021 season? Outdoors or indoors? Big difference.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 31, 2021 20:29:38 GMT -5
With the Delta Variant Surge, will Holy Cross and other PL schools require proof of vaccination to attend events on campus this fall? It is an issue that must be addressed and stated regarding policy within the next three weeks. Has anyone seen a statement from a school regarding attendance at their home games for the 2021 season? Outdoors or indoors? Big difference. Polar Park has no mandates for either the outdoor or indoor areas and masks are few and far between.
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