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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2021 12:45:16 GMT -5
As of yesterday 63% of all people in Canada were fully vaccinated while 50% of all people in the U.S. were. Why are they so much better at "putting the biscuit in the basket" on this health issue than us? They have no current vaccine manufacturing capacity and got off to a late start.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2021 12:47:56 GMT -5
I do remember people saying the flu was more contagious than Covid 19 , but I don't recall seeing anyone saying "it was just the flu." On the other hand, I am among the "old people" so what do I know. Don't you remember the head honcho calling it the China Flu?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 14, 2021 12:48:51 GMT -5
Re: Canada
Different demographics and/or different politicians/bureaucracies??
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 14, 2021 13:24:42 GMT -5
I do remember people saying the flu was more contagious than Covid 19 , but I don't recall seeing anyone saying "it was just the flu." On the other hand, I am among the "old people" so what do I know. Don't you remember the head honcho calling it the China Flu? Did he ever post on Crossports? That was what prompted my response. "Just remember some on this site said its just the Flu."
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2021 13:33:20 GMT -5
Re: Canada Different demographics and/or different politicians/bureaucracies?? Life expectancy is 83.4 years in Canada compared to 80.3 years in the U.S. They are doing something right. Our bloated, hugely expensive health care system might be part of the problem. Canadians live longer while only devoting 10.6% of their economy to healthcare while the U.S. devotes 17.1%. Canadians have 2.31 physicians per 1000 people who keep them alive longer than the 2.61 physicians per 1000 people in the U.S. So my guess it is our overpriced healthcare system that is profit motivated that is a key culprit. That includes big Pharma that we've been learning about from TD 128.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2021 13:35:34 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 14, 2021 14:39:06 GMT -5
And to think how Americans have been brainwashed by the AMA and Pharma to get the shivers about the inferior socialized Canadian medical system.
Seems far more efficient than a hodgepodge of medical plans that in the US is state by state base. If you have a serious illness, traveling out of state can be an issue if you need treatment while on vacation, because care will be out of network. Time for people to wake up and realize they have been bamboozled regarding how great the US health care system has provided for the average citizen, who is not enrolled in a employer based plan that has a robust benefit structure.
The pandemic has shown light on how changes must be made to ensure a consistent medical care system. A refocus should be made regarding how Private and Public investment can lead in medical innovation and cost efficiency.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 14, 2021 14:41:50 GMT -5
To be fair, if you have a serious illness in Canada you may have to wait for treatment, especially if you are older. That is why so many Canadians come to the U,S. for operations. Drugs manufactured in the U.S. are cheaper in Canada, so some Americans go there for their drugs.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 14, 2021 15:04:00 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong, the current Canadian system is not utopia. The reason for the wait may be due to the number of Doctors graduating from Canadian medical schools. There are 17 accredited medical schools in Canada. Ontario is Canada’s most populous province with almost 14 million people, but has 6 of the 17 medical schools.
It seems as if the accreditation process that is required by the Canadian Medical Association and the AMA continues to be a roadblock to limit the number of physicians accepted and graduating each year. The available care in both countries need to be addressed. But at least in Canada your medical care doe not require the navigation through a Byzantine system for each of the 50 states, that has a level of misunderstanding regarding in network and out of network providers and facilities.
During my career, I spent 45 years in the insurance industry, 9 of which was solely focused on health care inquiry systems. It can be very frustrating for the average citizen to attempt to understand their plan and how their level of benefits is based on how well their employer will fund what is available to them by the carrier they select.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 14, 2021 15:33:52 GMT -5
Ontario has 35% of the medical schools and 38% of the country's population--seems to be in balance
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2021 16:03:07 GMT -5
And I assume some Toronto Med School grads go back to Iceberg Falls to practice.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 14, 2021 16:38:09 GMT -5
The Med schools should increase their class enrollment to ensure there are a sufficient number of graduates to meet the requirements of the population.
All to often a number of med school students have to go off shore to receive their training. A friend’s daughter who graduated from Quinnipiac, before they started their Med School, ended up going to Ross University School of Medicine. When she attended the campus was located in Portsmouth Dominica, but after she graduated, the University had to relocate to Bridgetown, Barbados due to damage caused by Hurricane Maria in 2017. She is now Board Certified, and head of a department at a level 1 trauma center.
Time to shine the light on the limited number of seats in each medical school, as well as the cost and financial burden that each student must taken on to graduate. There are solutions to this problem, unfortunately no one is stepping up to underwrite the cost of increased enrollment needed to provide a cost beneficial delivery system.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 14, 2021 17:35:47 GMT -5
Isn’t the reason for the wait for services due to the lack of Doctors in the system?
If so, the Federal Government of Canada should make a financial commitment to increase the enrollment to serve the population efficiently.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Aug 14, 2021 18:19:38 GMT -5
And to think how Americans have been brainwashed by the AMA and Pharma to get the shivers about the inferior socialized Canadian medical system. Seems far more efficient than a hodgepodge of medical plans that in the US is state by state base. If you have a serious illness, traveling out of state can be an issue if you need treatment while on vacation, because care will be out of network. Time for people to wake up and realize they have been bamboozled regarding how great the US health care system has provided for the average citizen, who is not enrolled in a employer based plan that has a robust benefit structure. The pandemic has shown light on how changes must be made to ensure a consistent medical care system. A refocus should be made regarding how Private and. Public investment can lead in medical innovation and cost efficiency. I am teaching a class in global health systems and the role of bio pharma. As a former C Suite member in a Fortune 100 and board member in the industry (for full disclosure), I respectfully disagree and can give countless examples of Canadians seeking US care so they don't die in a waiting line. The US systems inefficient, but our quality is world class. Politics has slowed innovation and hurt the American public. We talk about health equity which is bloody insanity. That means government makes decisions and we end up at the lowest common denominator for care. In the US that is called Medicaid, where we have Medicaid mills and the quality of care is not what any human deserves. We need to improve what we offer, and being on Medicare, I hate it and it is far less of a benefit that I enjoyed with a company. But both Medicaid and Medicare outperform Canada every day Why do you hate Medicare? I have been on it for nearly ten years (with supplemental insurance), have had three surgeries while on it and have noticed no difference in health care pre and post Medicare. My wife (also on Medicare) has been hospitalized twice in the last three months, once in the ICU, and has received top notch care.
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Post by possum on Aug 14, 2021 18:20:48 GMT -5
EFG glad to hear your company provided you with a Cadillac health plan but I think that's the exception rather than the rule. Most major companies now pay less toward employee insurance plans that basically suck. I'll take Medicare any day of the week and most people I talk to can't wait to qualify.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 14, 2021 18:36:05 GMT -5
Expand the admissions w/o dropping standards? Hope it can be done if attempted.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 14, 2021 19:35:01 GMT -5
EFG glad to hear your company provided you with a Cadillac health plan but I think that's the exception rather than the rule. Most major companies now pay less toward employee insurance plans that basically suck. I'll take Medicare any day of the week and most people I talk to can't wait to qualify. Possum I just think the eldely process for accessing the system and payment decisions should be easy for all participants.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 14, 2021 19:46:07 GMT -5
All I want to know is has anyone here called the Medicare Advantage Hot Line that Joe Namath and JJ "Dy No Mite" Walker implore people to call? I thought not.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 14, 2021 20:06:18 GMT -5
During my career, I worked for two of the major US health care insurers. After 1990, the Benefit Plan regarding the richness of the medical plan deteriorate with each renewal period. When I switched to another company, that did not sell health insurance, my medical plan was better because the plan administrator was not an employee of the health insurance company that was keeping the plan in house.
When you are in a large experience rating pool, and the plan administrators can shop your benefits to multiple companies at renewal, you can have a Cadillac plan that will cover far more than an individual who will be shopping on the exchange. Working for a health insurance company, you are in a captured plan, without choice regarding your carrier at renewal. It’s like dinner time for little kids, this is what Mom has cooked, and you have no options. Shut up kid and eat the Liver and onions. ☹️
My my biggest problem with all Health Insurance plans is they are specific regarding in networks, and out of network Doctors. When you are ill, you want help at the nearest hospital, with the first doctor who can see you. The last thing you are asking the doctor, if you can get to the ER is....Hey Doc, are you in my network, otherwise, let me see someone who is.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2021 20:07:50 GMT -5
The Med schools should increase their class enrollment to ensure there are a sufficient number of graduates to meet the requirements of the population. All to often a number of med school students have to go off shore to receive their training. A friend’s daughter who graduated from Quinnipiac, before they started their Med School, ended up going to Ross University School of Medicine. When she attended the campus was located in Portsmouth Dominica, but after she graduated, the University had to relocate to Bridgetown, Barbados due to damage caused by Hurricane Maria in 2017. She is now Board Certified, and head of a department at a level 1 trauma center. Time to shine the light on the limited number of seats in each medical school, as well as the cost and financial burden that each student must taken on to graduate. There are solutions to this problem, unfortunately no one is stepping up to underwrite the cost of increased enrollment needed to provide a cost beneficial delivery system. Quinnipiac has a Medical School? I did not know that as Johnny used to say. First they pass us in hockey, now they have a Medical School. It's like HC is in the break down lane and waving schools by.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 14, 2021 20:08:53 GMT -5
I thank God frequently for Medicare (with BCBS supplement). I have a decent pension and retirement plans but my surgeries and many and varied medical visits would put me in a bind.
I know many of the doctors hate it as they often get less for their services but for many of them, most of their patients are elderly. Somehow my PCP and her partner/husband can afford Lexus autos and their daughter hopes to get into Holy Cross next year so I doubt they are just scraping by or have need for financial aid.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 14, 2021 20:17:06 GMT -5
The Med schools should increase their class enrollment to ensure there are a sufficient number of graduates to meet the requirements of the population. All to often a number of med school students have to go off shore to receive their training. A friend’s daughter who graduated from Quinnipiac, before they started their Med School, ended up going to Ross University School of Medicine. When she attended the campus was located in Portsmouth Dominica, but after she graduated, the University had to relocate to Bridgetown, Barbados due to damage caused by Hurricane Maria in 2017. She is now Board Certified, and head of a department at a level 1 trauma center. Time to shine the light on the limited number of seats in each medical school, as well as the cost and financial burden that each student must taken on to graduate. There are solutions to this problem, unfortunately no one is stepping up to underwrite the cost of increased enrollment needed to provide a cost beneficial delivery system. Quinnipiac has a Medical School? I did not know that as Johnny used to say. First they pass us in hockey, now they have a Medical School. It's like HC is in the break down lane and waving schools by. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_H._Netter_MD_School_of_Medicine_at_Quinnipiac_UniversityThe Frank H. Netter M.D. School of Medicine was established in 2010 with a $100 million investment from the family of Frank H. Netter, the renowned surgeon and medical illustrator. It welcomed its first class in 2013. The school of medicine received full accreditation from the LCME in February 2017. Netter is one of about a dozen new medical schools established in anticipation of increased demand for medical professionals following the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the aging of the baby boomer generation.[5][6]Upon opening, it had a strong message that highlighted its desire for graduates to pursue primary care.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2021 20:25:35 GMT -5
If I had nine figures the Anthony S. Fauci School of Medicine and Public Health at the College of the Holy Cross would go up somewhere in the immediate area.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 14, 2021 20:43:15 GMT -5
Expand the admissions w/o dropping standards? Hope it can be done if attempted. I have known several Pre Meds, with very good grades, that would have been excellent Doctors, but could not get into a US Med school, and had to attend school in either Italy or Mexico. They ended up passing and received certification in the US. Forty five years ago, I went to see a physician, who happen to have attended Harvard undergrad and Med. The first time I saw him, I thought he was having a bad day. The second time I saw him, he was the same miserable pompous dude from my first visit. My second visit was my last to see him as he had no ability for patient rapport with me. I did not fawn over his Harvard degree. Years later, I encountered another Doctor, who was equally as miserable. This time I did not give him the benefit of the doubt. As I walked out of the office, I knew that was going to be the last time, even though I had been going to that practice and seeing another physician who had just retired. My impression was confirmed regarding the second Doctor when I had a discussion with another Holy Cross Alum, whose wife works for the practice that I transferred my medical records. Too many people, who would make excellent physicians are Gerrymandered out of the Med School admissions process. Can you honestly say that a Pre med with a 3.9, would be a better Doctor than a 3.7? I have encountered too many 3.9’s who would be better clinicians than physicians.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 14, 2021 21:12:44 GMT -5
Think about it—-if they were smart, charming, and personable they would have gone into sales & marketing instead of settling for a medical career.😊
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