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Post by purplehaze on Jul 12, 2022 9:13:49 GMT -5
Did we pick Wilbar over Vander Baan ? That would surprise me
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Post by Tom on Jul 12, 2022 10:12:07 GMT -5
If Vander Baan jr is headed to PA, I hope he's planning on studying engineering
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Post by hchoops on Jul 12, 2022 11:56:10 GMT -5
Did we pick Wilbar over Vander Baan ? That would surprise me Did we sign Wilbur earlier than March ?(when VB hit the portal)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 12, 2022 11:57:25 GMT -5
Wilbur signed in early May.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 12, 2022 12:23:20 GMT -5
Justin Vander Baan (BC 7' center and cousin of Alex) entered the portal on March 25, 2022. Hearing from a reliable source that he will be coming to the Hart Center this coming season, but just not as a member of the Crusader basketball team... likely to be a Bison, Mountain Hawk or Leopard.... stay tuned! There may be truth in part of that report, but not all of it. Bucknell has no available scholarships for this season, which has been the case for two months. Lafayette may have one available, depending on whether Zambie is a walk-on, which I think is the case. Also it appears Lehigh has one available, although it is hard to tell because Brett Reed usually has a large number of walk-ons. Either four or five at present. If there is any chance VDB would have chosen Bucknell, then I will be even more disgusted with Nathan Davis than I already am. He opted to throw away a scholarship on a project 7-footer, who had no other offers and who won't be a contributor for a few years if ever, following a pattern of wasting a scholarship every April on a player who has no other offers. VDB is massively better than the guy Bucknell wasted the scholarship on.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 12, 2022 12:25:36 GMT -5
If Vander Baan jr is headed to PA, I hope he's planning on studying engineering He was an education major at BC. Chance of him studying engineering at his new school is approximately zero.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 12, 2022 12:33:10 GMT -5
Bucknell is a fine university. I could not imagine they wpiuld lower their high standards to admit merely a b-ball player. Honestly. I would be shocked & disheartened.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 12, 2022 12:38:33 GMT -5
Bucknell is a fine university. I could not imagine they wpiuld lower their high standards to admit merely a b-ball player. Honestly. I would be shocked & disheartened. At this point, they couldn't even take a transfer from Kentucky or Duke or Kansas since Nathan Davis has chosen to not have any available scholarships.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 12, 2022 13:08:44 GMT -5
Bucknell is a fine university. I could not imagine they wpiuld lower their high standards to admit merely a b-ball player. Honestly. I would be shocked & disheartened. What makes you believe Vander Baan wouldn't qualify?
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Post by bison137 on Jul 12, 2022 13:38:49 GMT -5
Bucknell is a fine university. I could not imagine they wpiuld lower their high standards to admit merely a b-ball player. Honestly. I would be shocked & disheartened. What makes you believe Vander Baan wouldn't qualify? That is the same question I was going to ask. As for Bucknell, like HC they have reasonable standards for transfers. And like HC (and every other D1 program in the U.S.), there is a little more leeway given to athletes. In its 20-year scholarship history, Bucknell has brought in three transfers: Brian Fitzpatrick (from Penn), Miles Latimer (from Stony Brook), and Jack Forrest (Columbia and St. Joes). All three of them had Bucknell offers out of high school and qualified under the PL academic index. Also all three had multiple Ivy/PL offers out of high school.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 12, 2022 14:19:49 GMT -5
In all fairness with the Wilbar vs. JVB thing, in terms of actual D-1 production has JVB done more at this point?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 12, 2022 14:28:39 GMT -5
JVB—11 games, 5.2 mpg, 1.2 ppg, 1.4 rpg
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Post by mm67 on Jul 12, 2022 16:14:44 GMT -5
Re: Vanderbaan. Must have misunderstood. Thought the reference to education major was a veiled criticism of his academics. Peace.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 12, 2022 17:32:13 GMT -5
Re: Vanderbaan. Must have misunderstood. Thought the reference to education major was a veiled criticism of his academics. Peace. It wasn’t at all intended as a slight of his academics. I was merely pointing out that someone who has majored in education for a few years doesn’t suddenly become an engineering major. That would be true of most majors.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Jul 12, 2022 18:06:19 GMT -5
JVB to Lehigh, happened a while ago although haven’t seen anything publicly posted.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 12, 2022 18:37:10 GMT -5
Re: Vanderbaan. Must have misunderstood. Thought the reference to education major was a veiled criticism of his academics. Peace. It wasn’t at all intended as a slight of his academics. I was merely pointing out that someone who has majored in education for a few years doesn’t suddenly become an engineering major. That would be true of most majors. Obviously it was my misreading not your post. No offense was intended.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 12, 2022 18:55:55 GMT -5
Bucknell is a fine university. I could not imagine they wpiuld lower their high standards to admit merely a b-ball player. Honestly. I would be shocked & disheartened. Nothing in today’s world of sports would shock me and being disheartened might go with the territory of being a fan
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Post by Xmassader on Jul 12, 2022 22:28:51 GMT -5
What makes you believe Vander Baan wouldn't qualify? That is the same question I was going to ask. As for Bucknell, like HC they have reasonable standards for transfers. And like HC (and every other D1 program in the U.S.), there is a little more leeway given to athletes. In its 20-year scholarship history, Bucknell has brought in three transfers: Brian Fitzpatrick (from Penn), Miles Latimer (from Stony Brook), and Jack Forrest (Columbia and St. Joes). All three of them had Bucknell offers out of high school and qualified under the PL academic index. Also all three had multiple Ivy/PL offers out of high school. As I understand it, for any PL school to accept a transfer, the transfer must meet two academic standards 1) acceptable performance at his previous school AND 2) an academic profile coming out of high school that would allow him to be admitted under the PL academic index. So, for Tse, Wilbar, Octave, etc. they must have had a high school academic profile that would have allowed them to qualify under the PL academic index as entering freshmen. Based on info on this board, Octave and Wilbar had high school GPAs of 3.6-4.0, making it probable that they would have passed the AI test as entering freshmen. Probably Tse as well. Who knows with Vanderbaan? If he did and HC didn’t pursue him after he left BC…then he lands at another PL school, that’s disappointing..at best.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 12, 2022 22:59:37 GMT -5
That is the same question I was going to ask. As for Bucknell, like HC they have reasonable standards for transfers. And like HC (and every other D1 program in the U.S.), there is a little more leeway given to athletes. In its 20-year scholarship history, Bucknell has brought in three transfers: Brian Fitzpatrick (from Penn), Miles Latimer (from Stony Brook), and Jack Forrest (Columbia and St. Joes). All three of them had Bucknell offers out of high school and qualified under the PL academic index. Also all three had multiple Ivy/PL offers out of high school. As I understand it, for any PL school to accept a transfer, the transfer must meet two academic standards 1) acceptable performance at his previous school AND 2) an academic profile coming out of high school that would allow him to be admitted under the PL academic index. So, for Tse, Wilbar, Octave, etc. they must have had a high school academic profile that would have allowed them to qualify under the PL academic index as entering freshmen. Based on info on this board, Octave and Wilbar had high school GPAs of 3.6-4.0, making it probable that they would have passed the AI test as entering freshmen. Probably Tse as well. Who knows with Vanderbaan? If he did and HC didn’t pursue him after he left BC…then he lands at another PL school, that’s disappointing..at best. According to a PL coach that I talked with, once an athlete is into the second semester of sophomore year his original academic index is no longer applicable. At that point the only thing the patriot league looks at is his college GPA. I don’t agree with that because the college GPA might be based on courses in basket weaving from the worst college in the country, but that’s the way it is. It’s up to each school to show the proper amount of academic discipline. As for the AI for entering freshmen, don’t forget that half of that calculation normally is based on a students SAT score.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 13, 2022 13:19:38 GMT -5
You have illuminated a potential work around of the AI.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 13, 2022 13:39:32 GMT -5
If a school is going to try to work around a league's academic standards such as AI then it would make no sense for the school to remain in that league. Why join a league if you are going to game the system? What's the point? To win a PL championship? Big deal! Especially, at the PL level it just makes no sense. These are anonymous, insignificant programs from a league of small academics-first schools.
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Post by trimster on Jul 13, 2022 14:15:08 GMT -5
If a school is going to try to work around a league's academic standards such as AI then it would make no sense for the school to remain in that league. Why join a league if you are going to game the system? What's the point? To win a PL championship? Big deal! Especially, at the PL level it just makes no sense. These are largely anonymous, insignificant programs from a league of small academic-first schools. You could probably drop the word largely from your last sentence.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 13, 2022 16:26:19 GMT -5
But no one to date would seem to be using the work around; or at least to any noticeable degree. Hopefully, things will stay that way. Let's hope that there's no "transfer Academic Index" waiting in the wings; at some point doing the right thing has to take precedence.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 13, 2022 16:51:12 GMT -5
One may hope it is and that "doing the right thing" does emerge from this, but past experience suggests that with the FBS "leading" the way that will not necessarily be the case.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 13, 2022 23:05:07 GMT -5
A high school student with SAT scores well below the average of a PL Freshman class but who gets good grades in a normal major for two years at a less selective school would have a good probability of succeeding academically at a PL school.
The SAT tests aptitude, not actually applying yourself to your studies.
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