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Post by mm67 on Jul 20, 2022 12:02:29 GMT -5
HC's basketball program is a mess. No need to say it. But, after all these years advising to go slow, I've had it. I needed to vent.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 20, 2022 12:09:11 GMT -5
Hope his decision to transfer makes sense academically. Otherwise, doesn't tell us anything we don't already know concerning both the player and the staff.
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Post by Tom on Jul 20, 2022 12:21:10 GMT -5
Repeated changes of head coaches after short stints is not a positive for HC basketball. However, the current coach has failed on the most basic level. His record of failure speaks for itself. Transfers are a fact of life. However, it is apparent this coach does not engender any loyalty. His inability to hold onto "his guys" is astounding. Quite simply most players do not want to pay for this coach. The youngsters can't get away fast enough. The time is long gone for this coach to enter the transfer portal and leave Worcester. I don't disagree with anything you say, but in this case it might simply be that the player realized that he was in over his head, basketball-wise. Of course, that raises the question of why this coach has brought in so many players who weren't D-1 players. "so many players who weren't D-I players" seems harsh. Of Coach Nelson's recruits, the only one I can think of who left and didn't land in D-I is Humphrey. As a walk on, I'm not sure Oron counts as a recruit. By my count, five of Coach Nelson's recruits have left (plus a lot of inherited players).Four went D-I and one is hanging in limbo
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Post by breezy on Jul 20, 2022 13:09:28 GMT -5
Both gone.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 20, 2022 13:18:26 GMT -5
The average PL MBB team had 6.7 honorees. Perhaps "Attack and Serve" is too intangible for the players to master. None of us can figure it out.
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Post by Xmassader on Jul 20, 2022 14:08:56 GMT -5
I don't disagree with anything you say, but in this case it might simply be that the player realized that he was in over his head, basketball-wise. Of course, that raises the question of why this coach has brought in so many players who weren't D-1 players. "so many players who weren't D-I players" seems harsh. Of Coach Nelson's recruits, the only one I can think of who left and didn't land in D-I is Humphrey. As a walk on, I'm not sure Oron counts as a recruit. By my count, five of Coach Nelson's recruits have left (plus a lot of inherited players).Four went D-I and one is hanging in limbo
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Post by Xmassader on Jul 20, 2022 14:11:25 GMT -5
Word is that Bubba will follow the Lowder path. Jr. college in ‘22-‘23 and then hopefully land another D-1 spot in ‘23-‘24,.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 20, 2022 15:18:23 GMT -5
Would love to learn the back-story of Vanderbaan to Lafayette - In the middle of last season i was projecting (with another poster here) that he'd end up in Worcester - was he simply not interested ? did admissions reject him? Did we consider Wilbar a better talent ? After getting no offers from major conferences, did he call HC too late ? Give him a call. You can probably find his # somewhere. There can’t be too may Vanderbaan’s in the Northbridge/Uxbridge area. Just call Whitinsville Christian and ask for the principal. He can direct you to the right family.
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Post by Tom on Jul 20, 2022 15:25:53 GMT -5
Word is that Bubba will follow the Lowder path. Jr. college in ‘22-‘23 and then hopefully land another D-1 spot in ‘23-‘24,. I hope that works out for him. It's a pretty big gamble to walk away from a free education
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 20, 2022 16:30:17 GMT -5
Word is that Bubba will follow the Lowder path. Jr. college in ‘22-‘23 and then hopefully land another D-1 spot in ‘23-‘24,. I hope that works out for him. It's a pretty big gamble to walk away from a free education Bubba and Drew are both from Michigan but passed like ships in the night at Holy Cross. We need another Stanley Grayson out of the Motor City.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 20, 2022 16:41:15 GMT -5
HC's basketball program is a mess. No need to say it. But, after all these years advising to go slow, I've had it. I needed to vent. Not close to a mess-it is a heart breaker and we must make a great/inspirational hire and a healthy investment in the program—create excitement -and build a top level OOC schedule if we are staying in the PL 13 OOC games with 6 top 50 teams on the road and 7 regional favorites with no guaranteed wins scheduled recruiting will change with a respected coach and a great schedule
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 20, 2022 16:45:42 GMT -5
HC's basketball program is a mess. No need to say it. But, after all these years advising to go slow, I've had it. I needed to vent. Not close to a mess-it is a heart breaker and we must make a great/inspirational hire and a healthy investment in the program—create excitement -and build a top level OOC schedule if we are staying in the PL 13 OOC games with 6 top 50 teams on the road and 7 regional favorites with no guaranteed wins scheduled recruiting will change with a respected coach and a great schedule Good point about the scheduling. In a one bid league the OOC W/L record is insignificant so why schedule guaranteed wins?
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Post by efg72 on Jul 20, 2022 16:58:51 GMT -5
Plus they are pay games -well for the first two/three years until we start winning a few of those games
a return to credibility and being a hoops role model✝️✝️✝️🏀🏀🏀
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Post by efg72 on Jul 20, 2022 17:24:59 GMT -5
The great things about basketball are Trust and respect for the head coach matters managing the team and closing during the recruiting process Assistants that can identify talent, while teaching and developing players makes for a winning program At our level a PG, Scorer/Swing, and inside player compete for championships
So three quality players, a real coach, and a great OOC schedule makes basketball a real easy sport to be a top team each year
So looking forward to the 23-24 seasons and beyond when the heart break will end and the future will be bright
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 20, 2022 19:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by DiMarz on Jul 20, 2022 19:53:14 GMT -5
HC's basketball program is a mess. No need to say it. But, after all these years advising to go slow, I've had it. I needed to vent. Not close to a mess-it is a heart breaker and we must make a great/inspirational hire and a healthy investment in the program—create excitement -and build a top level OOC schedule if we are staying in the PL 13 OOC games with 6 top 50 teams on the road and 7 regional favorites with no guaranteed wins scheduled
recruiting will change with a respected coach and a great schedule It's not just a snap of the fingers to create that schedule..This means HC must find 13 schools willing to play us, and that a date will fit into the schools schedule....Not as easy as it seems..It would be a great schedule, if it could be built!
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Post by efg72 on Jul 20, 2022 19:58:48 GMT -5
I understand
But it also is not as difficult as it might seem. We must give more, and accommodate our opponent to make it work, but most things can be made to happen if there is a will
We should do whatever is needed for the next three years to create a great OOC schedule
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Post by hchoops on Jul 20, 2022 20:05:25 GMT -5
Hard to ask a new coach to schedule multiple losses.when his job is on the line.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 20, 2022 20:12:17 GMT -5
Brett Nelson has to know that not only is his current job on the line, his whole career as a head coach hangs in the balance. Who would ever hire him as a head coach at any level if the Crusaders have another abysmal W-L record in 22-23?
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Post by pcfriar on Jul 20, 2022 20:14:58 GMT -5
Brett Nelson has to know that not only is his current job on the line, his whole career as a head coach hangs in the balance. Who would ever hire him as a head coach at any level if the Crusaders have another abysmal W-L record in 22-23? a fish rots from the head down
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Post by efg72 on Jul 20, 2022 20:22:04 GMT -5
Hard to ask a new coach to schedule multiple losses.when his job is on the line. Agree with that, but if we hire the right coach that shouldn’t be the issue
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 20, 2022 21:46:44 GMT -5
Hard to ask a new coach to schedule multiple losses.when his job is on the line. A coach entering year 4 is not a "new coach".
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Post by hchoops on Jul 20, 2022 21:51:40 GMT -5
The post immediately above this one was by efg 72 and referred to the coach after Nelson. So did my post.
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Post by trimster on Jul 21, 2022 7:49:29 GMT -5
Brett Nelson has to know that not only is his current job on the line, his whole career as a head coach hangs in the balance. Who would ever hire him as a head coach at any level if the Crusaders have another abysmal W-L record in 22-23? Exactly. Maybe a D3 but I doubt that as well. He is looking at finishing his career as a D1 asst if next year turns out to be another dreadful year. As you said, he has a lot on the line.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 21, 2022 8:45:20 GMT -5
In many respects, I feel badly for Nelson. Not for the excuse some posters posit that he inherited such a bad crop of players from Carmody but because with 20/20 hindsight for some of us but in the opinion of those with greater expertise, he was eminently unqualified for a head coach position at Holy Cross.
No head coaching experience and never having to recruit in a high academic environment. Probably started with two strikes against him.
He did take a struggling, mediocre program to the depths of D-1 basketball. A good coach can take a mediocre team and make them better. He has not done that. He indeed has taken the team to a level where the sum equals less than the individual parts.
My bar is set so low for the coming season that even he has a chance to make it.
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