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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 28, 2016 11:22:14 GMT -5
And, despite all of the problems you have laid out, Caro, we still had a top 100 team beat before an epic collapse in the final 18 seconds. We did more good than bad against Monmouth, whether you want to admit that or not. How many back door layups did we beat them for? Eight? Our spacing on offense and ability to generate open space in the paint to execute backdoors for layups has certainly improved tremendously. However, how often can we realistically expect to shot 58% on 3's, making 14 of them? If we even decreased our 3FG% a little bit to 50% yesterday, that's 6 extra points that we lose, which makes a huge difference when you're allowing so many easy baskets (and offensive rebounds) at the other end. I guess my point is that it's going to be a lot more difficult for us to consistently shoot that high of a percentage from 3 than it is for opposing teams to continue shooting ~50% if our defense is going to give up so many easy baskets (and offensive rebounds).
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 28, 2016 11:28:05 GMT -5
Wrong. There is a very distinct difference between "stick to the gameplan" and "play our brand of basketball so the other teams adjust to us." The former means executing the gameplan that was developed through scouting and practice, most often including specific scouting for the particular opponent, while the latter basically says "our best will beat your best." The latter is a losing philosophy against more talented teams, as evidenced by the ease at which good teams shoot 50%+ against us, an average margin of defeat of 37 in four games against Power Conference teams (with a low of 32), etc. etc. We could have fo used solely on how South Carolina and Cuse played for weeks and it would not have impacted the score. you take KC's quote to its illogical conclusion that we disregarded the other team entirely. That is your otion, bit I think you are looking to seize on little things to support the conclusion you already have reached. So be it, but I disagree. I am not taking KC's quote in a vacuum, as Coach Carmody has either explicitly or hinted at this philosophy several times in the past, including prior to losing to Oregon by 39. I am also not saying that we disregard other teams entirely, but rather that we are far more focused on ourselves (mainly the PO), than on scouting and developing gameplans for specific opponents.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 28, 2016 11:29:32 GMT -5
And, despite all of the problems you have laid out, Caro, we still had a top 100 team beat before an epic collapse in the final 18 seconds. We did more good than bad against Monmouth, whether you want to admit that or not. How many back door layups did we beat them for? Eight? I guess my point is that it's going to be a lot more difficult for us to consistently shoot that high of a percentage from 3 than it is for opposing teams to continue shooting ~50% if our defense is going to give up so many easy baskets (and offensive rebounds). Totally agree on this point. The following trend is no doubt a cause for concern relating to 2PT FG: South Carolina: 15 / 22 Syracuse: 20 / 32 UMASS: 15 / 20 Harvard: 8 / 16 SC State: 21 / 39 Monmouth 21 / 36
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 28, 2016 12:19:49 GMT -5
Are our starters still learning the po? Based on what I saw yesterday we have 6 who are instinctively executing the PO... one is still turning down open shots that CBC wants him to take... 2 others on the bench are starting to be more instinctive in the PO... D rebounding out of what ever we're playing is still WIP...Quality bigs are a problem but it appears they cannot dunk enough to beat us
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 28, 2016 13:02:30 GMT -5
We could have fo used solely on how South Carolina and Cuse played for weeks and it would not have impacted the score. Â you take KC's quote to its illogical conclusion that we disregarded the other team entirely. Â That is your otion, bit I think you are looking to seize on little things to support the conclusion you already have reached. So be it, but I disagree. I am not taking KC's quote in a vacuum, as Coach Carmody has either explicitly or hinted at this philosophy several times in the past, including prior to losing to Oregon by 39. I am also not saying that we disregard other teams entirely, but rather that we are far more focused on ourselves (mainly the PO), than on scouting and developing gameplans for specific opponents. See my earlier post about Oregon and Coach Carmody's comments about the game. Losing to Oregon by 39 had nothing to do with his coaching and game prep philosophy.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 28, 2016 21:22:51 GMT -5
An extremely relevant quote from the article on Mark Daigneault that Sons of Vaval just posted:
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Post by lou on Nov 28, 2016 21:31:43 GMT -5
Relevant to what?
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Post by HC92 on Nov 28, 2016 21:32:43 GMT -5
Why not bold and quote and make purple the quote about Calhoun?
"He's about an identity, a way of playing. His teams had a specific style of basketball and they were going to play like that."
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 28, 2016 21:45:00 GMT -5
An extremely relevant quote from the article on Mark Daigneault that Sons of Vaval just posted: To think we almost had these guys, but with Milan would have lost by 30, and you somehow manage to split hairs to bitch about his coaching style and losses to teams that on paper are far superior to us.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 28, 2016 22:31:52 GMT -5
Why not bold and quote and make purple the quote about Calhoun? "He's about an identity, a way of playing. His teams had a specific style of basketball and they were going to play like that." When you have NBA guys on your team, you can dictate whatever the hell style you want. We don't have (and aren't getting) NBA guys.
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Monmouth
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Post by ncaam on Nov 28, 2016 22:34:23 GMT -5
CRW is gone. He brought a passion to prep that we should not expect our following coaches to match.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 28, 2016 23:10:53 GMT -5
Why not bold and quote and make purple the quote about Calhoun? "He's about an identity, a way of playing. His teams had a specific style of basketball and they were going to play like that." When you have NBA guys on your team, you can dictate whatever the hell style you want. We don't have (and aren't getting) NBA guys. Good point. I'll bet Carmody remembers fondly the stable of future NBA guys that helped him go 92-25 at Princeton and get a 5-seed in the NCAA tourney in his second year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 29, 2016 0:11:47 GMT -5
When you have NBA guys on your team, you can dictate whatever the hell style you want. We don't have (and aren't getting) NBA guys. Good point. I'll bet Carmody remembers fondly the stable of future NBA guys that helped him go 92-25 at Princeton and get a 5-seed in the NCAA tourney in his second year. I'll bet he does as well! More so than the stable of future NBA guys that never made it to the NCAA Tournament over 13 years in Evanston, IL.
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Nov 29, 2016 1:36:26 GMT -5
Good point. I'll bet Carmody remembers fondly the stable of future NBA guys that helped him go 92-25 at Princeton and get a 5-seed in the NCAA tourney in his second year. I'll bet he does as well! More so than the stable of future NBA guys that never made it to the NCAA Tournament over 13 years in Evanston, IL. Except, there wasn't a stable of future NBA guys on any of those Carmody coached teams at Northwestern: basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Big-Ten-Conference/2/Northwestern/102/nba-playersThe last NBA players from Northwestern were drafted in 1999. One could say that those teams were regularly disadvantaged in terms of talent in comparison to their conference opponents in East Lansing, Bloomington, and Columbus. Yet even still, he was able to become the second winningest coach in school history while using his philosophy. As for the Calhoun comparison, while it certainly helps to have NBA players, that advantage is somewhat negated when other teams he regularly played against (Syracuse, Duke, etc.) also had NBA players. Point is, every coach has a different philosophy. It seems premature to claim that CBC's is the wrong one after winning the PL in his first year, and playing a top Mid-Major team tough in our latest effort. We should all pump the brakes.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 29, 2016 4:05:15 GMT -5
I agree with your post, but I am not sure "we all" need to pump the brakes. After all, it seems to be one or two people who keep posting the same criticism over and over while refusing to look at the coach's accomplishments.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 29, 2016 7:30:17 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 29, 2016 7:36:26 GMT -5
Good point. I'll bet Carmody remembers fondly the stable of future NBA guys that helped him go 92-25 at Princeton and get a 5-seed in the NCAA tourney in his second year. I'll bet he does as well! More so than the stable of future NBA guys that never made it to the NCAA Tournament over 13 years in Evanston, IL. It's really telling that you are unable to recognize that at Northwestern Coach Carmody helped lead a dramatic improvement in the basketball program. We've reviewed the numbers over and over again and no reasonable person would fail to acknowledge the fine job he did there. Clearly you have an agenda, or maybe a mission, that will affect every judgment you make and every post you make about HC basketball.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 29, 2016 7:58:54 GMT -5
I'll bet he does as well! More so than the stable of future NBA guys that never made it to the NCAA Tournament over 13 years in Evanston, IL. Clearly you have an agenda, or maybe a mission, that will affect every judgment you make and every post you make about HC basketball. But only after losses
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Post by ncaam on Nov 29, 2016 9:14:50 GMT -5
There is only one infallible being on Earth, the Holy Father in Rome. Coaches make mistakes, players make mistakes, posters make mistakes. We all make mistakes. If I read bringbackcaro correctly, he believes in his opinion that coach Carmody did not have the troops coached up for the last 18 seconds of the Monmouth game. The fact he makes this accusation after a loss is the way mistakes show up. They show up as losses. I don't know what the team worked on previously as far as inbounding the ball under pressure. It did look a little grab-ass. But since I'm not in the huddle or the practices, how would I know? Nevertheless bringbackcaro is entitled to his OPINION and all those who contend for Coach Carmody's infallibility need to look at the situation a little differently.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 29, 2016 9:21:33 GMT -5
Steady there, ncaam. From what I have seen, no one has claimed for the coach the infallibility that bringbackcaro sometimes seem to feel he possesses. Apparently you feel there are no mistakes make in wins. That is quite optimistic on your part. "The fact he makes this accusation after a loss is the way mistakes show up. They show up as losses." I feel (my opinion) he does not post after wins because it does not fit his agenda.
I do appreciate your admission of ignorance of an important point. "I don't know what the team worked on previously as far as inbounding the ball under pressure." I wish he would do something along those lines, but I have yet to see that.
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Nov 29, 2016 9:33:22 GMT -5
I agree with your post, but I am not sure "we all" need to pump the brakes. After all, it seems to be one or two people who keep posting the same criticism over and over while refusing to look at the coach's accomplishments. Fair, guess I was just trying to be inclusive rather than divisive.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 29, 2016 11:52:32 GMT -5
Well, Ralph (or his guys, or both; whichever you prefer) blew one against Miss State as much as Bill (or his guys, or both; whichever you prefer) did vs Monmouth. Hopefully we can agree on that.
Both had their ups and downs as head coaches.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 29, 2016 12:18:13 GMT -5
Both had their ups and downs as head coaches. But the ups of both have far exceeded the downs
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 29, 2016 18:08:30 GMT -5
I agree with your post, but I am not sure "we all" need to pump the brakes. After all, it seems to be one or two people who keep posting the same criticism over and over while refusing to look at the coach's accomplishments. or bother to share their identities with the rest of us. Seems like there is a new crop every year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 29, 2016 18:30:46 GMT -5
I agree with your post, but I am not sure "we all" need to pump the brakes. After all, it seems to be one or two people who keep posting the same criticism over and over while refusing to look at the coach's accomplishments. or bother to share their identities with the rest of us. Seems like there is a new crop every year. One has to wonder if it is the same miscreants year after year but with new user names?
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