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Post by gks on Mar 10, 2023 21:45:54 GMT -5
Crean would be a complete and total disaster. Unsurprisingly, not a good list from BBC, who’s proven not to be a very good evaluator of coaching talent. Crean: Marquette to Final Four, Indiana to S16 after NCAA sanctions (virtually akin to the current HC debacle), struggle at Georgia Paulsen: Bucknell to PLC, struggle at George Mason SOV Line of Thinking: Crean = Disaster … Paulsen = Second Coming Totally wrong. Crean had the number one team in the nation at Indiana for many weeks of the 2013 season. That Sweet 16 loss to Syracuse was a huge underachievement.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Mar 10, 2023 21:52:42 GMT -5
Here’s a name that I don’t think has been thrown out yet:
Matt Brady
The guy won plenty of games and regular season championships at his two head coaching spots (Marist and James Madison). Both of those places are tough places to win at.
Long time assistant at some good programs (e.g. - St Joes in the 90s when they had some really good teams).
Well known for being a coach that can teach shooters how to get better.
Not sure if he’d be interested, but it’s worth a phone call…
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Post by lou on Mar 10, 2023 22:06:37 GMT -5
Messy situation when Brady left Marist while still under contract...no reason to consider this guy
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Post by hchoops on Mar 10, 2023 22:45:34 GMT -5
In his last two jobs at Indiana and Georgia, Crean’s conference record was 86-148 (.368). If he wasn’t connected to RW, I don’t think we’d be that excited about him. He took Marquette to the Final Four in 2002-03 (amazing) but has not been past the Sweet 16 in any other season. He finished first in the B1G twice in nine seasons at Indiana but was otherwise not great. Granted, he took over a program in a bad spot but still not a great job there. Georgia was a train wreck. I’ll take the consistent winner at a lower level who has turned around at least one bad program. The Indiana program he inherited had essentially been given one step below a death sentence by the NCAA. Georgia did not go well, but nobody wins there. If we judged RW based on Pittsburgh, we wouldn’t have hired him either. There is a total bass ackwards line of thinking going on that is totally discounting a guy who got Marquette to the Final Four and has a connection to the best coach in HC basketball history RW was a very good coach who turned around HC hoops. But he had the same winning percentage as Jack Donohue, who has been unfairly disparaged, but is certainly not in the best coach category. Before you spout off nonsense, you may want to look up Buster Sheary and Doggie Julian. Or even George Blaney.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 10, 2023 22:49:14 GMT -5
The Indiana program he inherited had essentially been given one step below a death sentence by the NCAA. Georgia did not go well, but nobody wins there. If we judged RW based on Pittsburgh, we wouldn’t have hired him either. There is a total bass ackwards line of thinking going on that is totally discounting a guy who got Marquette to the Final Four and has a connection to the best coach in HC basketball history RW was a very good coach who turned around HC hoops. But he had the same winning percentage as Jack Donohue, who has been unfairly disparaged, but is certainly not in the best coach category. Before you spout off nonsense, you may want to look up Buster Sheary and Doggie Julian. Or even George Blaney. Sorry, 'hoops, I should have clarified -- best coach in the Post-Peach Basket Era
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Post by fillfittonfield on Mar 10, 2023 23:48:22 GMT -5
Messy situation when Brady left Marist while still under contract...no reason to consider this guy I don’t agree…definitely think he is worth a look. And Marist certainly wasn’t a victim when Brady departed. The way they handled it and the aftermath was somewhat bizarre.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 11, 2023 0:51:50 GMT -5
ESPN’s Coaching Carousel has a notation regarding the HC job.
“Don’t be surprised to see Holy Cross garner interest from bigger names than expected for its head coach opening. The Crusaders can offer a strong salary and sources have indicated Vermont’s John Becker and Towson’s Pat Skerry are among the candidates they could pursue.”
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Post by spenser on Mar 11, 2023 5:43:05 GMT -5
Messy situation when Brady left Marist while still under contract...no reason to consider this guy I don’t agree…definitely think he is worth a look. And Marist certainly wasn’t a victim when Brady departed. The way they handled it and the aftermath was somewhat bizarre. Marist sued him, won but no damages were assessed.
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Post by spenser on Mar 11, 2023 5:45:34 GMT -5
ESPN’s Coaching Carousel has a notation regarding the HC job. “Don’t be surprised to see Holy Cross garner interest from bigger names than expected for its head coach opening. The Crusaders can offer a strong salary and sources have indicated Vermont’s John Becker and Towson’s Pat Skerry are among the candidates they could pursue.” “Offer a strong salary”. The commitment we are looking for? A message leak?
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Post by football44 on Mar 11, 2023 6:47:48 GMT -5
seriously? you were touting nathan davis as the second coming at bucknell. the internet doesn’t forget. after consistently disparaging those of us who knew your guy nelson was never going to get it done at hc, you may want to consider toning down the smugness given how consistently and absolutely horrible your takes on head coaches have been at hc and elsewhere. Nope. I said all along that Nelson deserved this year to prove himself and I was 100% correct (just like Colgate was 100% correct for not firing Langel prematurely). He had his chance and failed and there is now a unanimous understanding that he should have been let go. Re: Davis, I said I would have taken him over Carmody. Both ended up being a disaster. What? Prove that he sucked as a coach and that he had zero people skills. Goodbye BN! Now let KH hire his guy.
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Post by alum on Mar 11, 2023 7:07:53 GMT -5
Becker made $365,000 last year. Most recent for Skerry was four years ago was $450,000. EDIT: Skerry makes $465,000
I think we have to recognize the PL isn’t paying coaches enough.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 11, 2023 7:20:07 GMT -5
ESPN’s Coaching Carousel has a notation regarding the HC job. “Don’t be surprised to see Holy Cross garner interest from bigger names than expected for its head coach opening. The Crusaders can offer a strong salary and sources have indicated Vermont’s John Becker and Towson’s Pat Skerry are among the candidates they could pursue.” Skerry added to The Short List. Would be a very impressive pull to get him from Towson and indicate a strong commitment to the program from HC.
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Post by trimster on Mar 11, 2023 7:24:55 GMT -5
Skerry is a local guy, Medford and a Tufts grad, whose teams have done very well on and off the floor.
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Post by trimster on Mar 11, 2023 7:36:34 GMT -5
Skerry took over a Towson program that had had 15 consecutive losing seasons. Went 1-31 in year one, 18-13 in year two and 25-11 in year three. His teams have won at least 18 games in 8 of the 11 or so years he has been there.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 11, 2023 7:52:27 GMT -5
Is HC a better job than Towson ? Is the PL a better conference than the CAA ? Other than returning to Mass, why would he come to HC ? Will he use this to squeeze more $ from Towson ?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 11, 2023 8:05:34 GMT -5
ESPN’s Coaching Carousel has a notation regarding the HC job. “Don’t be surprised to see Holy Cross garner interest from bigger names than expected for its head coach opening. The Crusaders can offer a strong salary and sources have indicated Vermont’s John Becker and Towson’s Pat Skerry are among the candidates they could pursue.” Not sure I believe this, but I was banging the drum for Skerry after Milan was let go, and he'd definitely be on my short list, too. From Medfid, went to Tufts, high academic experience as an assistant at Tufts and William&Mary. Great recruiter in the fertile soils of New England prep basketball. We'd be getting kids from NMH again, imho.
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Post by cmo on Mar 11, 2023 8:12:49 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Mar 11, 2023 8:13:50 GMT -5
ESPN’s Coaching Carousel has a notation regarding the HC job. “Don’t be surprised to see Holy Cross garner interest from bigger names than expected for its head coach opening. The Crusaders can offer a strong salary and sources have indicated Vermont’s John Becker and Towson’s Pat Skerry are among the candidates they could pursue.” Not sure I believe this, but I was banging the drum for Skerry after Milan was let go, and he'd definitely be on my short list, too. From Medfid, went to Tufts, high academic experience as an assistant at Tufts and William&Mary. Great recruiter in the fertile soils of New England prep basketball. We'd be getting kids from NMH again, imho.
I really think the NEPSAC needs to play a big role in any possible resurgence of HC hoops. There is a lot of talent right in HC’s backyard and I am not thinking just Worcester Academy but New England in general.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 11, 2023 8:14:14 GMT -5
The CAA is a better league compared to the PL. The only reason that Skerry would be interested is that he would love to come back to New England.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 11, 2023 8:29:58 GMT -5
Is HC a better job than Towson ? Is the PL a better conference than the CAA ? Other than returning to Mass, why would he come to HC ? Will he use this to squeeze more $ from Towson ? skerry would obviously be a great get, and major props to hughes if he could pull it off, but why would skerry want to face another complete rebuild in a worse program in a worse conference for less money (or at best, marginally more) when he is a rising star? are we going to suffer through ___ years of "we should have hired skerry!" again when we hire someone who was actually a realistic choice?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 11, 2023 8:34:07 GMT -5
Skerry is a local guy, Medford and a Tufts grad, whose teams have done very well on and off the floor. Towson was a dumpster fire under Pat Kennedy, on and off the court. Under Skerry, Towson now has the best GSR in the conference.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 11, 2023 8:37:21 GMT -5
Based on BBC’s list, let it be known he wouldn’t have even looked at Bob Chesney.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 11, 2023 8:40:39 GMT -5
Based on BBC’s list, let it be known he wouldn’t have even looked at Bob Chesney. 1) Wrong B) I allowed the CCC to nominate two names. Gotta whittle the endless list down to two. 3) D1 basketball is very different than 1-AA football, but you already knew that.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 11, 2023 8:43:17 GMT -5
Is HC a better job than Towson ? Is the PL a better conference than the CAA ? Other than returning to Mass, why would he come to HC ? Will he use this to squeeze more $ from Towson ? skerry would obviously be a great get, and major props to hughes if he could pull it off, but why would skerry want to face another complete rebuild in a worse program in a worse conference for less money (or at best, marginally more) when he is a rising star? are we going to suffer through ___ years of "we should have hired skerry!" again when we hire someone who was actually a realistic choice? Playing devil’s advocate here, if Langel moves on from Colgate, doesn’t Skerry have a much clearer path to multiple NCAA bids at HC (in an awful pL) than Towson (in a deep, but single bud CAA)? The top of the pL is wiiiiide open if Colgate doesn’t have Langel.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 11, 2023 8:44:24 GMT -5
Skerry is a local guy, Medford and a Tufts grad, whose teams have done very well on and off the floor. Towson was a dumpster fire under Pat Kennedy, on and off the court. Under Skerry, Towson now has the best GSR in the conference.
GSR would be a big plus.
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