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Post by rgs318 on May 24, 2023 6:31:20 GMT -5
IMHO, this singling out of Catholic priests has two causes. (1) Bias against Catholics is still felt acceptable when no similar action is taken aginst other religions' clergy. (2) Because of the long time effort by Church hierarchy to cover abuse cases and to excuse abusive clergy (nuns as well as priests)
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Post by sader1970 on May 24, 2023 6:44:24 GMT -5
Despite your typos, I agree with your two points.
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Post by rgs318 on May 24, 2023 7:08:34 GMT -5
I am glad you were able to read through those many typos. Thanks for the effort (and I hope I was able to correct all the typos in that post).
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Post by alum on May 24, 2023 7:10:44 GMT -5
In my town, the priest didn't molest kids. He did take up with a parishoner (after years of rumors about a variety of women) whose husband learned and reported him to the diocese. They divorced and she and the now former priest married and still live in town.
Priests and sisters are real people and a percentage of them are going to have each problem which faces the population as a whole.
This group which the Dodgers waffled about is going to soon have a problem because nobody is going to know what religious sisters are in fifteen years. According to a study in 2015, there were 42,000 in the US with an average age of 80. Only 1% (so about 420) were under the age of 40.
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Post by sader1970 on May 24, 2023 7:42:50 GMT -5
Hopefully, my last comment on this subject. While there is no excuse for pedophilia whether priest, minister, rabbi, nun, layperson, the priests that I've come to know, mostly Jesuits, try to make clear that as my Irish grandfather used to say, they are "real people." Putting on the Roman collar (many don't do that anymore), doesn't suddenly give them immunity to temptation.
One of my best theology professors was a former Jesuit, Dr. Forde, who left the priesthood and married. Our head of the New England IVC, Dave Hinchen '65 is a former Jesuit priest and married. My grandfather was a Jesuit for something like 8 years but left before being ordained and shortly after leaving the order married my grandmother. Allegedly he left for health reasons (1918, and was sole survivor of a group of about 4 Jesuits that had been in a room together with the others all dying of the Spanish flu epidemic)
Some people get worked up and think that so many priests are gay. Not sure whether they think when men get ordained that they should be emasculated.
As for pedophilia, very likely that those with that predilection might be attracted to the profession of clergy generally, priests in particular, knowing that will give them access to young children. That's something the Catholic Church should somehow screen for but I have no idea how they would do that.
Fini.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 24, 2023 8:09:59 GMT -5
In my town, the priest didn't molest kids. He did take up with a parishoner (after years of rumors about a variety of women) whose husband learned and reported him to the diocese. They divorced and she and the now former priest married and still live in town. Priests and sisters are real people and a percentage of them are going to have each problem which faces the population as a whole. This group which the Dodgers waffled about is going to soon have a problem because nobody is going to know what religious sisters are in fifteen years. According to a study in 2015, there were 42,000 in the US with an average age of 80. Only 1% (so about 420) were under the age of 40. The problem isn't the occasional priest getting involved with a consenting women or a consenting man, the problem is that the Church allowed so many pedophiles (i.e., criminals) into its ranks and then enabled and protected them as they raped children. As ordained priests these men held special positions of trust, as did the hierarchy who moved them around so that they could rape more children (e.g, Bernie Law?). Yes, there are countless dedicated priests and nuns, but there is no mitigating the epic worldwide scale of this scandal. The Church ordained many criminals, and other criminals in the hierarchy helped them. The Church scandal is not a story of human frailty, it is a crime story. Having said that, this thread is about the Dodgers and the "Sisters". I don't think the Church child abuse scandal, as bad as it is, justifies a professional sports franchise celebrating a clergy-hating group.
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Post by mm67 on May 24, 2023 9:03:20 GMT -5
Honestly, maybe I'm short-sighted but I don't see the connection between a bunch of Trans people parading around, mocking nuns and the Church pedophilia scandal. I think the parade w/ the parody would have been held if there was no scandal, no? Leave the nuns alone!
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Post by hcpride on May 24, 2023 9:30:14 GMT -5
Hate groups targeting the Catholic Church and its members is nothing new. Catholic passivity in response to this hate is sadly nothing new either.
Perhaps the commissioner of MLB will reprimand/discipline the LA Dodgers for actively promoting hate. (He is, after all, the fella who was very very sensitive to faux voter issues in Georgia a couple of years ago).
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Post by longsuffering on May 24, 2023 9:58:07 GMT -5
Honestly, maybe I'm short-sighted but I don't see the connection between a bunch of Trans people parading around, mocking nuns and the Church pedophilia scandal. I think the parade w/ the parody would have been held if there was no scandal, no? Leave the nuns alone! I think the Church pedophilia scandal did heighten the irony of the Church being so strident against the "sin" of LGBTQ. Thus it heightened the effectiveness of criticism of the Church regarding all matters involving sexuality and generally any moral pronouncements made by the Church.
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Post by Tom on May 24, 2023 10:28:22 GMT -5
Honestly, maybe I'm short-sighted but I don't see the connection between a bunch of Trans people parading around, mocking nuns and the Church pedophilia scandal. I think the parade w/ the parody would have been held if there was no scandal, no? Leave the nuns alone! The connection is that one of our posters decided to post an article about the scandal in a thread about the Dodgers honoring=>not honoring=>honoring the people that mock nuns
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Post by hcpride on May 25, 2023 5:42:11 GMT -5
Not sure “people that mock nuns” fully captures the conduct and speech of this loathsome hate group.
I wonder if the Dodger’s owner would invite and honor a group today that ‘mocks rabbis’, ‘mocks blacks’, ‘mocks Imams’ etc. in similarly disgusting fashion.
“C’mon, they’re just a parody group” probably wouldn’t cut it as a Dodger defense.
Perhaps this will be a Dodger Bud Light moment but having observed Catholic apologists and Catholics who meekly accept anti-Catholic hate I tend to doubt it.
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Post by rf1 on May 25, 2023 7:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on May 25, 2023 8:10:52 GMT -5
Separating public education from diocesan buildings is a win-win. Obviously, the diocese feels obligated to control aspects of subject matter taught within its buildings and no doubt no public school would/should allow its curriculum to be dictated by any church. Keep government free from religion and religion free from government. It's a win-win.
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Post by clmetsfan on May 25, 2023 11:20:16 GMT -5
Honestly, maybe I'm short-sighted but I don't see the connection between a bunch of Trans people parading around, mocking nuns and the Church pedophilia scandal. I think the parade w/ the parody would have been held if there was no scandal, no? Leave the nuns alone! Look at it this way -- people who are trying to demonize drag shows (including some in this thread) do so on the basis that they're immoral sexual deviants who are a threat to children. I've yet to see any evidence to back that up, but there's a whole lot to show that Catholic priests are a much bigger threat. Personally, I'd greatly prefer my nieces and nephews to be alone with a drag queen than a priest. Also because Rubio's and others' perpetual quest for victimhood is what kicked this off, so it's fair to point out their own failings. Here's a senator from a state that's banning books at a rate we haven't seen since the days of McCarthyism, yet he's decided to devote his energy to complaining about some imagined slight by a baseball team 3,000 miles away. Put another way: maybe people wouldn't be so quick to mock the Church if it actually lived up the standards to which it holds others.
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Post by purplehaze on May 25, 2023 11:34:37 GMT -5
Do you really think our 'practicing Catholic' president is in charge at the White House ? (I would hope he would have objected to this person being in his admin)
Saw this item today: Sam Brinton — the embattled former Biden administration official charged with multiple airport thefts — previously led the Washington, D.C., chapter of the anti-Catholic group invited to a "Pride Night" hosted by the LA Dodgers. Brinton was the D.C. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence's principal officer from its founding in 2016 until 2018, according to tax filings reviewed by Fox News Digital. The group is part of the San Francisco-based Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a drag queen group that regularly mocks the Catholic Church and made headlines after it was uninvited then re-invited to the upcoming Dodgers Pride Night.
"When we are asked, ‘Why are you mocking nuns?’ we answer: ‘We are nuns!’ We do all that traditional nuns have done for centuries," the D.C. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence website states.
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Post by clmetsfan on May 25, 2023 12:20:33 GMT -5
Do you really think our 'practicing Catholic' president is in charge at the White House ? (I would hope he would have objected to this person being in his admin) Saw this item today: Sam Brinton — the embattled former Biden administration official charged with multiple airport thefts — previously led the Washington, D.C., chapter of the anti-Catholic group invited to a "Pride Night" hosted by the LA Dodgers. Brinton was the D.C. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence's principal officer from its founding in 2016 until 2018, according to tax filings reviewed by Fox News Digital. The group is part of the San Francisco-based Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a drag queen group that regularly mocks the Catholic Church and made headlines after it was uninvited then re-invited to the upcoming Dodgers Pride Night. "When we are asked, ‘Why are you mocking nuns?’ we answer: ‘We are nuns!’ We do all that traditional nuns have done for centuries," the D.C. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence website states. Well for starters, I have trouble holding the President of the United States at fault for not being fully up to speed about what the deputy assistant secretary of Spent Fuel and Waste Disposition in the Office of Nuclear Energy does in their spare time. And on the off-chance that he is, I would hope that he has other things to worry about than taking offense at every perceived slight. I think the four years we already of had that was enough, no?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 25, 2023 12:21:40 GMT -5
Enough with the political talk
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Post by mm67 on May 25, 2023 12:30:46 GMT -5
Honestly, maybe I'm short-sighted but I don't see the connection between a bunch of Trans people parading around, mocking nuns and the Church pedophilia scandal. I think the parade w/ the parody would have been held if there was no scandal, no? Leave the nuns alone! Look at it this way -- people who are trying to demonize drag shows (including some in this thread) do so on the basis that they're immoral sexual deviants who are a threat to children. I've yet to see any evidence to back that up, but there's a whole lot to show that Catholic priests are a much bigger threat. Personally, I'd greatly prefer my nieces and nephews to be alone with a drag queen than a priest. Also because Rubio's and others' perpetual quest for victimhood is what kicked this off, so it's fair to point out their own failings. Here's a senator from a state that's banning books at a rate we haven't seen since the days of McCarthyism, yet he's decided to devote his energy to complaining about some imagined slight by a baseball team 3,000 miles away. Put another way: maybe people wouldn't be so quick to mock the Church if it actually lived up the standards to which it holds others. I for one have often been skeptical of the seemingly constant "Catholic bashing" rhetoric of Bill Donovan. However, I find trans in bikinis calling themselves "Sisters of the Perpetual Indulgence" & mocking nuns to be offensive. I am offended. So, what! Although filled with great respect for the Dodgers and their glorious contributions to American culture, I have never been a Dodgers fan. My team was the Giants. Oops, SanFrancisco Giants. San Francisco? Oh well back to NY. NY? Can't a guy enjoy a game with a beer w/o all this commotion?
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Post by HC92 on May 26, 2023 6:40:31 GMT -5
Drag queens aren’t strippers. Oh, and people take kids to beaches and pools with scantily clad people. Definitely not strippers and a lot like a day at the beach . . .
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 26, 2023 6:51:59 GMT -5
Check your bigotry at the door, 92. Allow yourself to get cultured.
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Post by hcpride on May 26, 2023 7:12:06 GMT -5
It’s kinda hard to shrug off this sort of offensive and bigoted anti Catholic display but still apologists persist and excuse. The Dodgers take it up a notch by honoring. Duly noted. Perhaps a very very brave Catholic College president will actually speak up regarding the Dodger’s actions. Or at least pen a message of concern to them.
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Post by rgs318 on May 26, 2023 7:24:56 GMT -5
This sort of anti-Catholic display does remind me of the extreme steps taken by "Act Up" that so upset members of the LGBTQ community in NYC. The deliberate and public desecration of consecrated hosts in St Patrick's Cathedral caused a real problem for them with the anti-gay backlash that resulted from those extreme actions. Some sought to blame the entire LGBTQ community for the anti-Catholic display. It was certainly unfortunate. Now as to partying...those who hav e attended gay parties are known to have a great time...and IMHO no apologies are needed for that since the overwhelming majority of such parties are not anti-Catholic. I wonder how many folks who are so quick to condemn have ever met someone they know to be a member of the LGBTQ community?
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Post by alum on May 26, 2023 7:58:30 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on May 26, 2023 8:15:48 GMT -5
I suppose any notion that the president of a Catholic College might write to the Dodgers noting concern regarding the Dodger’s decision to publicly honor an anti-Catholic hate group might be wildly far-fetched.
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Post by mm67 on May 26, 2023 9:13:16 GMT -5
Over the top, all around. It has gotten predictably political. Final plea: Leave the nuns alone.
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