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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 19, 2023 9:35:41 GMT -5
Nice turnout to honor this hate group — 49,000 fans ignored the boycott. As pride noted, the ceremony was long before game time But those who wanted to support were free to do so. Guess there wasn’t much interest.
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Post by alum on Jun 19, 2023 11:30:26 GMT -5
I played the video in the tweet you posted from one of Charlie Kirk's grifters. As even she noted, two people can be heard booing the group. Maybe, just maybe, most people don't give a #@*&$~!. And, as I noted many pages ago, all that this kerfluffle did was call attention to a group which, wait for it, seeks to call attention to itself.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 19, 2023 12:08:16 GMT -5
I played the video in the tweet you posted from one of Charlie Kirk's grifters. As even she noted, two people can be heard booing the group. Maybe, just maybe, most people don't give a #@*&$~!. And, as I noted many pages ago, all that this kerfluffle did was call attention to a group which, wait for it, seeks to call attention to itself. So you agree this was a snafu by the Dodgers to honor this group then?
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 19, 2023 12:44:53 GMT -5
It depends somewhat on what those criticisms are. Their are certain activities that the church considers morally wrong and I don't see them changing the definition of right and wrong because of criticism, There are places where the death penalty is legal and lots of people are in favor of it. The church fathers are never going to care about any criticism or public opinion on this topic. They will always say that taking a life, even if sanctioned by the state legal system, is wron Are women Priests morally wrong? I agree with you on the death penalty. Since the Catholic Church has been ordaining woman in Holland for a number of years, it is clearly not morally wrong. The. number of American sisters who have been ordained might shock some Catholics.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 19, 2023 12:54:03 GMT -5
This is the way to do it.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 19, 2023 13:01:15 GMT -5
Are women Priests morally wrong? I agree with you on the death penalty. Since the Catholic Church has been ordaining woman in Holland for a number of years, it is clearly not morally wrong. The. number of American sisters who have been ordained high shock some Catholics. Tell us more about the American Sister/Priests. Do you mean ordained but as a clergy level Sister but not as a Priest?
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Post by alum on Jun 19, 2023 13:02:03 GMT -5
Turned out to be no big deal. Apparently, the Dodgers ownership decided that offending gay and trans people by canceling the group was worse than offending some thinskinned Catholics. There are probably more practicing gays and trans people than offended practicing Catholics so it was probably the right call.
Look, I don't personally go out of my way to offend people. I stand for the National Anthem and say the pledge of allegiance at town meetings. I applaud for hometown heroes at events even when I think some of that is overhyped. I stand for judges when they enter the room even when if I don't like them. I wouldn't dress up as a religious sister to make a point. Everyone picks their fights and makes their points differently.
(Psst--I'm going to let you in on a secret. When I say the Pledge of Allegiance, I leave out the "under God" part because it was added during the McCarthy era and is, in my mind, an intentional impermissible violation of the First Amendment's establishment clause to expect people to pray at a town meeting or, especially, in a public school.)
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 19, 2023 13:06:50 GMT -5
Since the Catholic Church has been ordaining woman in Holland for a number of years, it is clearly not morally wrong. The. number of American sisters who have been ordained high shock some Catholics. Tell us more about the American Sister/Priests. Do you mean ordained but as a clergy level Sister but not as a Priest? I mean as a priest. I served a Mass fpr one of the women at a Grief Confgerence some years ago. I did have the nerve nto ask "Dp I cal;l you 'Father' Sister?" Her reply was a simple "Reverend will serve nicely." She also confided (so don't pass this on) that they try to not publicize this because they don't want to be censured by TPTB for bringing scandal.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 19, 2023 13:15:07 GMT -5
Turned out to be no big deal. Apparently, the Dodgers ownership decided that offending gay and trans people by canceling the group was worse than offending some thinskinned Catholics. There are probably more practicing gays and trans people than offended practicing Catholics so it was probably the right call. Look, I don't personally go out of my way to offend people. I stand for the National Anthem and say the pledge of allegiance at town meetings. I applaud for hometown heroes at events even when I think some of that is overhyped. I stand for judges when they enter the room even when if I don't like them. I wouldn't dress up as a religious sister to make a point. Everyone picks their fights and makes their points differently. (Psst--I'm going to let you in on a secret. When I say the Pledge of Allegiance, I leave out the "under God" part because it was added during the McCarthy era and is, in my mind, an intentional impermissible violation of the First Amendment's establishment clause to expect people to pray at a town meeting or, especially, in a public school.) Interesting that you feel only "thin skinned" Catholics would be offended. You may be quite wrong there from what I hear from other practicing Catholics. What other prayers and pledges do you feel free to modify on your own? .You may need to look up what is protected by the Constitution regarding separation of Church and State. As a teacher I had to lead the Pledge of Allegiance every day in school homeroom. Students did not have to say it, but if they did, it was to be said as currently written.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 19, 2023 13:18:36 GMT -5
Turned out to be no big deal. Apparently, the Dodgers ownership decided that offending gay and trans people by canceling the group was worse than offending some thinskinned Catholics. There are probably more practicing gays and trans people than offended practicing Catholics so it was probably the right call. Look, I don't personally go out of my way to offend people. I stand for the National Anthem and say the pledge of allegiance at town meetings. I applaud for hometown heroes at events even when I think some of that is overhyped. I stand for judges when they enter the room even when if I don't like them. I wouldn't dress up as a religious sister to make a point. Everyone picks their fights and makes their points differently. (Psst--I'm going to let you in on a secret. When I say the Pledge of Allegiance, I leave out the "under God" part because it was added during the McCarthy era and is, in my mind, an intentional impermissible violation of the First Amendment's establishment clause to expect people to pray at a town meeting or, especially, in a public school.) So you don’t want to offend people, but if a group has to be offended, better Catholics than LGBTQIA++. The right call would have been the Dodgers honoring a group in the LGBTQIA++ community that doesn’t outwardly mock and offend others. Would have saved themselves a lot of bad press and pushback. But, in the words of Family Guy —
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Post by alum on Jun 19, 2023 13:25:11 GMT -5
SOV--You should move to Florida and live with all of the other bigots who think that transgender people have additional rights when, in fact, politicians there want to legislate them out of existance. I think you would fit in just fine.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 19, 2023 13:32:05 GMT -5
SOV--You should move to Florida and live with all of the other bigots who think that transgender people have additional rights when, in fact, politicians there want to legislate them out of existance. I think you would fit in just fine. Some big leaps, alum!
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Post by alum on Jun 19, 2023 13:38:07 GMT -5
RGS--There are no rules about how prayers have to be said. I change prayers to eliminate the male pronouns while referring to God. A Jesuit who would later be head of the Weston School taught me that.
As to the Pledge, I realize that there are state laws requiring it be recited which allow kids to opt out. I am absolutely certain that if a student can choose not to recite it at all, the student can leave out two words without being subject to discipline. As to the First Amendment, you will note that I stated that it was my view of the First Amendment which I recognize may not be consistent with that of the current court. In the next few terms, the court is likely to uphold laws requiring religious symbols to be posted and then it will be one short skiop to prayer in public school. There are those who won't be happy until we are back to the 1950s.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 19, 2023 13:55:48 GMT -5
A dear friend related this story. He grew up in Tennessee. He was a Jewish kid attending public school. Every morning as prayers were said in school he would merely move his LIPS without actually saying the words; same with the religious hymns his class mates sang at Christmas time. In the retelling he would act out the fake lip sync to the delight of every one in our group Understandably, he felt unbearably uncomfortable with the Christian words as though he was betraying his religion & his God. Christian/Protestant prayers were commonly recited in public schools for much of our history.. Best to keep religion out of government & government out of religion. What say Jefferson about the Pledge? On another note... Could the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" be labeled a hate group? Leave the nuns alone.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 19, 2023 15:35:55 GMT -5
A dear friend related this story. He grew up in Tennessee. He was a Jewish kid attending public school. Every morning as prayers were said in school he would merely move his LIPS without actually saying the words; same with the religious hymns his class mates sang at Christmas time. In the retelling he would act out the fake lip sync to the delight of every one in our group Understandably, he felt unbearably uncomfortable with the Christian words as though he was betraying his religion & his God. Christian/Protestant prayers were commonly recited in public schools for much of our history.. Best to keep religion out of government & government out of religion. What say Jefferson about the Pledge? On another note... Could the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" be labeled a hate group? Leave the nuns alone. I think they are closer to satarists. They are slapping back with humor against a Church that has labeled the way God made them as a sin, at least in the past. The Church wouldn't call something God did a sin, but they have said "love the sinner, hate the sin." The sin in this case is God's creation. Having said that, I'm not in favor of anyone under eighteen being allowed to surgically cut anything off. That is a scary thought. Giving teenagers a light at the end of the tunnel, knowing they are eligible for surgery as an adult seems like a good balance.
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Post by matunuck on Jun 23, 2023 7:04:29 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 13, 2023 12:41:50 GMT -5
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