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Post by bigfan on Sept 21, 2023 12:21:45 GMT -5
Uconn is not dropping down, they love being a top team in basketball for men & women. As some posters have stated, the PL stinks.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 21, 2023 12:29:19 GMT -5
For goodness sakes Fairfield, bring back football and join the PL! We need another Jesuit school, not too large, and an easy drive away in the league!!😊
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 21, 2023 12:40:55 GMT -5
"all it takes is one football member leaving to disrupt the system and we lose the autobid" I thought we needed to lose 2 schools to lose the autobid? Is that wrong?
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Post by cruskater31 on Sept 21, 2023 13:16:00 GMT -5
"all it takes is one football member leaving to disrupt the system and we lose the autobid" I thought we needed to lose 2 schools to lose the autobid? Is that wrong? You are correct, RGS. 6 team minimum for football. I was thinking we only had 6 teams in the league. Forgot about Bucknell when I was counting.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 21, 2023 13:29:08 GMT -5
We might be closer than we think to losing a team from the PL that is not HC.
What is the plan to find the right member- please don't offer up the other New England schools, as they don't meet the desired academic profile that so many supporters feel is required.
It is easy to become an academic version of the CAA with expansion, a league that could receive multiple bids, and not lose any current members.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 21, 2023 13:29:55 GMT -5
It's not perfect but the PL "works" for football. We have been/are in the Top 10, beaten or nearly beaten FBS teams the last 3 years, won recruiting battles against FBS and Ivy schools etc etc. How do we really improve on that by leaving the PL?
Fix the PL restrictions on red-shirting, rostah limits etc and we should be fine moving forward.
I highly doubt TPTB would ever want to leave the PL for football or other sports....it has essentially defined who we are as a school for almost two generations now.
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Post by hc69 on Sept 21, 2023 13:31:32 GMT -5
And despite the hopes (and prayers) of some on here, Fordham isn't bolting for the CAA. They have a reasonable chance of making playoffs as the second best team in the PL. They have no chance of making playoffs in the CAA. No matter how many schools the CAA has, they won't get more than five slots -- the AQ and four at-large. There are only eleven at-large slots. The sixth best team in the CAA, which will probably have four losses, isn't getting in over a one or two loss second place team from another conference. The result is that every year one or two good CAA teams will be left out -- just ask URI. Fordham got smoked by bottom feeder Albany. They wouldn't be top five in the CAA, they wouldn't even be top half.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 21, 2023 13:39:13 GMT -5
How many on this board would have seen the ongoing craziness in realignment at the FBS level?
FCS won't be as much of a mess- but it will see adjustments, and schools like Fordham will make decisions
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 21, 2023 13:41:54 GMT -5
Really, this again? Who did this?
Nothing with the PL is changing for Olympic sports. We won’t leave as long as it exists. Please stop asking. PL and Ivy are possibly the two most stable conferences in all D1 right now.
As for football, nothing will change unless the PL implodes for football alongside side northern CAA. No other conference is inviting Holy Cross to join for football. CAA just got Bryant as their 16th member and final northern spot.
Can we stop this yet?
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Post by trimster on Sept 21, 2023 13:59:56 GMT -5
Really, this again? Who did this? Nothing with the PL is changing for Olympic sports. We won’t leave as long as it exists. Please stop asking. PL and Ivy are possibly the two most stable conferences in all D1 right now. As for football, nothing will change unless the PL implodes for football alongside side northern CAA. No other conference is inviting Holy Cross to join for football. CAA just got Bryant as their 16th member and final northern spot. Can we stop this yet? Apparently we can’t.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 21, 2023 14:07:44 GMT -5
I’m abstaining to vote b/c the options are so ludicrous. Yes, if I were king or stumbled upon a magic genie lamp I would create a revamped football only Yankee conference with 9 teams. No AI, 63 scholarships and non medical redshirts.
Holy Cross UNH URI Albany Maine Colgate Fordham Lehigh Laffy
8 conference games every year w/ 3 OOC. 1 FBS, 1 CAA and 1 “other”. I’d send G’Town and Bucknell to the Pioneer. I wouldn’t even ask for Villanova and Richmond to join this magic new football conference because the genie would laugh at the request.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 21, 2023 14:11:30 GMT -5
Maybe an all-sport conference of: Bucknell Richmond William and Mary Delaware Holy Cross URI Fordham Colgate Realistic, mostly high academic, schools who have all been good at football and/or basketball in the relatively recent past. Logical north and south divisions so everyone has a few schools not too far. I’ve heard crazier. I wonder what the A10 exit fees would be for the confederate three who leave that league to join this actually more Atlantic centric league? I wonder if the PL has any exit fees or if we (the PL) received entrance fees from BU, American and Loyola when they joined?
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 21, 2023 14:34:52 GMT -5
Really, this again? Who did this? (Me, but you know that)Nothing with the PL is changing for Olympic sports. We won’t leave as long as it exists. Please stop asking. PL and Ivy are possibly the two most stable conferences in all D1 right now. (100% agree) 100% As for football, nothing will change unless the PL implodes for football alongside side northern CAA. No other conference is inviting Holy Cross to join for football. CAA just got Bryant as their 16th member and final northern spot. Can we stop this yet? (No, take a look at the Delaware moving to FBS thread and how it diverted to this discussion)The reason for this thread/poll, if you haven't already guessed, is the very vocal minority (it seemed to me) that want HC out of the PL. Nothing on Crossports, including this poll, will change the minds of TPTB. However, the poll so far is confirming what I suspected, the majority think where we are is the right level for the Crusaders. Going a step further - I believe that the most fervent Holy Cross sports fans are on Crossports. The ones that aren't on here (alums/students/locals) don't care enough to be here and likely couldn't care less what league Holy Cross is in. Therefore, the posters looking to depart the PL here are a minority of a minority .
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 21, 2023 15:06:18 GMT -5
The PL stinks. In pretty much every sport. The day HC leaves is a good day. Not entirely correct. Better way to explain would be, "HC sucks at all the sports that the PL is good at, mainly LAX, soccer and Olympic sports. And the PL either doesn't sponsor (hockey) or is a crappy conference for the sports that we are historically good at (football, basketball)." And in football it just so happens that our two most dominant stretches during the PL era have coincided with the rest of the league being poor. I still think the PL is a decent home for Holy Cross football. In a world where HC, Fordham, Colgate and Lehigh can all put together FCS Top 40-ish teams more often than not, that's a solid league. Patriot League basketball Im sorry is just awful. Total snooze. No juice. Triple digit crowds at most venues. Just totally sad.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 21, 2023 15:14:18 GMT -5
I'll answer the question.
I'm not a big hater of the PL and generally like the schools we're associated with when it comes to athletics. But if I had to pick a REALISTIC conference setup for Holy Cross, I would go with the America East Conference under two conditions:
1) We could help kickstart America East Football, which starts to make more and more sense of late. 2) We could leverage relationships with UNH, Merrimack, Maine and Vermont to get into Hockey East on the Men's side.
This could be a solid America East Football Conference:
Holy Cross, Maine, UNH, Albany, Merrimack, URI, UMass, Fordham, Bryant
And then all-sports:
Holy Cross, Maine, UNH, Vermont, Albany, Merrimack, Bryant, UMass Lowell, Binghamton, UMBC, NJIT
With potential to go after Villanova as a football affiliate and Sacred Heart and/or Fairfield in all sports also.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 21, 2023 15:15:06 GMT -5
Realignment and the NIL- Payments
COLUMBUS, Ohio (WSYX) — Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith said some recruits are now asking to be paid $5,000 just to visit certain schools.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 21, 2023 15:15:50 GMT -5
For goodness sakes Fairfield, bring back football and join the PL! We need another Jesuit school, not too large, and an easy drive away in the league!!😊 This would've made too much sense. Would have been a PERFECT fit had they not dropped football.
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Post by Ignutz on Sept 21, 2023 15:38:36 GMT -5
I'll answer the question. I'm not a big hater of the PL and generally like the schools we're associated with when it comes to athletics. But if I had to pick a REALISTIC conference setup for Holy Cross, I would go with the America East Conference under two conditions: 1) We could help kickstart America East Football, which starts to make more and more sense of late. 2) We could leverage relationships with UNH, Merrimack, Maine and Vermont to get into Hockey East on the Men's side. This could be a solid America East Football Conference: Holy Cross, Maine, UNH, Albany, Merrimack, URI, UMass, Fordham, Bryant And then all-sports: Holy Cross, Maine, UNH, Vermont, Albany, Merrimack, Bryant, UMass Lowell, Binghamton, UMBC, NJIT With potential to go after Villanova as a football affiliate and Sacred Heart and/or Fairfield in all sports also. I do not want to be in a league with Bryant, UMass-Lowell (except hockey), Binghamton, UMBC or NJIT. The Patriot League is where we belong. We can get to the post-season in baseball, basketball, lax, football, soccer. We've had NCAA championships participation in track and swimming/diving, we've been nationally ranked in rowing, and we're among peer institutions (for the most part) academically. Someone earlier mentioned that Stanford, Vandy, Northwestern, Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown and other top schools have been able to maintain their academic integrity despite being in big-time athletic conferences. I agree, but those are all major universities. The late Fr. John Brooks, SJ, when asked what the biggest difference was between HC and BC with regard to recruiting athletic talent, said, "BC has room to hide people." Holy Cross doesn't have that "luxury", and never will. I would posit that every strong academic school listed above has regularly and repeatedly hidden a star athlete or two. I'd like to add Fordham and Villanova to the PL in all sports, but beyond those two, I'm good with the PL for now. Let's have a group discussion about this in January over a few beers. I'll find an appropriate watering hole - in Frisco, TX.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 21, 2023 15:47:32 GMT -5
The PL is a good fit for HC. Why leave? I truly don't understand. Is it to seek greater glory by playing higher level competition? I came up with pre-1AA football. I remember HC football with no freshman elgibility for the varsity, no spring practice, no post season play and the football was as exciting as today. No doubt the TPTB and would expect the overwhelming majority of alums want HC to remain in the PL as it is. I don't know about the views of the students who actually attend the school but I suspect large numbers of those who care are satisfied w/the PL. Remaining in the PL is the prudent thing to do. It makes sense for HC to stay in the PL. It only takes one football school to leave and hurt us I encourage HC to add three teams to the PL Football group of similar schools- the PL might need to buy them but then the league controls its future
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 21, 2023 16:09:56 GMT -5
Really, this again? Who did this? (Me, but you know that)Nothing with the PL is changing for Olympic sports. We won’t leave as long as it exists. Please stop asking. PL and Ivy are possibly the two most stable conferences in all D1 right now. (100% agree) 100% As for football, nothing will change unless the PL implodes for football alongside side northern CAA. No other conference is inviting Holy Cross to join for football. CAA just got Bryant as their 16th member and final northern spot. Can we stop this yet? (No, take a look at the Delaware moving to FBS thread and how it diverted to this discussion)The reason for this thread/poll, if you haven't already guessed, is the very vocal minority (it seemed to me) that want HC out of the PL. Nothing on Crossports, including this poll, will change the minds of TPTB. However, the poll so far is confirming what I suspected, the majority think where we are is the right level for the Crusaders. Going a step further - I believe that the most fervent Holy Cross sports fans are on Crossports. The ones that aren't on here (alums/students/locals) don't care enough to be here and likely couldn't care less what league Holy Cross is in. Therefore, the posters looking to depart the PL here are a minority of a minority . 1) Read the poll and blew past your post…so didn’t know it was you. I stopped perusing the UD thread a week ago because like many it went off the rails with such low probability hypotheticals. As many have said before, we should only begin to pontificate about the future of PL football if a member leaves. As long as it exists as it does today, nothing with HC FB conference affiliation will change. To think Nova or Richmond would join PL football is fantastical. I’m with NY in that some sort of American East (Yankee revamp) Football conference is a fun thought exercise, but it’s not happening without so many dominoes falling at once that the odds are de minimis.
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Post by mm67 on Sept 21, 2023 16:31:26 GMT -5
Question: What is the annual expense for HC to field a football team?
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Post by efg72 on Sept 21, 2023 16:47:06 GMT -5
Currently or after we double the salary of coaches and staff, which still won't be what they have earnec
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 21, 2023 16:49:10 GMT -5
Question: What is the annual expense for HC to field a football team? That’s a more interesting poll question vs the PL stuff. I’m curious how much many here think it costs, and how much is covered by HC vs CAF/Gridiron Club donations. Why do you ask?
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Post by efg72 on Sept 21, 2023 16:57:49 GMT -5
What it cost What others spend in the Pioneer, Patriot, NEC, CAA, Valley, Sky, Southern and the others How much is handled by the CAF Total school expense
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 21, 2023 17:00:34 GMT -5
Question: What is the annual expense for HC to field a football team? That’s a more interesting poll question vs the PL stuff. I’m curious how much many here think it costs, and how much is covered by HC vs CAF/Gridiron Club donations. Why do you ask? There are too many here with champagne tastes and a beer budget. HC is not going to join any other conference where HC's athletic department losses would be greater than they already are. However, if HC migrated to an FBS conference for football and said conference had a nice media package ($$$), then that would be something to consider.
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