hc69
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Post by hc69 on Sept 24, 2023 19:35:29 GMT -5
Under FCS (and NCAA) rules a FCS school can admit any athlete who meets NCAA eligibility requirements. In other words, open admissions for athletes regardless of school or conference academic admissions requirements. If he's a good football player he can be dumb as a rock and still get into HC. I assume that's one of the FCS "rules" some of you are referring to. Thanks but no thanks. ^^^ Do you honestly think you can fail classes and play sports at HC? Of course not, which is why the PL has an AI. It ensures the academic qualifications of our student-athletes are broadly representative of those of the student body and that all the schools are playing by the same admissions rules. They're students first. Look at the results of the poll. It is clear that a significant majority of those of us on here are satisfied with how the PL operates.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 24, 2023 19:38:05 GMT -5
The AI impacts admission not performance, whether in the PL or IL
Students admitted and student athletes will do as they please
I am not opposed to the AI BUT over the past 50 years some of our more influential and accomplished students and student athletes did not meet the minimum individual requirements and needed help from the leadership
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 24, 2023 19:47:10 GMT -5
Under FCS (and NCAA) rules a FCS school can admit any athlete who meets NCAA eligibility requirements. In other words, open admissions for athletes regardless of any other academic qualifications. If he's a good football player he can be dumb as a rock and still get into HC. I assume that's one of the FCS "rules" some of you are referring to. Thanks but no thanks. No thanks for me as well, but no one has ever said they wanted that so why bring it up? I believe they are referring to non-medical red shirt rules, and expanding to scholarship numbersd already improved by the NCAA.
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hc69
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Post by hc69 on Sept 24, 2023 19:58:25 GMT -5
We're already giving the 63 equivalencies allowable in FCS. If FCS were to go to the FBS limit of 85 counters we'd have to add 20 scholarships. But because of that little annoyance known as Title IX we'd have to add 20 for women as well.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 24, 2023 20:01:02 GMT -5
Rob, if memory serves, for FCS, the maximum scholarship number is 63 equivalents. Some here, including me, thought that we were stuck on 60. However, about a month ago I had a conversation with Kit Hughes who told me that we and the PL have 63, which is the max and "not an issue" (anymore, anyway). I did not ask Kit when the increase in schollies happened as I guess I just assumed it was covid time. Now, if you want to talk red shirts, I don't know about that and didn't think to ask Kit because I didn't even ask about the 63 schollies as he volunteered it as we were really discussing the NIL/transfer portal and other challenges he/HC face more generically.
My best guess is when covid gave the extra year of eligibility, the league was semi-forced into adding the 3 extra equivalencies.
Point is, that's one less disadvantage the PL has.
Edit: 69 types faster than I do but I guess I'm giving some additional context.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 24, 2023 20:05:10 GMT -5
I did think we were at 60 and if we are now at 63, then that is good/better. Now let's look at the red shirt issue.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 24, 2023 20:07:39 GMT -5
Unless I am missing something, at least temporarily, red shirts are also not an issue with the temporary extra covid year of eligibility. Or is my brain skipping something?
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 24, 2023 20:20:32 GMT -5
Unless I am missing something, at least temporarily, red shirts are also not an issue with the temporary extra covid year of eligibility. Or is my brain skipping something? In one year that disappears, IIRC. I believe the current seniors are the last ones that have that extra year possibility
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Post by efg72 on Sept 24, 2023 20:26:46 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 25, 2023 0:48:04 GMT -5
So we're not going to hear the PL presidents sing the Pop hit "Time To Say Goodbye." Good! No, but they won't sing the controversial song "Baby don't go, it's cold outside" either.🙂
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 25, 2023 5:39:42 GMT -5
Unless I am missing something, at least temporarily, red shirts are also not an issue with the temporary extra covid year of eligibility. Or is my brain skipping something? In one year that disappears, IIRC. I believe the current seniors are the last ones that have that extra year possibility Will be interesting to see if Matt comes back to Holy Cross next year or if he hits the portal to look for a fit at the FBS level as a grad transfer.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 25, 2023 6:10:13 GMT -5
In one year that disappears, IIRC. I believe the current seniors are the last ones that have that extra year possibility Will be interesting to see if Matt comes back to Holy Cross next year or if he hits the portal to look for a fit at the FBS level as a grad transfer. That'll be interesting to see. He may not be the sort of plug-and- play QB that an FBS school is willing to risk a one-year grad schollie on. Maybe he'll try a a new position at an FBS school (again, not sure we'd see a schollie heading his way for that) to show his speed and/or hands for the next level. Perhaps he'll head to Villanova like Jake Reichwein and bring them back to the promised land. As a QB. Maybe he'll try NFL/CFL etc. Long shot: Lacrosse as a grad student at a top-flight school enroute to a professional lax career. Maybe he'll come back.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 25, 2023 7:04:01 GMT -5
JMO, but I think what Matt will do next season will depend on what happens this season. My impression from conversations is that Jake Dobbs came back because of what he considered unfinished business - i.e. not only not playing the entire last season but the team falling just short of a national championship and wanting to come back to help the team accomplish both his individual and team goals. Not explicit facts, just impressions from conversations. I suspect Matt has the same mindset. As leaders of the team, there is strong loyalty to the team to accomplish big goals. Same with Coach Chesney. Once he feels he and the team have accomplished all they can, then he will allow himself to consider looking for higher goals elsewhere. I've heard from multiple players and family members that they enjoy "being around their 99 closest best friends." There are people here that are much closer to the team that may have a different opinion.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 25, 2023 7:05:08 GMT -5
BTW, the poll will lock in a few days, so if you haven't voted yet, don't wait.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Sept 25, 2023 7:42:48 GMT -5
Wonder how Groton native and BU alum Steve Kornacki (or similar analyst) would view the odds of the the final result ending up differently than the current status.
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Post by gks on Sept 25, 2023 8:09:37 GMT -5
Under FCS (and NCAA) rules a FCS school can admit any athlete who meets NCAA eligibility requirements. In other words, open admissions for athletes regardless of any other academic qualifications. If he's a good football player he can be dumb as a rock and still get into HC. I assume that's one of the FCS "rules" some of you are referring to. Thanks but no thanks. Congrats...this is the most ridiculous post on the thread.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 25, 2023 8:14:05 GMT -5
Under FCS (and NCAA) rules a FCS school can admit any athlete who meets NCAA eligibility requirements. In other words, open admissions for athletes regardless of any other academic qualifications. If he's a good football player he can be dumb as a rock and still get into HC. I assume that's one of the FCS "rules" some of you are referring to. Thanks but no thanks. Congrats...this is the most ridiculous post on the thread. Somewhere between a straw man and reductio ad absurdum. And not in a good way.
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Post by drjack on Sept 25, 2023 8:31:06 GMT -5
Woops - posted this in the wrong thread initially
This is not so much a prediction, but if Sluka finishes the season as a WP winner or top 3 finalist and has been getting draft love, I wouldn't fault him at all for entering. You never know what happens with injuries, etc so if he's projected to as like a 4th-6th rounder, it might be worth considering.
I still don't know if I think NFL teams would view him as a QB long term so this may just be a moot point, but just me thinking out loud.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 25, 2023 8:45:47 GMT -5
For all Matt has given to Holy Cross, I wish him all the best in whatever direction he chooses. Of course, if he comes back I would be ecstatic.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 25, 2023 11:27:37 GMT -5
Woops - posted this in the wrong thread initially This is not so much a prediction, but if Sluka finishes the season as a WP winner or top 3 finalist and has been getting draft love, I wouldn't fault him at all for entering. You never know what happens with injuries, etc so if he's projected to as like a 4th-6th rounder, it might be worth considering. I still don't know if I think NFL teams would view him as a QB long term so this may just be a moot point, but just me thinking out loud. I get Taysom Hill gizmos and gadgets-type player vibes.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 25, 2023 11:41:00 GMT -5
Let's focus on the roster for this fall, and wish Matt great success in all of his future efforts.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Sept 25, 2023 16:03:53 GMT -5
A few quick comments/observations:
1) It is possible (and likely IMO) that HC will face 3 teams this season that will be ranked in the FCS Top 25:
Harvard (they are currently ranked going into our game this weekend)
Lafayette (I believe they will roll into Fitton on 10/21 as a ranked team with only 1 loss)
Fordham (They are currently ranked and will remain ranked IMO when we face them on 10/28).
Can anyone name the last time we played at least 3 games against teams ranked in FCS Top 25 (when we actually played them)? I think it happened in Gilmore’s last year.
2) I wish another option in the poll would have been “force PL football to change/bend” or something like this.
As I have written about previously, whether we like it or not (and I don’t), smart, intelligent, and positive change ONLY occurs in the PL when one institution tells the others “this is what we are doing.”
It happened in 1998 when HC told the PL that they were bringing back scholarships for hoops.
It happened around 2009 when Fordham told the PL it would start giving out scholarships for football.
It might happen in the near future if/when one school says it is going to permit non-medical redshirts and/or not follow the AI. If this occurs, I honestly believe that Villanova, W&M, and Richmond would join as football affiliates within 3 years. And no, I’m not on drugs.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 25, 2023 16:07:28 GMT -5
Can anyone name the last time we played at least 3 games against teams ranked in FCS Top 25 (when we actually played them)? I think it happened in Gilmore’s last year. Last year (Fordham, UNH, SDSU), although I assume you mean during the regular season rather than playoffs? If so, then 2016 (UNH, Albany, Harvard).
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Post by hcpride on Sept 25, 2023 17:12:05 GMT -5
A few quick comments/observations: 1) It is possible (and likely IMO) that HC will face 3 teams this season that will be ranked in the FCS Top 25: Harvard (they are currently ranked going into our game this weekend) Lafayette (I believe they will roll into Fitton on 10/21 as a ranked team with only 1 loss)Fordham (They are currently ranked and will remain ranked IMO when we face them on 10/28). Can anyone name the last time we played at least 3 games against teams ranked in FCS Top 25 (when we actually played them)? I think it happened in Gilmore’s last year. Given Laffy's schedule it is quite possible they roll into Holy Cross with just 1 loss but, given their schedule, I don't see them in the top 25. Just looking at Massey, Laffy is #45 with upcoming games against Bucknell (#91) and Princeton (#54). Princeton (who plays #69 Columbia) is not shooting up in the polls prior to their Lafayette game. The two major polls have none of those four listed (not even RV) so I had to use Massey.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Sept 25, 2023 17:45:49 GMT -5
Can anyone name the last time we played at least 3 games against teams ranked in FCS Top 25 (when we actually played them)? I think it happened in Gilmore’s last year. Last year (Fordham, UNH, SDSU), although I assume you mean during the regular season rather than playoffs? If so, then 2016 (UNH, Albany, Harvard). SOV: Yes, I meant regular season. Good call on 2016. I think you are correct. However, for some reason, I can’t stop thinking of 2017. UNH was ranked (big win at home) Yale was ranked I think (big loss on the road) Monmouth was ranked I think as well (big loss at home) If I am wrong please let me know! My memory is fading day by day!
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