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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 16:51:17 GMT -5
It is not envy, it is REALISM. Finite number of academically qualified athletes good enough to play at FCS level. More scholarships have provided PL with ability to recruit against MAC and CAA, but recruit still needs to get in. Other PL institutions are finding highly qualified athletes with excellent academic credentials for whom the I.L. is not necessarily the best option. Consider for the moment the nationally ranked engineering and business options at Lehigh, Lafayette and Bucknell. The Public Policy offerings at Georgetown are without a peer. The P.L. vis-a-vis "the Ivies" is not a homogenous story. It is a differentiated landscape. You are talking personal choice of the recruit vs. the actual recruit pool. The recruit pool is the same (X level of player + Y level of student). Recruits make the choice where to go. I picked HC over the Ivies because I personally wanted to go to HC. Another kid may choose Lehigh because he wants to be an engineer or Colgate because they like being really cold in the middle of no where (essentially a future ax murderer). Nonetheless, the PL schools and Ivy Schools are all essentially recruiting the same players. The fact that a student picks one Ivy or PL school over the other schools is personal to that recruit, but the same kid is being recruited by most of the same schools. If a kid is being recruited by HC, you can guarantee he is being recruited by 4-8 other PL and Ivy schools. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 16:28:57 GMT -5
In effect, the Ivies are the principal recruiting rivals of PL schools. That's not the case in most PL schools today. The MAC, CAA and others seem to be as much or more in the mix. The stronger the PL institution, the less of an issue "Ivy Envy" has become. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 16:05:14 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 15:54:30 GMT -5
All fair - and for the record, I think Chesney would be a terrific hire, as would Reno or Lamb. I think that Reno, if we were the guy, leaving Yale for HC, would at least provide the perception to recruits that HC is a better destination. In effect, the Ivies are the principal recruiting rivals of PL schools.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 15:42:18 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 13:48:25 GMT -5
In my defense. I would not make up a specific name. It was on the Football Scoop website, which I have checked daily since the search started, and I reposted it as relevant. Presumably someone checked and saw it.
Dean Wormer may lock the thread, which is an indictment on this American institution (the Board)... I am not going to sit here and listen to [him] bad mouth the United State of America.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 13:25:20 GMT -5
No offense to Coach, but we don't know he knows any thing more than captainkarl - and I say that under the assumption the capt is not knowledgeable on many things - or anyone else on this board. He apparently has coached in NE and knows people, maybe even at HC, but unless he is talking to Chesney, Lamb or Reno, or their agents, or with ADNP, he is in the dark on this like the rest of us. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 13:21:23 GMT -5
There was no post on FootballScoop connecting Tony Reno to HC. There was. It was changed after I posted it. I did not make it up. I quoted the post in body as well. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 13:02:00 GMT -5
Why would Reno leave Yale for HC? 1. Close to home. 2. Chance to play BCS teams. 3. Chance to compete for a national title. 4. Chance to coach a traditional scholarship team. 5. Chance that his leadership may lead to upward mobility of HC football out of the PL and into a more superior stratosphere of college football. 6. Needs a new challenge after going as far as the IL allows - winning the league and beating Harvard. New mountain to climb. 7. Desire to be part of the storied history of HC football and to put a stamp on a new era. What am I missing? Desire to be part of the storied history of HC football....seriously, you've got to be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would he be kidding. HC has a storied history. I think your pessimism is disappointing, but not surprising. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 11:30:07 GMT -5
A note on Reno. His coordinators' recruiting areas are TX/OK for DC, PA/OH for OC, and FL for AHC/Pass Game Coord. If he is hired and he brings his staff, I have a feeling that the 2018 HS class looks a bit different.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 12, 2017 11:20:54 GMT -5
Per Foot Scoop: Holy Cross (FCS – CT): Per sources, Yale (FCS – CT) head coach Tony Reno, Assumption head coach (D-II – MA) Bob Chesney, and Harvard (FCS – MA) offensive coordinator Joel Lamb are all candidates, and have all interviewed for the head coaching vacancy at Holy Cross. We understand that a decision on this one could come in the next day or two, with a formal announcement later this week. footballscoop.com/the-scoop/Interesting - Reno is good. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 19:46:33 GMT -5
Maybe they are in the running to appease the faithful or maybe, given their resumes, especially Malone's resume, they are still in the running. Let's phrase the question a little different with a couple of hypothetical situtations:
Would ADNP be wrong to delay the decision if he had an offer out to a NFL coach (assuming the coach is good) and was working through the timing and NFL team schedule, etc.
Would he be wrong if his first choice rejected the $$$ because he is a FBS coordinator or QB coach and ADNP was moving on the next guy on his list.
Would he be wrong if the parties have agreed, but they need to work out an exit if the guy is under contract and if they cannot work it out, ADNP moves on to the next guy on his list, which could be Malone or Hull or Chesney.
There are a lot of qualified coaches around. ADNP's list and top choices are his prerogative as AD, and he will be judged by the consequences, but I note the judging wont be on one recruiting class, but on the whole of the results.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 19:35:27 GMT -5
Do you have any basis for this, or are you just talking out of your ass? Chesney's season ended two weeks ago. If Pine wanted to hire him and he was the first choice, he'd have already been named the coach. Not complicated. Your assumption re relevant bargaining power and comments that Pine is somehow stuck with this choice because of other rejections is without a factual basis. Not complicated. Maybe Chesney was the 5th choice, and not the 1st choice. It makes no difference as to Chesney's bargaining power - he is still the coach of Assumption and I don't know of any other FCS teams knocking on his door - although that may change in the future if he keeps up the fine work. Even assuming your facts, his agent is not trying to use the fact that he was previously rejected to leverage HC, because they know he'll be back at Assumption next year making 50-100K less if the deal is not done. If he is the choice, I think he'll make a great addition. He has never had a losing season and my hope is that will continue to be the case. If he is not the choice, we'll see where ADNP goes. I would be disappointed in ADNP if he did not try to get some FBS coordinators, NFL position coaches, or higher end FCS coordinators before deciding on Chesney, regardless of how good Chesney may be. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 19:13:32 GMT -5
Chesney knows he wasn't Pine's first option. A couple of weeks ago, Pine could have dictated the terms of Chesney's deal, but now Pine has lost all of his leverage. In fact, given that Chesney (or any of the other candidates for that matter) know that Cramsey and others have passed over the HC job, he now has some leverage. I really do think Pine has botched this process, and we have already lost recruits because of it. Do you have any basis for this, or are you just talking out of your ass? |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 18:02:36 GMT -5
1. Of course this is speculation. 2. No. Check the 5-year record. Any prospective coach would. Then look at future schedule and recruiting issues. Any prospective coach would. Yes, it can turn around - any program can turn around - but what are the odds? Quality coaches have options and they do their due diligence. I do agree if a coach comes in and turns it around to 10-2, etc (like Moorhead at Fordham) they are off to the races. 3. This is a football head coach hire. This discussion is around a football head coach. Name the football head coaches the last 50 years at HC who have succeeded and moved up. (1: Mark Duffner, 1991, who inherited a very strong team upon the death of Coach Carter several years previously.) You are wrong as to the attractiveness of the job. I have personally communicated with coaches that would like the job (one NFL and one College). Success at HC coming off a bad run, would be a plus on any coache's resume. Also, the future schedule is a plus, not a negative. What coach would not want to play games that essentially -low risk, win-big win contests. Pointing to HC as some place where career minded coaches would not go is silly and pointing to only one head coach (Duff) of the 5 (esp. when 2 have died in the job or essentially in the job) since 1981 is not a good barometer of the job itself. Carter, Duffner, Vaas, Allen, Gilmore. Carter would have moved up and been successful, Duffner was, Vaas held high profile jobs after, Allen (RIP), and jury is out on Gilmore, but you can certainly see him becoming successful DC again. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 17:10:23 GMT -5
If the rumors are true above its a pretty sad state for the HC football program if the Sam Houston O-Coordinator turns down HC. What happened with the Terry Malone and Lee Hull interviews from last week? Any insights? I don't know. SHSC is a far superior football program. It might take a bit of convincing to lure their highly successful OC down to Holy Cross and the Patriot League. Not withstanding the full schollies and the Luth. Plus it is a massive career risk for a youngish coach. These guys do their due diligence. 1. We have no idea whether he rejected it (or if he did, the reason therefor); whether he was not the choice; or whether the parties could not come to deal. 2. It is a not a massive risk for any coach - the team is pretty good, but needs to get over the hump (evidence is UConn and UNH game) - and it would appear that any coach that can get a little more to get over the hump, would be viewed favorably. If things are as suggested on here, and people are doing due diligence as you suggest, a coach that is successful at HC, would be viewed more favorably than a similarly successful coach at another school. That is the really not the case - winning is winning. 3. The coaches that have come through HC in the past are an indication that HC is a solid location for those trying to move up that old pyramid, e.g. Fipp (Eagles), Williams (Kansas), Quinn (Giants), Hull, not to mention the many others in the stronger years (Duffner, Malone, Sherman, etc.). At one point a few years ago, I think I counted something like 6-10 former HC coaches in the NFL. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 15:50:59 GMT -5
Talked to a person at UNH that told me money and recruiting with the PL standards we’re the issues for Cramsey. It is possible, but he made 178K at Nevada; doubtful he is making much more at Sam Houston State. Don't think it was the money. My sources tell me that money was not he issue, but not sure my sources at HC are as good as your sources as UNH on the negotiations between HC and Cramsey. P.S. I don't have sources. P.P.S. Other than the fact that Cramsey went to UNH in the 90's, why would anyone at UNH have inside information on the negotiations between Pine and Cramsey. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 14:33:09 GMT -5
If this keeps up, we should consider dropping football , as the product going forward is going to be highly questionable !! Just Shut up. Some people overreact a bit much. Drop the program because it is taking more time than we would like to get a guy named. Of all the reasons that have been brought up in the past for such a drastic move, this is the most asinine. Pine is choosing a new head coach, not ordering a sandwich. He is likely negotiating with the chosen guy. If it turns out to be Hull, the valid question will be why it took so long. Otherwise, everybody needs to relax and let things play out. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 10, 2017 20:55:55 GMT -5
Everyone calm down; it’s one commitment. As you all know, nothing is set in stone until it’s set in ink.
Plus, if he wants to go learn that Jesus rode a t-Rex, that is his right. I like our recruits to believe in evolution.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 8, 2017 17:25:49 GMT -5
bringbackcaro and hc pride - 2 guys you apparently don't want at your side when the chips are down (in the foxhole, bar fight, in the 4th quarter, whatever you prefer, etc.), unless you only want someone to tell you how bad it is, how X messed up to get him/you there, or generally just rain down pessimism everywhere.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 8, 2017 12:12:21 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 7, 2017 21:44:23 GMT -5
My friend’s son has been has been contacted by his position coach. He’s also early decision at Amherst. Where he will end up going because it’s a better school and the coaching foolishness has totally turned him off. If he wants to go play DIII ball, let him go...we don't want kids that would rather play in DIII. If his only two offers are Amherst and HC, then HC obviously needs new recruiters. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 7, 2017 21:38:23 GMT -5
Immediate goals for program over next 5 years: 1. Consistently compete for and Win PL title 2. Win playoff games 3. Schedule as many FBS games as possible, preferably in other parts of the country. This will deliver the HC brand to more recruits in other regions. 4. Play well in FBS games. We did vs. UConn. BC will he more difficult. Syracuse will be difficult. Army is a game that go either way, but is certainly a winnable game. A sincere question: Is this official doctrine?I'm new here and I'm sure I've missed a lot. Based on what I've seen the last few years, I would say yes. Me personally, I'd be very happy just to achieve #1. As someone said, beware of elegant plans. Don't want to be negative, but are kids in the rest of the country want to play here if they see us getting our asses handed to us? Are we too good for the Patriot League? I may be in the minority here, but I don't think so. There is nothing "official" on this board. The above is my opinion as to what the goals should be. TD128 will post information based on what the Friends of HC Crusader Football are doing. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 7, 2017 12:58:49 GMT -5
maybe we should worry about winning the PL instead of leaving it at this point. A couple of playoff wins and we can discuss.
BTW - why would BC leave a P5 conference to join this newly formed NECFC (New England College Football Conference).
Obviously, that name would not be used, as New England does not exactly endear the league to warm weather recruits. Maybe they can call it the colonial league, or the Yankee Conference, or the Patriot League.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 7, 2017 10:17:53 GMT -5
Per Twitter, Muhammad is going to become a graduate transfer. Good for him. Best of luck in his next adventure. This makes sense as he can graduate with his class at HC and still play football while getting in some free grad school.
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