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Post by trimster on Jan 2, 2020 21:45:10 GMT -5
Off nights for Butler and Wade. We know Ryan can shoot but what is needed is consistency. I hated the final score, but these guys are fun to watch. It will get better. Fun to watch? We have lost 13 of 14 games. What is fun to watch about that? This is a very bad basketball team. Ever wonder why opposing star players keep having the games of their lives against us. Tonight it was Kostecka. Against Northeastern it was the small guard who threw everything in. Harvard, their point guard who scored 30+ points. Against Fairfield the Cruz kid ate us up and on and on it goes. This is bad basketball.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 2, 2020 21:45:43 GMT -5
Niego taking a charge down 12 with 15 sec to go speaks volumes about the change in mindset. Hard for all to be patient, but progress is being made. As a point of reference, in early January last year Loyola looked much worse than we did tonight, and a month later beat us in Worcester. Kostecka, with 3 other SENIORS, learned how to win and lead down the stretch. Important, if not critical, in the PL to have that senior experience
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 2, 2020 21:50:35 GMT -5
Off nights for Butler and Wade. We know Ryan can shoot but what is needed is consistency. I hated the final score, but these guys are fun to watch. It will get better. 1-13, #340+ in D1, no bench, no PG, no C, I wouldn’t say this is fun to watch, pretty sad to watch
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Post by sarasota on Jan 2, 2020 21:52:59 GMT -5
What was the point of not starting Lowder? We have effective players at the 1-4 positions. We have no effective player at the 5 position. We cannot win that way. Have you been under a rock for the last couple of weeks? Instead of your sarcasm, why don't you answer my question? What Was The Point? He was put in the game early on anyway. So what was the point?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 2, 2020 21:57:24 GMT -5
Milan Brown began his career at HC 1-13, but then went on to go 7-7 in the final 14 regular season games. Don’t see that happening this season. But, Brown also had a far superior roster to the one Nelson has inherited.
This is going to be a historically bad season from a win loss record.
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Post by possum on Jan 2, 2020 21:58:28 GMT -5
Good effort tonight guys played hard all the way, we'll win our share in PL if we continue to play like tonight. Good to see Lowder back played under control and tried to get others involved, needs to continue to look for his offense as we don't have a lot of options. Pridgen with another great effort, he's a real building block to the future. Niego had a real nice game now let's see if he's able to string some solid games together. Faw looks lost and is having trouble getting into the flow of the game. Kostecka really bailed Loyola out tonight scoring in a variety of ways and at this point is looking like the best player in the league.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 2, 2020 22:42:59 GMT -5
Have you been under a rock for the last couple of weeks? Instead of your sarcasm, why don't you answer my question? What Was The Point? He was put in the game early on anyway. So what was the point? Doesn't matter who starts, it's who finishes. Some coach that won a lot of games once said that. Lowder played 24 minutes, had 4 fouls. Between that and him probably not being in tip top shape (due to injury), I believe Nelson would not have gotten many more minutes out of him.
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Post by trimster on Jan 2, 2020 22:45:50 GMT -5
After 14 games, our opponents have taken 110 more free throws than we have. They have made more foul shots than we have attempted.
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Post by HCFC45 on Jan 2, 2020 23:04:52 GMT -5
A few comments:
1.) We played well in the first half, both offensively and defensively, JP getting 16. 2.) We did not play with the same intensity on D in the second half. 3.) When CL came in we had a 7 point lead. When he left we were either tied or down. 4.) AK went off for 15 out of 21 shots.... 71%, 37 for the game IIRC. (Seems someone from the opponents always has a career game against us!) 5.) As for Butler... cut him some slack... he was recruited as a shooter, got injured and had serious surgery and now is playing out of position and in what he is being asked to do... think he is doing remarkable given the circumstances.... 6.) Can someone on D please anticipate and step in/block someone and get a charge call? Too many easy drives down the lane with nobody contending. 7.) We need to learn how to impose our will and WIN!!!
On to Navy!
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Post by dadominate on Jan 2, 2020 23:08:12 GMT -5
we are a completely different team with lowder on the court.
i don't pretend to know what was going on with lowder not playing the last few games. others may know for sure. perhaps it was injury, which i hope. but barring completely egregious violation, if lowder not playing was trying to send some kind of message, continuing to lose games and playing players out of position to prove some kind of point sends another message altogether. and not a positive one.
unless he was being a complete asshole, which there is no indication of other than moping in layup lines (we had players recently who moped while in the game and still played), lowder needs to play. we were competitive tonight and will be competitive in the pl with him. we are absolutely awful without him. furthermore, it's not fair to the other players to play them out of position (butler running the point is ridiculous with lowder as a healthy option as he was tonight) and put the entire team in a tough spot by playing without a point guard if he was simply in the doghouse.
while this roster is limited, the extreme variance in minutes from game to game which is apparently based on practice is not sitting well with me either. i want the players out on the court who are going to help us win, regardless of who hustles the most in practice that week or whatever else might have been going on reading into some of the comments that were made.
i'm admittedly not as tied into what is going on with the program as i once was, and maybe lowder was just being rested for league play and nelson's comments were a belichickian ruse. hopefully whatever happened in the past is in the past and lowder is our point guard from here on out as he is the best option at the point for this team without any question whatsoever.
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Post by matunuck on Jan 2, 2020 23:29:54 GMT -5
It is what it is but to have schools with zero basketball history regularly beat us is beyond tiresome. We shouldn’t be giving full rides to players who, while they may try hard and all the rest, really aren’t D-1 caliber. Rather lose and save the money. New coach has a huge selling job ahead if he’s to land what he needs.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 2, 2020 23:32:35 GMT -5
It is what it is but to have schools with zero basketball history regularly beat us is beyond tiresome. We shouldn’t be giving full rides to players who, while they may try hard and all the rest, really aren’t D-1 caliber. Rather lose and save the money. New coach has a huge selling job ahead if he’s to land what he needs. Without naming names, some of the guys Carmody offered scholarships to are pretty perplexing.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 3, 2020 0:13:54 GMT -5
...as I've said before, HC is not entitled to anything because of what it may have done in basketball once upon a time. Loyola and others are better and deserve to win.
Who BC gave scholarships to is another matter and I agree on that; on a number of levels, what the hell was he doing?
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Post by sarasota on Jan 3, 2020 0:25:04 GMT -5
If Lowder makes us a much better team and without him we are an awful team, then we pay an awful price for EVERY MINUTE Lowder isn't on the floor. If he is going to become physically compromised after x minutes, then it doesn't matter whether it happens x minutes after the start of the game or x minutes after his delayed start. If he gets tired after x minutes because he is out of shape then it will happen x minutes after he goes onto the floor whether at the start of the game or x minutes after his delayed start. As an aside, why was Lasanne on the floor at all? So Lowder is on the bench at the start and Lasanne is on the floor later in the game. I don't get it.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 3, 2020 0:25:52 GMT -5
...as I've said before, HC is not entitled to anything because of what it may have done in basketball once upon a time. Loyola and others are better and deserve to win. Who BC gave scholarships to is another matter and I agree on that; on a number of levels, what the hell was he doing? I think every coach ends up signing some players who, for one reason or another--lack of talent or injuries--are never able to contribute meaningfully on the court. Even our most successful coach of the millennium, Ralph, had a number of such players.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 3, 2020 0:32:04 GMT -5
Carmody had a highly structured offense and a highly structured defense, with little deviation. So it was a one dimensional scheme. So one dimensional players could implement that scheme. Such is not true of Nelson's scheme.
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Post by hcnation on Jan 3, 2020 2:54:36 GMT -5
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Post by hcnation on Jan 3, 2020 3:14:04 GMT -5
Instead of your sarcasm, why don't you answer my question? What Was The Point? He was put in the game early on anyway. So what was the point? Doesn't matter who starts, it's who finishes. Some coach that won a lot of games once said that. Lowder played 24 minutes, had 4 fouls. Between that and him probably not being in tip top shape (due to injury), I believe Nelson would not have gotten many more minutes out of him. Lowder’s 2 fouls in second half came with less than 20 seconds in game with the loss not in doubt
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 3, 2020 6:19:42 GMT -5
I think we need to remind ourselves that they are playing with a roster short 3 scholarship players. If you use up those slots with 3 above average players, everything changes.
I hope that 3 years from now Druzi is in the home stretch of a fabulous HC career, and we all look back and give the coach a thumbs up on his strategy to sit him (if that is indeed what has happened). Being in the honeymoon stage, CBN is getting close to 100% of the benefit of the doubt (and as a result, Druzi is getting close to 0%), but I think we must also remember that this is CBN's first rodeo as a head coach. Let's hope it all works out for the best. All this "unselfish" stuff does have me scratching my head a bit, though. I have to assume he refers to things outside of game action (would be great if Dick L. asked him to give an example of unselfishness if CBN continues to use the term in interviews). I don't see where Druzi's playing style is unselfish ON the court - he is clearly a specially talented offensive player (like JP); I want him to have a scoring mentality!
While I would not say I am having "fun" watching the games, I do find it very interesting to watch the transformation. IMHO the next big step in this phase is to get MF comfortable in the system; it's a must.
AB and CN have my utmost respect for their efforts and sacrifice; and while CN has missed his share of inside shots, he is also starting to mix it up more with defense and rebounding.
KC's situation is strange to me (unless I missed something). I know he started the season hurt (in boot), then after playing a bit I thought he had some kind of illness. Is he hurt again or sick? If sick, why would he be on the bench? It would have been nice to have him available last night to spend a few minutes on Kostecka; if nothing else it would have given JP a bit of a breather. I still feel like fatigue played a role in the last 10 minutes of the game.
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Post by possum on Jan 3, 2020 6:58:03 GMT -5
Yes KC has been an interesting case, I thought earlier this year he had turned a corner with 3 good games in a row. He then player poorly in a few games now has been sick or injured once again. A major problem with this team is that other than a select few you have no idea what you're going to get from most of the players from one game to the next. To have any success we're going to need a few of these guys to have productive games on a consistent basis.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 3, 2020 7:14:01 GMT -5
Agree about the inconsistency...
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Post by dadominate on Jan 3, 2020 7:57:17 GMT -5
Yes KC has been an interesting case, I thought earlier this year he had turned a corner with 3 good games in a row. He then player poorly in a few games now has been sick or injured once again. A major problem with this team is that other than a select few you have no idea what you're going to get from most of the players from one game to the next. To have any success we're going to need a few of these guys to have productive games on a consistent basis. a related problem is that one night a player will start and/or play major minutes... the next game he doesn't even get off the bench. it can be hard to play loose and with confidence when this is the case.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 3, 2020 8:10:48 GMT -5
Off nights for Butler and Wade. We know Ryan can shoot but what is needed is consistency. I hated the final score, but these guys are fun to watch. It will get better. Fun to watch? We have lost 13 of 14 games. What is fun to watch about that? This is a very bad basketball team. Ever wonder why opposing star players keep having the games of their lives against us. Tonight it was Kostecka. Against Northeastern it was the small guard who threw everything in. Harvard, their point guard who scored 30+ points. Against Fairfield the Cruz kid ate us up and on and on it goes. This is bad basketball. Since you asked, these players have energy and an exciting style of play that shows growing promise for the future. As a Holy Cross fan, I see a team that is improving and building for the future. If all you can do is recount every success of opp[onents, I do feel sorry for you. As a Holy Cross fan it must be hard to see the glass always totally empty. If you need to look backwards, you might remember that similar things were said about the play of JF despite what was happening from of people. Why, HC seems to have found a few D1 players that some said did not exist on this team only a few weeks ago.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 3, 2020 8:15:40 GMT -5
Yes KC has been an interesting case, I thought earlier this year he had turned a corner with 3 good games in a row. He then player poorly in a few games now has been sick or injured once again. A major problem with this team is that other than a select few you have no idea what you're going to get from most of the players from one game to the next. To have any success we're going to need a few of these guys to have productive games on a consistent basis. a related problem is that one night a player will start and/or play major minutes... the next game he doesn't even get off the bench. it can be hard to play loose and with confidence when this is the case. dado, impressions of seeing Joe P. in person?
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Post by possum on Jan 3, 2020 8:24:39 GMT -5
Realistically I think the only players on the roster that have a chance to compete on this level are Pridgen, Lowder, Butler, Niego, Wade, Hargis, Copeland and Faw. Success will be determined by what kind of consistent efforts we can get from Niego, Wade, Hargis, Copeland and Faw. All have had some positive performances, with Faw's coming in previous seasons, but none have been consistent. I think we know what we're getting from Pridgen, Butler and Lowder, assuming any problems are behind him, on a nightly basis. I think at this point BN is done experimenting and will rise or fall with these 8 players.
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