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Post by bison137 on Apr 26, 2020 9:56:50 GMT -5
I believe schools enters players into the portal after a counseling session by someone other than the coach. That makes me feel a little better. I didn't know it was the school not the player who enters the name in the portal and a counseling session occurs beforehand. I wonder who the counselor at HC is, somebody from the actual Counseling Center or somebody like the AD? The player goes to the school's compliance director/department and tells them he wants his name entered into the portal. The compliance person may offer some counseling although that is not mandatory and the player doesn't have to listen to it. In any case, the school is obligated to enter the player's name within two days.
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 26, 2020 12:17:24 GMT -5
Procedurally I image that the clock starts to run when the player turns in a signed form to the compliance officer. The form probably acknowledges the impact on the player's scholarship et al.
I wonder if the form gives the player the option of allowing the officer to notify the coach immediately.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 26, 2020 12:32:48 GMT -5
Procedurally I image that the clock starts to run when the player turns in a signed form to the compliance officer. The form probably acknowledges the impact on the player's scholarship et al. I wonder if the form gives the player the option of allowing the officer to notify the coach immediately. I’m guessing the coach is the first person to know. The other stuff is just process to get the name in the portal. Joe P entering the portal was definitely not a surprise to Nelson and there were plenty of discussions between Pridgen and the coaches from the time the season ended until he decided to enter the portal.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2020 13:16:39 GMT -5
The one year sit out requirement status is up in the air now, but if it remains I wonder if the coaching change from BC who recruited him to BN will give JP any extra consideration for a waiver. Or is it water under the bridge after playing a whole year and obviously not being treated unfairly when it comes to playing time, shot opportunities, etc.?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2020 13:24:05 GMT -5
Procedurally I image that the clock starts to run when the player turns in a signed form to the compliance officer. The form probably acknowledges the impact on the player's scholarship et al. I wonder if the form gives the player the option of allowing the officer to notify the coach immediately. I’m guessing the coach is the first person to know. The other stuff is just process to get the name in the portal. Joe P entering the portal was definitely not a surprise to Nelson and there were plenty of discussions between Pridgen and the coaches from the time the season ended until he decided to enter the portal. Interestingly, it was a surprise to me and seemed to rock this board. I remember reading a quote from Joe about how he was excited to start turning the team around next season or something to that effect but can't remember if it was in the Telegram or something from the HC website. It's kind of like the royal family in Britain. It would be much more surprising for Prince William, who is the "Heir" to step down from his position than Prince Harry who is the "Spare".
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 26, 2020 15:52:11 GMT -5
I wonder why Joe waited 7 weeks after the season ended to go into the portal? Did something happen in that seven week period to cause him to make the decision to leave?
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 26, 2020 15:55:55 GMT -5
I wonder why Joe waited 7 weeks after the season ended to go into the portal? Did something happen in that seven week period to cause him to make the decision to leave? Tampering? Recruiting?
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Post by trimster on Apr 26, 2020 16:20:34 GMT -5
I wonder why Joe waited 7 weeks after the season ended to go into the portal? Did something happen in that seven week period to cause him to make the decision to leave? I wondered the same thing as I am sure others have as well. If he was unhappy, you would think he would made a move to leave right after the season.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 26, 2020 16:33:11 GMT -5
I wonder why Joe waited 7 weeks after the season ended to go into the portal? Did something happen in that seven week period to cause him to make the decision to leave? I wondered the same thing as I am sure others have as well. If he was unhappy, you would think he would made a move to leave right after the season. Don't think the decision was quite as clear cut for him as it might have been for some others. Being away from school, coaches, teammates, classmates, etc probably didn’t help us keep him. Too much time for the vultures to circle.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 26, 2020 17:02:23 GMT -5
I wonder why Joe waited 7 weeks after the season ended to go into the portal? Did something happen in that seven week period to cause him to make the decision to leave? Tampering? Recruiting? Off the book recruiting I'm sure. As in another Division I coach probably didn't shoot him an email, phone call or text message. Read between the lines.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 26, 2020 17:24:10 GMT -5
It would be consistent with Arkansas’ Musselman to reach out when 2 of his returnees decided to go into the draft.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 26, 2020 17:38:52 GMT -5
Didn’t we find out that Connor Niego was in the portal just a week or 10 days before Joe?? And I stress the find out portion of that question. They could have been in the portal for a few days (maybe even a week or two) before word leaked out.
And another thing to keep in mind, in a normal year April 22 is only 2-3 weeks after the Final 4 and is likely the time many guys are deciding to transfer as the BB season has completely ended and the school year is winding down. . So, all in all, it doesn’t seem so terribly late or unusual to me for a kid to decide to transfer in late April.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 26, 2020 19:07:02 GMT -5
Off the book recruiting I'm sure. As in another Division I coach probably didn't shoot him an email, phone call or text message. Read between the lines. Much more likely for an AAU coach, HS coach, or family member to be speaking to a D1 coach if there is any contact. A D1 coach is unlikely to commit a recruiting violation such as an email, text, etc when it is so likely to be discovered. Not worth probation and/or possible loss of job.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2020 20:19:27 GMT -5
I like that phrase "fruit of the poison tree" you here lawyers say. If selecting the college you attend starts out with a clandestine, cloak and dagger recruitment, what's the chances for a story book ending?
Joe had a story book beginning at HC. At least he will always have that.
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Post by sader1998 on Apr 27, 2020 9:06:13 GMT -5
Joe had a story book beginning at HC. At least he will always have that. Given that the team went 3-29, that's a pretty ghastly story.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 27, 2020 9:13:37 GMT -5
Joe had a story book beginning at HC. At least he will always have that. Given that the team went 3-29, that's a pretty ghastly story. Right, from a team perspective.
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Post by sader1998 on Apr 27, 2020 9:49:54 GMT -5
I’m a bit late to the dance here, but upon reading the news of Joe P AND Connor looking to transfer, I don’t understand how this story isn’t more of an indictment of BN. It seems that more players have transferred out in the last year since BN took over than have left early in the last two decades. That’s a HUGE red flag. Has ANY D1 program lost so many transfers in 1 year (absent some kind of NCAA sanction)?
Sure, the college basketball landscape has changed in recent years. And I don’t fault player empowerment to find a situation that’s right for them. But there is clearly something that BN is/has been doing to run off so many players. That strikes me as unseemly. I’ve never read anything about players getting in trouble or being academically ineligible, so that doesn’t appear to be a factor. It seems to me that those who have left/are leaving don’t fit his system or style. If that’s the case, shame on BN. You work with what you have. As a teacher – which, in a broad sense, BN is – it’s incumbent upon you to meet those students/athletes where they are and help make them better. While the students/athletes have some responsibility to adapt, too, so must the coach/teacher.
Perhaps I’m still a naïve believer in Crusader exceptionalism that the HC experience is special and unique enough that it would enhance the value for student-athletes to play here. Under BN, thus far, that hasn’t been the case.
I believe there’s a deeper story here worth reporting.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 27, 2020 10:18:55 GMT -5
Many of us submitted a question as to why so many players have left the MBB team, to the AD during his one hour webinar. He mentioned global trends. I don't think he sees it as a big deal. I think it is significant myself. On a percentage basis, the departed in MBB are way out of proportion to the other scholarship sports at HC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 27, 2020 10:25:36 GMT -5
If Pridgen and Lowder both end up in P5 conferences, then that'll be a big indictment on Nelson.
I don't care what Bring Back says about "culture" and that losing Lowder is addition by subtraction because he may have been a bad apple. Nelson isn't getting an offensive talent like Lowder anytime soon, so it would have been nice for him to have found a way to make it work.
Perhaps we are seeing blemishes of Nelson's ability to manage talent and personalities in his first go-around as a head coach.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 27, 2020 10:27:39 GMT -5
I’m a bit late to the dance here, but upon reading the news of Joe P AND Connor looking to transfer, I don’t understand how this story isn’t more of an indictment of BN. It seems that more players have transferred out in the last year since BN took over than have left early in the last two decades. That’s a HUGE red flag. Has ANY D1 program lost so many transfers in 1 year (absent some kind of NCAA sanction)? Sure, the college basketball landscape has changed in recent years. And I don’t fault player empowerment to find a situation that’s right for them. But there is clearly something that BN is/has been doing to run off so many players. That strikes me as unseemly. I’ve never read anything about players getting in trouble or being academically ineligible, so that doesn’t appear to be a factor. It seems to me that those who have left/are leaving don’t fit his system or style. If that’s the case, shame on BN. You work with what you have. As a teacher – which, in a broad sense, BN is – it’s incumbent upon you to meet those students/athletes where they are and help make them better. While the students/athletes have some responsibility to adapt, too, so must the coach/teacher. Perhaps I’m still a naïve believer in Crusader exceptionalism that the HC experience is special and unique enough that it would enhance the value for student-athletes to play here. Under BN, thus far, that hasn’t been the case. I believe there’s a deeper story here worth reporting. I think everyone is unhappy about the number of players leaving, but ADMB emphasized there were several reasons for it. Every case is unique. Some players realized (or were told) that D1 wasn't the place for them. Some were unhappy with playing time. In the case of JP it might be simply a case that he had a stellar year, had people whispering in his year about playing at power schools, and couldn't resist. For all we know he loves BN and BN did everything he could to keep him. Who knows? It's a bad situation but there is no simple answer that explains all the departures.
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Post by trimster on Apr 27, 2020 10:31:16 GMT -5
Many of us submitted a question as to why so many players have left the MBB team, to the AD during his one hour webinar. He mentioned global trends. I don't think he sees it as a big deal. I think it is significant myself. On a percentage basis, the departed in MBB are way out of proportion to the other scholarship sports at HC. I would be shocked if ADMB didn’t see this as a big deal and my guess is it is probably on the radar of the people in Fenwick. I have no idea why so many players have transferred but I am quite sure it hasn’t gone unnoticed by TPTB at HC. The last 5 years have probably attracted a lot of unwanted attention of the men’s hoop program by those in the top positions at the college. It hasn’t been a good look. Hopefully, the incoming group turns things around in a hurry and I am not referring to the won-loss record.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 27, 2020 11:45:46 GMT -5
Please stop, we don't need another one and done coach. Let's give Nelson 2 more years to see what he can do. With our schedule we can't expect to keep top players. Let's see what the current recruits can do next season.
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Post by deep Purple on Apr 27, 2020 11:49:33 GMT -5
The only real loss is JP. He'll be replaced. Not a big deal.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 27, 2020 11:50:21 GMT -5
We should compare ourselves to other teams in the conference. If they do not have transfers at our level then the answer is in the HC program not in the conference or among “mid majors “
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 27, 2020 12:32:04 GMT -5
I’m a bit late to the dance here, but upon reading the news of Joe P AND Connor looking to transfer, I don’t understand how this story isn’t more of an indictment of BN. It seems that more players have transferred out in the last year since BN took over than have left early in the last two decades. That’s a HUGE red flag. Has ANY D1 program lost so many transfers in 1 year (absent some kind of NCAA sanction)? Sure, the college basketball landscape has changed in recent years. And I don’t fault player empowerment to find a situation that’s right for them. But there is clearly something that BN is/has been doing to run off so many players. That strikes me as unseemly. I’ve never read anything about players getting in trouble or being academically ineligible, so that doesn’t appear to be a factor. It seems to me that those who have left/are leaving don’t fit his system or style. If that’s the case, shame on BN. You work with what you have. As a teacher – which, in a broad sense, BN is – it’s incumbent upon you to meet those students/athletes where they are and help make them better. While the students/athletes have some responsibility to adapt, too, so must the coach/teacher. Perhaps I’m still a naïve believer in Crusader exceptionalism that the HC experience is special and unique enough that it would enhance the value for student-athletes to play here. Under BN, thus far, that hasn’t been the case. I believe there’s a deeper story here worth reporting. I just find it interesting that everything seems to be an endictment of BN when guys who he didn't recruit transfer out, but Carmody running a program where players were thrown off the team/out of school for criminal conduct on two separate occasions was somehow not viewed as something that Carmody should have/could have controlled. Nelson's job is not to make all of the Carmody holdovers happy -- his job is to turn this program around, and that is the only thing that he should be held accountable for. We have lost one player (Pridgen) who would have been a core piece of a program turnaround.
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