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Post by unhfan on Nov 27, 2021 23:05:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure why the comment about mediocre competition. UNH was picked to finish 3rd in America East and has played two Big East Teams very tough. I believe Holy Cross was picked 9th in the PL but I could be wrong. It's the one thing I don't get about this board the putting down of your opponents like Holy Cross is so much better than them and how could they possible lose to these schools. I understand loving your school but how about a little human decency and respecting every opponent on your schedule. Now some people on this board do that but so many are arrogant and full of it talking down any opponent that isn't from a P5. Come on be a better fan. We coulda been in the Big East ya' know...... Oh don't I know and I think you have some football fans that want Nick Saban to come to Fitton Field with his Tide football team for a game
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Post by hc87 on Nov 27, 2021 23:18:49 GMT -5
Alabama and HC almost did have a home&home in the early 1980s....I kid you not. Game would probably have been at Schaefer....we declined and BC took the series. We take our HC football and hoop seriously here but most of us are pretty good guys....except maybe for HC92 and his bratty kids.
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Post by unhfan on Nov 27, 2021 23:31:53 GMT -5
Alabama and HC almost did have a home&home in the early 1980s....I kid you not. Game would probably have been at Schaefer....we declined and BC took the series. We take our HC football and hoop seriously here but most of us are pretty good guys....except maybe for HC92 and his bratty kids. I respect taking it seriously but some folks wow a bit over the top in my humble opinion but I'm the outsider even though I am Catholic.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 27, 2021 23:53:51 GMT -5
UNH has head coach continuity and is now enjoying an upperclassman dominated roster who have developed together in the same system, without losing one coach's recruits in favor of the next coach's recruits and then rinse and repeat. I have little appetite to blow the team up again so soon after the last explosion.
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Post by unhfan on Nov 27, 2021 23:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 28, 2021 1:11:15 GMT -5
I can’t understand the extent of the apologists on this thread. Isn’t it patently obvious? It’s time to move on. Blame the quality of the recruiting? Yes. Question the preparation? Yes. Sorry, but wanting to give a guy more than 27 months (including a global pandemic) to turn around a dumpster fire handed to him by a guy who was semi-retired his entire 4-year tenure does not make one an “apologist.” Changing coaches and losing a significant chunk of the returning roster to transfers would set us back another 3-4+ years. Oh, and who are you going to hire? Sorry, but SOV’s guy from Skidmore isn’t going to magically turn things around overnight having to build a roster from scratch after never having recruited a scholarship roster before.Our best chance is Nelson figuring out how to turn things around over the next 15 months. I recommend doing some research on Matt Langel and Wes Miller. If the AD’s at Colgate and UNC Greensboro were as patient as you, those programs would likely still be in the sh*tter. Love the mention of Skidmore when you know darn well that it is Swarthmore. As far as going from non-schollie to recruiting with scholarships, haven't we been through this before. Recruiting is selling---understanding the customer's needs and wants, building rapport, presenting a vision, illuminating the features and benefits of a Holy Cross basketball program and education. If a D-3 coach can excel at recruiting players without offering scholarships, he might just be able to recruit players by offering a free education. Recruiting is selling: some people can do it and some cannot. Don't overthink the scholarship/no-scholarship issue.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 28, 2021 1:32:51 GMT -5
Sorry, but wanting to give a guy more than 27 months (including a global pandemic) to turn around a dumpster fire handed to him by a guy who was semi-retired his entire 4-year tenure does not make one an “apologist.” Changing coaches and losing a significant chunk of the returning roster to transfers would set us back another 3-4+ years. Oh, and who are you going to hire? Sorry, but SOV’s guy from Skidmore isn’t going to magically turn things around overnight having to build a roster from scratch after never having recruited a scholarship roster before.Our best chance is Nelson figuring out how to turn things around over the next 15 months. I recommend doing some research on Matt Langel and Wes Miller. If the AD’s at Colgate and UNC Greensboro were as patient as you, those programs would likely still be in the sh*tter. Love the mention of Skidmore when you know darn well that it is Swarthmore. As far as going from non-schollie to recruiting with scholarships, haven't we been through this before. Recruiting is selling---understanding the customer's needs and wants, building rapport, presenting a vision, illuminating the features and benefits of a Holy Cross basketball program and education. If a D-3 coach can excel at recruiting players without offering scholarships, he might just be able to recruit players by offering a free education. Recruiting is selling: some people can do it and some cannot. Don't overthink the scholarship/no-scholarship issue. The Swarthmore job is better than HC right now...no clue why he would leave there for HC when he can get a better job. Swarthmore isn't an easy school to get kids in (nine percent acceptance rate) so he is used to having tough admission standards.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 28, 2021 4:34:04 GMT -5
Trying to find something - I would say Louth is very gradually showing improvement in different things, now that he has played 7 plus games in his career. I also thought the defense was OK for 6-7 minutes at the beginning of the game. But once the O started struggling, then it seemed like it took at toll at the defensive end.
Experience does matter. As UNHFan commented, you could tell the UNH players were older men. It does make a difference. You could even see it in the expressions on their faces - they knew they would prevail. Of course, they also had the edge experience wise in the coaching department.
I am hoping things improve; I too do not want to start over again at this point. None of this is helping my already poor sleeping habits either.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 28, 2021 8:01:14 GMT -5
Sorry, but wanting to give a guy more than 27 months (including a global pandemic) to turn around a dumpster fire handed to him by a guy who was semi-retired his entire 4-year tenure does not make one an “apologist.” Changing coaches and losing a significant chunk of the returning roster to transfers would set us back another 3-4+ years. Oh, and who are you going to hire? Sorry, but SOV’s guy from Skidmore isn’t going to magically turn things around overnight having to build a roster from scratch after never having recruited a scholarship roster before.Our best chance is Nelson figuring out how to turn things around over the next 15 months. I recommend doing some research on Matt Langel and Wes Miller. If the AD’s at Colgate and UNC Greensboro were as patient as you, those programs would likely still be in the sh*tter. Love the mention of Skidmore when you know darn well that it is Swarthmore. As far as going from non-schollie to recruiting with scholarships, haven't we been through this before. Recruiting is selling---understanding the customer's needs and wants, building rapport, presenting a vision, illuminating the features and benefits of a Holy Cross basketball program and education. If a D-3 coach can excel at recruiting players without offering scholarships, he might just be able to recruit players by offering a free education. Recruiting is selling: some people can do it and some cannot. Don't overthink the scholarship/no-scholarship issue. Yes, just completely ignore the fixed supply on a scholarship roster, as well as the importance of talent evaluation for that fixed supply. You can sell until the cows come home, but in D1 you only have 13 scholarships and need to be very aware off class and positional balance. You also feel the pain of incorrect talent evaluations for a full 4 years, versus just being able to bring in more guys to play the same position. While certainly not rocket science, it’s also not as simple as you make it sound, particularly in a situation like what would be happening if we get rid of Nelson before he has had a real chance with the current roster.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 28, 2021 8:10:52 GMT -5
How’d Paulsen do going from Williams to Bucknell?
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Post by dadominate on Nov 28, 2021 8:20:36 GMT -5
Love the mention of Skidmore when you know darn well that it is Swarthmore. As far as going from non-schollie to recruiting with scholarships, haven't we been through this before. Recruiting is selling---understanding the customer's needs and wants, building rapport, presenting a vision, illuminating the features and benefits of a Holy Cross basketball program and education. If a D-3 coach can excel at recruiting players without offering scholarships, he might just be able to recruit players by offering a free education. Recruiting is selling: some people can do it and some cannot. Don't overthink the scholarship/no-scholarship issue. Yes, just completely ignore the fixed supply on a scholarship roster, as well as the importance of talent evaluation for that fixed supply. You can sell until the cows come home, but in D1 you only have 13 scholarships and need to be very aware off class and positional balance. You also feel the pain of incorrect talent evaluations for a full 4 years, versus just being able to bring in more guys to play the same position. While certainly not rocket science, it’s also not as simple as you make it sound, particularly in a situation like what would be happening if we get rid of Nelson before he has had a real chance with the current roster. perhaps the only positive of the shockingly disappointing start to the nelson era is the increasingly amusing mental gymnastics bbc utilizes to still somehow blame bill carmody for every loss. i'm not sure i've ever seen this degree of spin even in hyperpolarized "news". there could be a job at cnn for you, bbc ! that said, while our w/l record and lack of any discernible identity as a program has been terrible, parting ways at the end of this year even if this season shows no improvement over last could create even more problems. our new ad should be and certainly will be keeping eyes open for hungry, successful d-3 coaches that would view the hc job as a step up for them if we aren't competing for the pl regular season and tournament championship next year. there will be absolutely no excuses at that point in time. if we do have to go in another direction then, i think it's becoming clear that assistant coaches from bigger programs with no head coaching experience (kearney, nelson), unsuccessful d1 coaches (brown), or coaches on the downswing of their career (carmody) are not ideal choices for hc at this point in time.
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Post by trimster on Nov 28, 2021 8:24:16 GMT -5
Speaking of class balance, what we have for a roster absent any transfers, is pretty much the roster for the next two years. We only have two scholarship upperclassmen on this year’s team.
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Post by crosspride on Nov 28, 2021 8:31:56 GMT -5
Much like most of us thought Milan Brown was a fish out of water, it’s becoming painfully clear that Brett Nelson is a fish out of water at HC. And as we all know, the results after we fired Brown have been ATROCIOUS. It’s incredibly lazy to simply call for the coaches head after 3 years or less which is what you have done for the last 15 years of terrible holy cross basketball. Seems like you and maybe others behind the scenes are the one constant?!?!
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 28, 2021 8:41:10 GMT -5
The only thing Milan didn't do was win. I think if he succeeded Willard directly instead of Kearney, the trajectory of the program might not have been the same. With his warm personality, if he had won he would have been a fish in water.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 28, 2021 8:53:55 GMT -5
Middling usually but they have been very competitive against Marquette and Providence. So maybe they are just good this year for the first time in their history. UNH basketball has been on the up for 4 or 5 years now. Used to be one of the worst DI programs. Never thought I'd see the day when Holy Cross basketball would be aspiring to play at the level of Colgate and New Hampshire. But here we are. Happy for you guys. .What's odd is having a hockey and BB matchup between these fine institutions on the same day and HC be much more competitive in hockey versus basketball!
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Post by trimster on Nov 28, 2021 9:08:07 GMT -5
The thing that troubles me the most when watching HC is the the number of point blank shot attempts opponents get against our defense. It is maddening. If it continues without any adjustment to our defensive philosophy, I would find that to be extremely troubling.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 28, 2021 9:15:55 GMT -5
Low post play is in a lot of offenses (if you dare call what we run an offense) key to setting up open 3 point jumpers. That puts a lot of pressure on Gates to either finish or find an open guy; and right now he's doing neither.
Of course, someone who's good at analyzing this sort of thing could tell us if part of that is that the other guys aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing when Gates gets the ball; e.g., standing and watching.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 28, 2021 9:28:58 GMT -5
Much like most of us thought Milan Brown was a fish out of water, it’s becoming painfully clear that Brett Nelson is a fish out of water at HC. And as we all know, the results after we fired Brown have been ATROCIOUS. It’s incredibly lazy to simply call for the coaches head after 3 years or less which is what you have done for the last 15 years of terrible holy cross basketball. Seems like you and maybe others behind the scenes are the one constant?!?! Maybe firing Milan Brown was the right move but the subsequent hire was the wrong one? I don’t think moving on from a coach who has shown to be in over his head is the wrong decision, so long as the next hire is the right one. We haven’t made a good hire since FHCRW, who fell right into DR’s lap.
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Post by trimster on Nov 28, 2021 9:43:46 GMT -5
One thing we don’t want to become is a graveyard for coaches.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 28, 2021 9:44:48 GMT -5
Low post play is in a lot of offenses (if you dare call what we run an offense) key to setting up open 3 point jumpers. That puts a lot of pressure on Gates to either finish or find an open guy; and right now he's doing neither. Of course, someone who's good at analyzing this sort of thing could tell us if part of that is that the other guys aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing when Gates gets the ball; e.g., standing and watching. On offense and defense there is precious little movement, but a boat load of ball watching. That has not improved since game one against Regis. Again I am somewhat willing to be patient, but need to see game to game progress and team improvements that demonstrate hope and promise of a better future. looking at this from a player experience and perspective would be interesting. I am most concerned that if this group doesn’t learn how to win and compete soon, there is a possibility Nelson could lose the confidence of the team. That is something that should never happen. perhaps the goal moving forward in 21-22 is to improve game to game, compete, keep games within 8-10 points and steal 4-6 wins. That gives us up to 8 wins, a really disappointing season, but players, coaches and fans see progress. Wow I just set a low bar, but watching these games a way more realistic view than the 14-16 wins I wanted to see.
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Post by Tom on Nov 28, 2021 10:57:49 GMT -5
The only thing Milan didn't do was win. . . . and other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play. Winning is kind of a big gap in the resume
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 28, 2021 11:06:44 GMT -5
UNH basketball has been on the up for 4 or 5 years now. Used to be one of the worst DI programs. Never thought I'd see the day when Holy Cross basketball would be aspiring to play at the level of Colgate and New Hampshire. But here we are. Happy for you guys. .What's odd is having a hockey and BB matchup between these fine institutions on the same day and HC be much more competitive in hockey versus basketball! Your comment is literally: Show me you don't follow College Hockey without saying it.... UNH hasn't been over .500 in hockey since 2013-2014 season (either in conference or overall) and haven't been in the NCAA Tourney since 2012-2013.
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Post by trimster on Nov 28, 2021 11:30:31 GMT -5
One thing pointed out on the broadcast was Gates missed a month of practice, assuming that is accurate info.
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Post by rickii on Nov 28, 2021 11:42:05 GMT -5
The thing that troubles me the most when watching HC is the the number of point blank shot attempts opponents get against our defense. It is maddening. If it continues without any adjustment to our defensive philosophy, I would find that to be extremely troubling. What adjustments to our defensive philosophy would you suggest?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 28, 2021 11:49:35 GMT -5
The only thing Milan didn't do was win. . . . and other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play. Winning is kind of a big gap in the resume The first half of the play got good reviews. Of course winning isn't everything, it's the only thing as the other Vince said. I was referring to the comment about Milan being a fish out of water. I don't think he was due to his friendly personality. I think the drop off from witnessing excellence being possible at HC under Ralph made it tough on his successors. From my limited interactions, I would say Milan had the most engaging personality and put the most effort into outreach of any of the last five coaches including Ralph. But others closer to the program would know more.
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