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UNH Game
Nov 28, 2021 11:53:29 GMT -5
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Post by rickii on Nov 28, 2021 11:53:29 GMT -5
Low post play is in a lot of offenses (if you dare call what we run an offense) key to setting up open 3 point jumpers. That puts a lot of pressure on Gates to either finish or find an open guy; and right now he's doing neither. Of course, someone who's good at analyzing this sort of thing could tell us if part of that is that the other guys aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing when Gates gets the ball; e.g., standing and watching. On offense and defense there is precious little movement, but a boat load of ball watching. That has not improved since game one against Regis. Again I am somewhat willing to be patient, but need to see game to game progress and team improvements that demonstrate hope and promise of a better future. looking at this from a player experience and perspective would be interesting. I am most concerned that if this group doesn’t learn how to win and compete soon, there is a possibility Nelson could lose the confidence of the team. That is something that should never happen. perhaps the goal moving forward in 21-22 is to improve game to game, compete, keep games within 8-10 points and steal 4-6 wins. That gives us up to 8 wins, a really disappointing season, but players, coaches and fans see progress. Wow I just set a low bar, but watching these games a way more realistic view than the 14-16 wins I wanted to see. Respectfully....can’t fathom how anyone could see 14-16 wins for a team dominated by frosh and sophs plus having near zero knowledge of pre-season talent of all our opponents.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 28, 2021 11:55:48 GMT -5
.What's odd is having a hockey and BB matchup between these fine institutions on the same day and HC be much more competitive in hockey versus basketball! Your comment is literally: Show me you don't follow College Hockey without saying it.... UNH hasn't been over .500 in hockey since 2013-2014 season (either in conference or overall) and haven't been in the NCAA Tourney since 2012-2013. ...but they should still beat an Atlantic team at the bottom of that league by 2-3 goals, no? Not tie them.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 28, 2021 12:13:21 GMT -5
On offense and defense there is precious little movement, but a boat load of ball watching. That has not improved since game one against Regis. Again I am somewhat willing to be patient, but need to see game to game progress and team improvements that demonstrate hope and promise of a better future. looking at this from a player experience and perspective would be interesting. I am most concerned that if this group doesn’t learn how to win and compete soon, there is a possibility Nelson could lose the confidence of the team. That is something that should never happen. perhaps the goal moving forward in 21-22 is to improve game to game, compete, keep games within 8-10 points and steal 4-6 wins. That gives us up to 8 wins, a really disappointing season, but players, coaches and fans see progress. Wow I just set a low bar, but watching these games a way more realistic view than the 14-16 wins I wanted to see. Respectfully....can’t fathom how anyone could see 14-16 wins for a team dominated by frosh and sophs plus having near zero knowledge of pre-season talent of all our opponents. Fair enough, like most more aspirational at the beginning of the season, but if we aren’t close to that number-10 plus we aren’t making progress.year over year. If things don’t turn around soon, however, I might need to think about embracing and accepting the words of JRR Tolkien when thinking about Crusader hoops I do not expect 'history' to be anything but a 'long defeat' — though it contains some samples or glimpses of final victory
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 28, 2021 12:13:22 GMT -5
It is so hard for me to understand how anyone, even a diehard Crusader hoop fan, can watch this team perform and still hold out hope that given more time Nelson will turn this program into a winner. Really? Are you watching the same games I am? There is a major problem here. We aren’t losing by a few points and showing improvement each game. We are getting embarrassed by very mediocre competition.I can’t figure out yet if the problem is the talent or the coach….or both. The CCSU game may provide some more clarity. They are the weakest remaining team on our schedule. Another poor performance and even the most pessimistic projected win totals for the season should probably be adjusted down. I'm not sure why the comment about mediocre competition. Let me explain myself.
4 of our 5 opponents (not including BC where we lost by 30) have the following ranks in the Sagarin rating system:
Quinnipiac - 290
Air Force - 257 Bryant - 248
UNH - 192
With an average rank of 247 out of 358 teams.....or roughly in the bottom 30% of DIV I basketball, I think most fans would agree that "mediocre" as a description is somewhat generous.
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Post by unhfan on Nov 28, 2021 12:58:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure why the comment about mediocre competition. Let me explain myself.
4 of our 5 opponents (not including BC where we lost by 30) have the following ranks in the Sagarin rating system:
Quinnipiac - 290
Air Force - 257 Bryant - 248
UNH - 192
With an average rank of 247 out of 358 teams.....or roughly in the bottom 30% of DIV I basketball, I think most fans would agree that "mediocre" as a description is somewhat generous.
You can make statistics say or look however you want them to. I see a UNH team that was picked 3rd in the AE and a Bryant team that last year played in the conference title game and I don't see mediocre. Just as I don't look at Holy Cross who I believe was picked second to last and think oh easy win. It's hard to win in college basketball no matter who you play and I've always believed in respecting your opponents.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 28, 2021 13:01:30 GMT -5
It is so hard for me to understand how anyone, even a diehard Crusader hoop fan, can watch this team perform and still hold out hope that given more time Nelson will turn this program into a winner. Really? Are you watching the same games I am? There is a major problem here. We aren’t losing by a few points and showing improvement each game. We are getting embarrassed by very mediocre competition. I can’t figure out yet if the problem is the talent or the coach….or both. The CCSU game may provide some more clarity. They are the weakest remaining team on our schedule. Another poor performance and even the most pessimistic projected win totals for the season should probably be adjusted down. I understand loving your school but how about a little human decency and respecting every opponent on your schedule. Human decency? This is a college sports message board talking about a mid-major college basketball game. No one is denigrating who these people are representing UNH basketball.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 28, 2021 13:42:32 GMT -5
Loved MB as a person and I think his players loved him too. Didn’t think he was a great game coach. He was over .500 in PL play for his time at HC. Imagine what we wouldn’t give to be over .500 in PL play now.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 28, 2021 14:47:21 GMT -5
I second your comment about Milan's outreach. Sean, perhaps second in his cameo appearance on the hill. Carmody didn't do much but his beloved wife did. Nelson, not close to even Carmody on alum/fan outreach. Few coaches seem to like to press the flesh with fans other than Milan. For Nelson's sake, hopefully he's done more with the administration than what little he's done with the fans and some others or bbc will be sorely disappointed if he has another poor winning record this season and he gets axed. I've said before, it's hard to fire someone even if incompetent, if you really like them. Yeah, it can and must be done sometimes but if it's an on-the-fence decision, ties goes to the guy you like.
Unlike others, I don't think him having another year on his contract that has to get eaten is going to be a deciding factor on keeping him. If he doesn't produce, and that means winning more than 8 games (6 D-1 games), I believe we'll see him in our rearview mirror.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 28, 2021 14:54:08 GMT -5
I second your comment about Milan's outreach. Sean, perhaps second in his cameo appearance on the hill. Carmody didn't do much but his beloved wife did. Nelson, not close to even Carmody on alum/fan outreach. Few coaches seem to like to press the flesh with fans other than Milan. For Nelson's sake, hopefully he's done more with the administration than what little he's done with the fans and some others or bbc will be sorely disappointed if he has another poor winning record this season and he gets axed. I've said before, it's hard to fire someone even if incompetent, if you really like them. Yeah, it can and must be done sometimes but if it's an on-the-fence decision, ties goes to the guy you like. Unlike others, I don't think him having another year on his contract that has to get eaten is going to be a deciding factor on keeping him. If he doesn't produce, and that means winning more than 8 games (6 D-1 games), I believe we'll see him in our rearview mirror. Do we know that Nelson isn't giving Caro personal Zoom calls after practices and games?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 28, 2021 16:57:24 GMT -5
I second your comment about Milan's outreach. Sean, perhaps second in his cameo appearance on the hill. Carmody didn't do much but his beloved wife did. Nelson, not close to even Carmody on alum/fan outreach. Few coaches seem to like to press the flesh with fans other than Milan. For Nelson's sake, hopefully he's done more with the administration than what little he's done with the fans and some others or bbc will be sorely disappointed if he has another poor winning record this season and he gets axed. I've said before, it's hard to fire someone even if incompetent, if you really like them. Yeah, it can and must be done sometimes but if it's an on-the-fence decision, ties goes to the guy you like. Unlike others, I don't think him having another year on his contract that has to get eaten is going to be a deciding factor on keeping him. If he doesn't produce, and that means winning more than 8 games (6 D-1 games), I believe we'll see him in our rearview mirror. Do we know that Nelson isn't giving Caro personal Zoom calls after practices and games? Calls?---I assumed they lived together
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 28, 2021 17:09:23 GMT -5
I really don't want to pile on but my observation is the players are working hard and probably more athletic than most of Carmody's troops (I think Jehyve was at least, if not more athletic and probably a few others without going down the roster). One of the criticisms of Milan was he brought in athletes but not necessarily good basketball players. Very subjective observation but believe Nelson is following in that vein. I just don't see the consistent shooters which it seems almost every other team has one or more who can get you back in the game with long-range 3s. Martindale and Luc are decent but inconsistent. And hitting open 3s, which we can't seem to do, opens up the inside game that Gates and Louth could capitalize on.
Austin may be that consistent outside shooter but haven't seen enough of him and Brett doesn't seem to be inclined to give him much floor time (yet).
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 28, 2021 17:38:53 GMT -5
Loved MB as a person and I think his players loved him too. Didn’t think he was a great game coach. He was over .500 in PL play for his time at HC. Imagine what we wouldn’t give to be over .500 in PL play now. Many do not realize, that MB and his staff, were attempting to improve their ability to coach in game. I remember walking into the coaches suite of offices after a game in the Hart Center, and there was an older gentleman who I did not recognize. I introduced myself, he in turn did also. I have forgotten his name, but what I do remember he said that he was a “Coaching Consultant”. On the whiteboard in the office, were a number of play diagrams and diagnostic visible. So I saw visible proof, with my own eyes, that his staff was not just not rolling it out. Of course, some would say, “I should not believe my lye in eyes” 😊
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