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Post by spenser on Dec 12, 2021 19:37:14 GMT -5
I took his comments as calling out BN (kicking him when he's down?) where he might not call out Coach Chesney, and not calling out HC but instead painting the college and students as victims of the coach's big time approach. I hope PVR puts a stop to this type of excess. Why would the head coach want to spend a night in a motel away from his wife and son and force the assistant coaches, DOBO, etc. to be away from their families to take a two hour bus ride a day early? If you can't get your coaching done in the regular allotment of time you are disorganized. And going down a day early really helped… People may not like it but the guy’s in his lane.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 12, 2021 20:59:06 GMT -5
I have no issues with Matheson or O'Donnell expressing their opinions. Whether you like them or not, it's a free country. Rougeau cannot and should not shut them up. They are tenured to my understanding. And, I'm pretty sure president Rougeau would have no interest in stifling either even if he disagreed. Most businesses don’t let their employees air their grievances about their fellow employees on social media, free country or not. I will admit that would be highly entertaining at some businesses but probably not good for the business.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 12, 2021 21:19:34 GMT -5
To paraphrase the late, great Fr. Brooks, Holy Cross is not only not in the entertainment business, it’s not in “business.”
The academic world is a bit different than the world you or I work(ed) in. Agree if this was an insurance company, you would probably keep your yap shut. Years ago, one of my insurer claims attorneys was very outspoken about his objection to New York State law that motorcyclists had to wear helmets and participated in protests and was interviewed on TV wearing “helmet law sucks” on his helmet while interviewed. TPTB went ballistic as it was directly opposite the company’s position. However, he retained his job but didn’t see his career advance. He left a couple of years later on his own.
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Post by Ray on Dec 12, 2021 21:19:59 GMT -5
I was hoping this thread was going to be about the gap in our 2-pt shooting percentage vs. our opponents.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 12, 2021 21:23:54 GMT -5
One of the many reasons not to have a Twitter or Facebook account.
To ensure employment longevity, and sanity, don’t tweet, or post, especially when one is upset or angry. Best to use discretion.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2021 21:29:19 GMT -5
I had Matheson as a professor at Holy Cross. Very reasonable guy.
As for the overnight, I don't understand it for a 7pm weeknight game. Players should've gone to AM classes, had a 12pm team lunch (or lunch on bus), hit the road by 1, walkthrough at the campus gym or HY around 315. Plenty of time for team to get legs under them and go over last minute scouting report/matchups/game plan after a 1h 45m bus trip.
Saturday (or day w no classes) daytime tip-off different story. Totally acceptably to schedule an overnight stay for a game 2 hours away. Football games at Yale are overnights.
A little weird that Nelson was called out like this over Twitter by a fellow Holy Cross employee but these are the times in which we live.
Some background on Matheson => he's a tenured member of the Economics dept. and also an MLS soccer ref. He also has for years taught the 200-level Economics of Sports course at Holy Cross. It was actually more of a sports law course than an economics course.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 12, 2021 21:35:51 GMT -5
Of the 14 members of the team, plus a several team managers, how many are enrolled in his class?.....
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2021 21:41:53 GMT -5
Of the 14 members of the team, plus a several team managers, how many are enrolled in his class?..... Maybe a couple upperclassmen at most, if theyre econ majors or minors. Its a 200 level class, so no freshmen. And the Econ Sports class is obviously a popular pick so unless you're a an ECON major, it would be tough to get into.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 12, 2021 21:49:41 GMT -5
"... a talking to..." ? Huh?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 12, 2021 21:52:35 GMT -5
Nelson is under intense pressure to win, and traveling two hours to a game does not put his team in the best position to win — having to eat pregame meal in Kimball, then load up the bus, sit for 2+ hours, and get to the arena approx 2 hours early to avoid CT traffic.
If I’m reading the schedule correctly, this was the second missed MWF class this semester. A total nothing burger.
Matheson sounds like a teenage girl tweeting something out like this. Maybe he’s still recovering from how successful Year 1 at Polar Park was.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 12, 2021 21:55:21 GMT -5
I had Matheson as a professor at Holy Cross. Very reasonable guy. As for the overnight, I don't understand it for a 7pm weeknight game. Players should've gone to AM classes, had a 12pm team lunch (or lunch on bus), hit the road by 1, walkthrough at the campus gym or HY around 315. Plenty of time for team to get legs under them and go over last minute scouting report/matchups/game plan after a 1h 45m bus trip. And then what, sit in the locker room for two hours? Sit on the bus for two hours?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2021 22:00:58 GMT -5
I had Matheson as a professor at Holy Cross. Very reasonable guy. As for the overnight, I don't understand it for a 7pm weeknight game. Players should've gone to AM classes, had a 12pm team lunch (or lunch on bus), hit the road by 1, walkthrough at the campus gym or HY around 315. Plenty of time for team to get legs under them and go over last minute scouting report/matchups/game plan after a 1h 45m bus trip. And then what, sit in the locker room for two hours? Sit on the bus for two hours? Im sure there's a conference room somewhere at HY where they could have their final team meetings. Or maybe just relax, chat with teammates, study, put headphones on and get ready for the game? What were they doing in Bridgeport all day -- watching soap operas in their hotel rooms? Im sure checkout was 11am. Then what?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 12, 2021 22:16:26 GMT -5
Squad could have stayed at a hotel across the street from the WB Arena for a week and Nelson still wasn't winning the game. But go ahead Brett, pork the aspect of the student's experience where they get good instruction in an attempt to cover your aspect where they don't.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 12, 2021 22:22:53 GMT -5
Since we're having so much fun on this topic, let me throw out a scenario for your entertainment.
What if the student(s) in Matheson's class told Nelson, "Coach, I have a class and it's the final week of this class and I need to attend it and can't travel until game day because I'm afraid it will affect my grade. I hope you understand that I'm putting my academics first." What/how does Nelson respond?
Some choices: A) Oh, I fully understand. Let's see if we can arrange alternative travel arrangements for you as we would hate to lose you but your grades come first (since you've been sitting in the front of the class and paying focused attention there as I told you that you should).
B) OK, I understand and respect your priorities, so we'll just have to get by without you playing in this game.
C) Uhh, you realize that you are on a full scholarship, right? You'll be on the bus with the rest of the team when it leaves for Bridgeport. Talk to your professor and work out something. It's not my problem.
D) Have you considered the transfer portal?
E) Other _________________________________________________________
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 12, 2021 22:33:34 GMT -5
How about F) Let’s arrange a zoom or FaceTime session for the class. I will talk to the Prof and the Dean to get the approvals, and the schedule in Bridgeport will be arranged so the class will not be missed.
Since all classes last year had a zoom option, what is the big deal having a session with the two or three students sitting in their respective hotel rooms.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2021 23:20:55 GMT -5
The good professor might be expressing his dismay that HC has bumbled it's way into the worst of both worlds: big time trappings and expenses to the ridiculous extent of two days to drive an hour and forty five minutes with absolutely none of the benefits associated with big time basketball.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 12, 2021 23:22:59 GMT -5
I took his comments as calling out BN (kicking him when he's down?) where he might not call out Coach Chesney, and not calling out HC but instead painting the college and students as victims of the coach's big time approach. I hope PVR puts a stop to this type of excess. Why would the head coach want to spend a night in a motel away from his wife and son and force the assistant coaches, DOBO, etc. to be away from their families to take a two hour bus ride a day early? If you can't get your coaching done in the regular allotment of time you are disorganized. This is essentially what coaches sign up for. D1 basketball teams travel to road games the night before, even those two hours from campus. Not going would be the exception rather than the rule. I think we probably should have made an exception if kids are missing classes in the last week of a semester but coaches are away from their families before every road game barring an exception. Many PL schools never travel the night before for games that are two hours away. Is that a common practice for HC?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2021 23:31:08 GMT -5
This is essentially what coaches sign up for. D1 basketball teams travel to road games the night before, even those two hours from campus. Not going would be the exception rather than the rule. I think we probably should have made an exception if kids are missing classes in the last week of a semester but coaches are away from their families before every road game barring an exception. Many PL schools never travel the night before for games that are two hours away. Is that a common practice for HC? I hope not as it strikes me as delusions of grandeur and nullifies our geographic advantage of being within a couple of hours of many D-1 schools. HC has many disadvantages such as having only a little more than 100 students per varsity sport and having to compete with schools like BU which has tens of thousands of student tuition and fees to spread the cost of fewer sports over. Why squander our few natural advantages?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2021 23:35:17 GMT -5
Maybe he’s still recovering from how successful Year 1 at Polar Park was. You nailed it with this one. Literally spit up my taco laughing. You obviously took the class!
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Post by hc87 on Dec 12, 2021 23:57:14 GMT -5
Ed O'Donnell '86 is a great guy and a very loyal Crusader....he's a friend and a tremendous professor....why tenure exists...and why politics should not exist on this board.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 13, 2021 3:30:02 GMT -5
Victor should know better...this is common practice in D-1 athletics
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 13, 2021 3:31:26 GMT -5
Knew I've heard of this guy. Think I watched a videoconference with him once. He's the alleged sports gambling expert and think he's the guy they trot out that says places like Polar Park don't help the local economy - and bigger stadiums and arenas don't either. Or am I mixing him up with someone else? He is a terrible D1 soccer ref who lost control of the UVM and UNH regular season game.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 13, 2021 5:45:53 GMT -5
He speaks well of you.😂
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Post by hcpride on Dec 13, 2021 7:29:21 GMT -5
Profs complaining about college athletics interfering with the classroom, assignments, exams, etc is a well-established tradition.
Perhaps he already made the point to the coach (on this particular travel or otherwise) and didn’t like the answer. I’d like to think he’d do that first…and that might account for the snarky tone.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 13, 2021 7:38:08 GMT -5
Upon a second reading of the tweet, I can interpret it as the professor posting this after he spoke to the coach but before the team actually left.
Note the present perfect tense.
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