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Post by joe on Dec 13, 2021 8:07:43 GMT -5
Regardless of the backstory, all this tweet did was create more negative energy for the team and the college, no matter which side you’re on.
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Post by ts1970 on Dec 13, 2021 8:10:37 GMT -5
It was not clear to me if any of the team members were going to be missing THIS professor’s class.
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Post by alum on Dec 13, 2021 8:25:09 GMT -5
He has 795 followers on Twitter. I don't think that we need to worry about any prospective students being offended by this tweet. FWIW, I would guess he is the most quoted member of the HC faculty in the popular press given his prominence in the field of sports economics.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 13, 2021 9:18:59 GMT -5
This is a squall inside a tempest inside a teapot. Yawn.
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Post by hceconhist on Dec 13, 2021 10:18:53 GMT -5
Nelson is under intense pressure to win, and traveling two hours to a game does not put his team in the best position to win — having to eat pregame meal in Kimball, then load up the bus, sit for 2+ hours, and get to the arena approx 2 hours early to avoid CT traffic. If I’m reading the schedule correctly, this was the second missed MWF class this semester. A total nothing burger. Matheson sounds like a teenage girl tweeting something out like this. Maybe he’s still recovering from how successful Year 1 at Polar Park was. The point is that they missed instruction during the last week of class. That's different. Driving a couple of hours for a game is not uncommon. Also, Polar Park can sell out for three consecutive years, and that still would not prove him wrong. The argument, which is a clear consensus across the econ profession, is that the public benefits do not even begin to equal the amount of public money spent on those stadiums.
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Post by gks on Dec 13, 2021 10:46:38 GMT -5
This professor should be fired. This is ridiculous.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 13, 2021 11:02:17 GMT -5
One wonders: does the professor have one or more players in his class and thus learned about the plans from one of them, or does he monitor the travel schedules of all the teams so he can discover any potential transgressions of his guidelines?
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Post by gks on Dec 13, 2021 11:10:45 GMT -5
One wonders: does the professor have one or more players in his class and thus learned about the plans from one of them, or does he monitor the travel schedules of all the teams so he can discover any potential transgressions of his guidelines? Every school has one of these anti-athletics morons. These players, whether they win or not, bust their asses to represent the college and for this guy to put this out is pathetic.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 13, 2021 11:26:36 GMT -5
"This professor should be fired."
What should he be fired for? Having an opinion that you don't like? "Anti-athletic moron"? I don't know the professor but I'll defend his right to his opinion, which BTW, is not a crazy one. There will always be discussions at school's like HC about the relative importance of athletics vis a vis academics. It's good to have this discussion.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 13, 2021 11:30:56 GMT -5
One wonders: does the professor have one or more players in his class and thus learned about the plans from one of them, or does he monitor the travel schedules of all the teams so he can discover any potential transgressions of his guidelines? I had a professor try to not let the starting womens hockey goalie miss a once a week class for a "home" game and that did not turn out well as the Dean of that department ended up having to get involved...
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Post by gks on Dec 13, 2021 11:43:55 GMT -5
"This professor should be fired." What should he be fired for? Having an opinion that you don't like? "Anti-athletic moron"? I don't know the professor but I'll defend his right to his opinion, which BTW, is not a crazy one. There will always be discussions at school's like HC about the relative importance of athletics vis a vis academics. It's good to have this discussion. I don't know where you work but I invite you to post something disparaging your employer on social media....see what their reaction is. Holy Cross offers DIVISION 1 college athletics and has for the entirety of it's existence. If you don't like it Professor...go teach at a school where athletics doesn't exist. How would this professor feel if Brett Nelson posted a shot at him for giving his players a hard time for traveling to a game? Everyone can have their own opinion but this professor should be fired.
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Post by hceconhist on Dec 13, 2021 11:45:04 GMT -5
One wonders: does the professor have one or more players in his class and thus learned about the plans from one of them, or does he monitor the travel schedules of all the teams so he can discover any potential transgressions of his guidelines? It's worth noting that another HC professor responded that she knew of at least one player who was not happy with the decision. From my time at HC, I know that these econ professors are relatively close. Even if Matheson didn't have an effected student, he probably heard of one and is more or less speaking for other professors too - given this tenure and relative notoriety.
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Post by hceconhist on Dec 13, 2021 11:50:08 GMT -5
"This professor should be fired." What should he be fired for? Having an opinion that you don't like? "Anti-athletic moron"? I don't know the professor but I'll defend his right to his opinion, which BTW, is not a crazy one. There will always be discussions at school's like HC about the relative importance of athletics vis a vis academics. It's good to have this discussion. I don't know where you work but I invite you to post something disparaging your employer on social media....see what their reaction is. Holy Cross offers DIVISION 1 college athletics and has for the entirety of it's existence. If you don't like it Professor...go teach at a school where athletics doesn't exist. How would this professor feel if Brett Nelson posted a shot at him for giving his players a hard time for traveling to a game? Everyone can have their own opinion but this professor should be fired. HC is a DI school that, in large part, founded the PL to keep academics first. More to the point, if you read Fr K's book, this tension between professors and coaches has existed since HC began sponsoring varsity sports.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 13, 2021 11:53:06 GMT -5
Knowing nothing about the professor, or any possible back story, to me it seems rather unprofessional at best. But then again, I pretty much have a similar reaction to many other social media posts (not from this board of course) . Wonder what Kit Hughes thinks of this.
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Post by joe on Dec 13, 2021 12:13:07 GMT -5
Everyone has a right to their opinion. My opinion is that a tweet like this is immature and cowardly. Does he expect Coach Nelson to lower himself and engage in a Twitter war? The coach is the poster’s colleague at HC and he’s having a hard enough time as it is. This is something that should be worked out internally not just thrown up on the internet. Very childish to kick a man when he’s already down over a single class absence. The poster should really retract the tweet and redirect his complaint through the more professional avenues.
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Post by alum on Dec 13, 2021 12:15:14 GMT -5
"This professor should be fired." What should he be fired for? Having an opinion that you don't like? "Anti-athletic moron"? I don't know the professor but I'll defend his right to his opinion, which BTW, is not a crazy one. There will always be discussions at school's like HC about the relative importance of athletics vis a vis academics. It's good to have this discussion. I don't know where you work but I invite you to post something disparaging your employer on social media....see what their reaction is. Holy Cross offers DIVISION 1 college athletics and has for the entirety of it's existence. If you don't like it Professor...go teach at a school where athletics doesn't exist. How would this professor feel if Brett Nelson posted a shot at him for giving his players a hard time for traveling to a game? Everyone can have their own opinion but this professor should be fired. He can't be fired. He has tenure.
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Post by trimster on Dec 13, 2021 12:15:56 GMT -5
One wonders: does the professor have one or more players in his class and thus learned about the plans from one of them, or does he monitor the travel schedules of all the teams so he can discover any potential transgressions of his guidelines? Every school has one of these anti-athletics morons. These players, whether they win or not, bust their asses to represent the college and for this guy to put this out is pathetic. Some have many. I wonder where HC falls on the spectrum of professors who aren't in favor of a D1 scholarship athletic program.
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Post by lou on Dec 13, 2021 12:22:43 GMT -5
Let's get real! No fancy hotels for Hop's teams. Grilled chicken, dry toast, water, then get on the bus and open a book
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2021 12:46:24 GMT -5
The recent posts have lowered my opinion of the Professor choosing twitter to air this opinion, even though I agree with the principle. I also now wonder how much class time or office availability or time just "being present" for his students at a high academic liberal arts school he takes to travel out of state to ref (bungle?) a game between UVM and UNH?
Regarding the principle, I'll paraphrase a line from a recent post: I like a coach who can take his guys who have attended all their classes and can beat your guys who have been resting in a motel all day.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2021 12:48:29 GMT -5
Let's get real! No fancy hotels for Hop's teams. Grilled chicken, dry toast, water, then get on the bus and open a book I think Hop Riopel's teams stayed in boarding houses.😊
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 13, 2021 12:54:08 GMT -5
Nelson is under intense pressure to win, and traveling two hours to a game does not put his team in the best position to win — having to eat pregame meal in Kimball, then load up the bus, sit for 2+ hours, and get to the arena approx 2 hours early to avoid CT traffic. If I’m reading the schedule correctly, this was the second missed MWF class this semester. A total nothing burger. Matheson sounds like a teenage girl tweeting something out like this. Maybe he’s still recovering from how successful Year 1 at Polar Park was. The point is that they missed instruction during the last week of class. That's different. Driving a couple of hours for a game is not uncommon. Also, Polar Park can sell out for three consecutive years, and that still would not prove him wrong. The argument, which is a clear consensus across the econ profession, is that the public benefits do not even begin to equal the amount of public money spent on those stadiums. Professor -- You clearly are completely disconnected from what it's like to be a D1 athlete, but I would argue that the players were better off having a full day for school work/studying in the hotel on Wednesday, rather than basically having to end their day at Noon to be able to catch a bus to Fairfield, then not get back to campus until close to midnight. The whole world has basically been working and learning remotely for the past 20 months, I think these professors could have figured out how to pull any team members in for critical class topics that may have been occurring last Wednesday. Re: Polar Park, it's great that the econ profession has consensus on the topic, but that is a profession of people who don't actually make decisions about anything other than what to have for lunch. If cities like Worcester sat around until there was consensus from college professors on every topic, nothing would ever be accomplished.
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Post by hceconhist on Dec 13, 2021 13:17:38 GMT -5
The point is that they missed instruction during the last week of class. That's different. Driving a couple of hours for a game is not uncommon. Also, Polar Park can sell out for three consecutive years, and that still would not prove him wrong. The argument, which is a clear consensus across the econ profession, is that the public benefits do not even begin to equal the amount of public money spent on those stadiums. Professor -- You clearly are completely disconnected from what it's like to be a D1 athlete, but I would argue that the players were better off having a full day for school work/studying in the hotel on Wednesday, rather than basically having to end their day at Noon to be able to catch a bus to Fairfield, then not get back to campus until close to midnight. The whole world has basically been working and learning remotely for the past 20 months, I think these professors could have figured out how to pull any team members in for critical class topics that may have been occurring last Wednesday. Re: Polar Park, it's great that the econ profession has consensus on the topic, but that is a profession of people who don't actually make decisions about anything other than what to have for lunch. If cities like Worcester sat around until there was consensus from college professors on every topic, nothing would ever be accomplished. Don't flatter me; I certainly do not have a PhD in economics. Regarding Polar Park, you didn't address my rebuttal.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 13, 2021 13:27:41 GMT -5
This is pretty simple and we can put this debate to bed by answering this question: Did Willard, Kearney, and Brown go down the night before or day of game?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2021 14:56:09 GMT -5
This is pretty simple and we can put this debate to bed by answering this question: Did Willard, Kearney, and Brown go down the night before or day of game? I don't know but just thinking about what a sweet gig that assignment is for the bus driver. He/she must get paid for two days, food and lodging.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Dec 13, 2021 15:10:50 GMT -5
Years ago, in the early years of the PL with GB as the head coach, I attended a game at the RAC. Shortly after the start of the 2nd half, Ted Bettencourt and a walk-on player emerged from the locker room with their uniforms on and sat on the HC bench. I was curious as to why the late arrival of Teddy, who had been a starter that season. I forget what the final score was but HC lost pretty handily to the Scarlet Knights, then members of the A-10 I think. On the drive home, I listened to the post-game show on the radio (710 am out of NYC). The RU announcers said Ted had stayed behind in Worcester to take a mid-term exam, and the two players' drive to Piscataway was delayed by heavy traffic on I-95 and the GWB. From their tone, the radio guys were surprised that a student-athlete would have to deal such an issue. Anyone else recall this incident and if GB or perhaps Ron Perry Sr. commented about it?
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