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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 11:24:34 GMT -5
I wonder if others grew up in a Catholic household where the adults would use religious profanity (GD it!, JC!, for C's sake!) but profanity involving bodily functions (such as the F and S words) were never heard?
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 15, 2021 11:39:19 GMT -5
Crossports also happens to edit out many curse words automatically, so it's a way of keeping those who are fond of the more-colorful language like yours truly in check.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 11:46:11 GMT -5
Crossports also happens to edit out many curse words automatically, so it's a way of keeping those who are fond of the more-colorful language like yours truly in check. Interesting. I always self checked myself so I didn't realize that about the editing. I assumed the other posters were all choir boys.😊
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Post by Tom on Dec 15, 2021 12:25:42 GMT -5
And if it’s the language that I also find offensive, then you better kick the majority of college and high school students out of school. Our public language has deteriorated over the decades but that’s how it is. In terms of the language, I do not find it offensive, but I'm kind of hard to offend. However, I think it inappropriate in this situation - I'm old enough that I think the written communication should be more formal than spoken communication - I think you need to consider your audience. I could care less if a college student is dropping the F-bomb hanging with his buddies in the dorm., I've been known to do it myself. Same student might want to refrain when giving the valedictorian address - I don't care if a professor has political opinion. I don't care if he or she makes that opinion public. I do not think a professor should ram his or her political opinions down students' throats. I do not think opinions should be made public in a way that imply the professor is speaking for the college. I'm glad the tweet in question is from Ed O'Donnell - historian at large, and not Ed O'Donnell, Holy Cross History Professor - I might be naive in this era of over the top adversarial discourse, but I still hope that most professors don't care what you write when grading as long as it is reasonably and rationally defended
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 15, 2021 12:30:42 GMT -5
Cripes (that’s Irish for the 2nd person of the Blessed Trinity as my grandfather used to say it)! I hate it when I agree with Tom! 🤬
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 15, 2021 12:44:14 GMT -5
I wonder if others grew up in a Catholic household where the adults would use religious profanity (GD it!, JC!, for C's sake!) but profanity involving bodily functions (such as the F and S words) were never heard? My dad was in the Navy and later, a Teamster. My mom grew up in the Bronx. I have heard every form of cursing known to man.
Growing up, I did learn that Jesus' middle initial was "H."
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 15, 2021 12:46:26 GMT -5
"H" as in Hallmark because his Dad chose to "send the very best."
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 12:56:36 GMT -5
And if it’s the language that I also find offensive, then you better kick the majority of college and high school students out of school. Our public language has deteriorated over the decades but that’s how it is. In terms of the language, I do not find it offensive, but I'm kind of hard to offend. However, I think it inappropriate in this situation - I'm old enough that I think the written communication should be more formal than spoken communication - I think you need to consider your audience. I could care less if a college student is dropping the F-bomb hanging with his buddies in the dorm., I've been known to do it myself. Same student might want to refrain when giving the valedictorian address - I don't care if a professor has political opinion. I don't care if he or she makes that opinion public. I do not think a professor should ram his or her political opinions down students' throats. I do not think opinions should be made public in a way that imply the professor is speaking for the college. I'm glad the tweet in question is from Ed O'Donnell - historian at large, and not Ed O'Donnell, Holy Cross History Professor - I might be naive in this era of over the top adversarial discourse, but I still hope that most professors don't care what you write when grading as long as it is reasonably and rationally defended Two explanations that have some but only partial merit to me are: I was only re-tweeting, I don't take responsibility for every (any) thing in the original tweet. I didn't use my employer's name on this site so I have no connection and no responsibility to them. But if he wasn't an HC professor his tweet wouldn't have landed on Crossports. An HC professor writing a guest column in the T&G, Globe, Times, Post, etc. is different because it would be opinionated but intellectually and academically defensible to meet the publication's standards and probably a plus for HC no matter what the core opinion is.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 15, 2021 13:12:12 GMT -5
I thought about the re-tweet "defense," but it may be my ignorance of Twitter but don't see that this was a re-tweet.
I've heard of someone of some stature defending his factually false tweets by saying that all he was doing was re-tweeting and not taking any responsibility for the untruth(s) expressed.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 15, 2021 13:26:26 GMT -5
I thought about the re-tweet "defense," but it may be my ignorance of Twitter but don't see that this was a re-tweet. I've heard of someone of some stature defending his factually false tweets by saying that all he was doing was re-tweeting and not taking any responsibility for the untruth(s) expressed. Many journalists and other commentators on Twitter will put in their bio/blurb on their profile page something along the lines of: "Retweets are not an endorsement." Kind of like, increasing visibility of something outrageous or inflammatory instead of giving it a thumbs-up or like.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2021 13:39:00 GMT -5
Then there is a long list of television networks that rebroadcast unsubstantiated stories, "increasing visibility of something outrageous or inflammatory", because those stories support their prevailing narrative. I think it is better to be factual
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 15, 2021 13:46:53 GMT -5
Then there is a long list of television networks that rebroadcast unsubstantiated stories, "increasing visibility of something outrageous or inflammatory", because those stories support their prevailing narrative. I think it is better to be factual I agree with you to an extent there. I believe the Twitter angle for retweets is like... if there is a mass shooting or video about an assault or something, the account is not trying to approve of the actions/outcome by retweeting the event.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 14:10:08 GMT -5
I thought about the re-tweet "defense," but it may be my ignorance of Twitter but don't see that this was a re-tweet. I've heard of someone of some stature defending his factually false tweets by saying that all he was doing was re-tweeting and not taking any responsibility for the untruth(s) expressed. And his son of the same name uses that excuse after the missile has landed and done it's damage.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 15, 2021 14:31:59 GMT -5
I wonder if others grew up in a Catholic household where the adults would use religious profanity (GD it!, JC!, for C's sake!) but profanity involving bodily functions (such as the F and S words) were never heard? My dad was in the Navy and later, a Teamster. My mom grew up in the Bronx. I have heard every form of cursing known to man.
Growing up, I did learn that Jesus' middle initial was "H."
My father thought it would be good for me to start caddying in our leafy suburb when I was ten. It ended up I became the regular caddy for some bookies from Boston and a number of professional athletes. I got a master class in profanity. Later, I was a Teamster (Local 42), did some time in the merchant marine, worked on a tug boat, and worked in a few restaurant kitchens and factories. I have an encyclopedic knowledge of profane and vulgar expressions.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 15, 2021 14:51:13 GMT -5
My dad was in the Navy and later, a Teamster. My mom grew up in the Bronx. I have heard every form of cursing known to man.
Growing up, I did learn that Jesus' middle initial was "H."
My father thought it would be good for me to start caddying in our leafy suburb when I was ten. It ended up I became the regular caddy for some bookies from Boston and a number of professional athletes. I got a master class in profanity. Later, I was a Teamster (Local 42), did some time in the merchant marine, worked on a tug boat, and worked in a few restaurant kitchens and factories. I have an encyclopedic knowledge of profane and vulgar expressions. My dad was Local 456. Sounds like between the food, boats, golf, and colorful language that you'd get along.
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Post by dadominate on Dec 15, 2021 14:56:11 GMT -5
it's divisive and bad for our brand for our faculty to tweet in this manner.
and it's not a political thing. i would feel the same way if a professor had a profane meme pointing out all of the damage done to predominantly black communities in the name of "social justice" by many of the BLM rioters and looters (which is what many of them were, not peaceful protests or "fiery but peaceful protests") with an expletive-laden tweet. our faculty should know better than to stoop to this level as we turn off 50% of the country whenever they take a strong public stand period, let alone one that is profane.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2021 15:15:47 GMT -5
There is a time and place for profanity--think about General Patton. Here's an extract from "The Unknown Patton" by Charles M Province
"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. … As for the types of comments I make, sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence."
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 15:28:36 GMT -5
My father served under (way under) Patton and heard him address the troops near the battlefield and would mimic Patton's arm movements (a cross between an Olympic speed walker and a boxer) when he recreated the scene.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 15, 2021 15:46:23 GMT -5
As an English major at HC I can recall many works that were full of vulgarity, sexual innuendo, lewdness, and profanity (Shakespeare, Chaucer, etc.).
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