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Post by dadominate on Dec 13, 2021 16:02:22 GMT -5
Everyone has a right to their opinion. My opinion is that a tweet like this is immature and cowardly. Does he expect Coach Nelson to lower himself and engage in a Twitter war? The coach is the poster’s colleague at HC and he’s having a hard enough time as it is. This is something that should be worked out internally not just thrown up on the internet. Very childish to kick a man when he’s already down over a single class absence. The poster should really retract the tweet and redirect his complaint through the more professional avenues. agree 100% with joe's take regarding the cowardice of this professor's tweet. he can say what he wants in a free country, but this strikes me as another keyboard warrior who talks tough on twitter and would probably cower away if he saw nelson in person. i don't agree with nelson's decision here, but it's easy to pile on someone who is struggling who is unlikely to engage in a twitter war as it will add further embarrassment to a college that has had more than its fair share in recent years. my question for the esteemed professor is as follows... what did you think about the fact that classes were cancelled for the ***ENTIRE STUDENT BODY*** a few years ago for whatever the heck that sjw fest was featuring layer upon layer of leftist propaganda after a mere allegation (never substantiated) of "a hate crime"?!? did you tweet your disapproval of those missed classes? if you had nothing to say about how that affected class time, education, intended use of tuition dollars, etc. then YOU ARE AN INCONSISTENT COWARD for kicking a man when he is down and not applying the same principles to something that might actually affect your livelihood if you spoke out about it.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 13, 2021 16:15:06 GMT -5
Years ago, in the early years of the PL with GB as the head coach, I attended a game at the RAC. Shortly after the start of the 2nd half, Ted Bettencourt and a walk-on player emerged from the locker room with their uniforms on and sat on the HC bench. I was curious as to why the late arrival of Teddy, who had been a starter that season. I forget what the final score was but HC lost pretty handily to the Scarlet Knights, then members of the A-10 I think. On the drive home, I listened to the post-game show on the radio (710 am out of NYC). The RU announcers said Ted had stayed behind in Worcester to take a mid-term exam, and the two players' drive to Piscataway was delayed by heavy traffic on I-95 and the GWB. From their tone, the radio guys were surprised that a student-athlete would have to deal such an issue. Anyone else recall this incident and if GB or perhaps Ron Perry Sr. commented about it? I do vaguely remember a story along those lines, princeton.....
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Post by sader81 on Dec 13, 2021 16:18:34 GMT -5
I recall one law school class that met three times a week for a whole year - that totals 90 classes. When I sat down to study for the final, I counted 15 days that I attended the 8 am class. I did mange a B+ Going to class is highly overrated!
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 13, 2021 16:20:01 GMT -5
What the hey, I'll throw my two cents in. 1. Matheson has a right to post whatever he wants 2. That said, I think a lot of college professors, including some at Holy Cross, don't think of athletic coaches as "colleagues." 3. The professor, if he felt he needed to post about this subject should have showed a little of his education by stating what he wanted to say in a more professional manner without literary sniffing at the team and coach. 4. TPTB aren't going to fire him because a) they might agree and b) even if they don't, he's tenured and this is not one of those exception to tenure where he could be fired 5. Professor: smarten up and get off Twitter. That should be reserved for people like breezy so he can inform the rest of us "Twitterless" as to the latest recruits' status. 6. Any defense you might think I am making for Matheson goes out the window if he was one of those dopey faculty members that pressed to remove the Crusader mascot. All of them should be fired!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 13, 2021 16:25:51 GMT -5
Everyone has a right to their opinion. My opinion is that a tweet like this is immature and cowardly. Does he expect Coach Nelson to lower himself and engage in a Twitter war? The coach is the poster’s colleague at HC and he’s having a hard enough time as it is. This is something that should be worked out internally not just thrown up on the internet. Very childish to kick a man when he’s already down over a single class absence. The poster should really retract the tweet and redirect his complaint through the more professional avenues. agree 100% with joe's take regarding the cowardice of this professor's tweet. he can say what he wants in a free country, but this strikes me as another keyboard warrior who talks tough on twitter and would probably cower away if he saw nelson in person. i don't agree with nelson's decision here, but it's easy to pile on someone who is struggling who is unlikely to engage in a twitter war as it will add further embarrassment to a college that has had more than its fair share in recent years. my question for the esteemed professor is as follows... what did you think about the fact that classes were cancelled for the ***ENTIRE STUDENT BODY*** a few years ago for whatever the heck that sjw fest was featuring layer upon layer of leftist propaganda after a mere allegation (never substantiated) of "a hate crime"?!? did you tweet your disapproval of those missed classes? if you had nothing to say about how that affected class time, education, intended use of tuition dollars, etc. then YOU ARE AN INCONSISTENT COWARD for kicking a man when he is down and not applying the same principles to something that might actually affect your livelihood if you spoke out about it.While I don't think the comparison to the "sjw stuff" is necessary to your argument, I do believe Matheson likely wouldn't have had the cojones to blast that tweet out if Ralph Willard was head coach and made this said travel decision. Nor would he likely do the same if Bob Chesney bused the 55-man up to Durham, NY on a Thursday night before a hypothetical Friday night game at UNH. This is a matter of a college professor making a bold statement, since because he's a college and professional soccer ref, he thinks he has the "clout" to put a young, thus far unsuccessful head coach on blast. And I like Matheson. You said it -- he's kicking a man when he's down. While I obviously have already posted that I find an overnight stay in Bridgeport excessive for a weeknight game (regardless of who the head coach is or how prominent of an HC program MBB is in the overall pecking order), I also think that a) Matheson was wrong for calling out a Holy Cross coach on the internet and b) the issue at hand here is being extremely over-scrutinized. Especially if, say this is only the second (and last) set of MWF classes missed due to travel this season.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2021 16:35:01 GMT -5
What the hey, I'll throw my two cents in. 1. Matheson has a right to post whatever he wants 2. That said, I think a lot of college professors, including some at Holy Cross, don't think of athletic coaches as "colleagues." 3. The professor, if he felt he needed to post about this subject should have showed a little of his education by stating what he wanted to say in a more professional manner without literary sniffing at the team and coach. 4. TPTB aren't going to fire him because a) they might agree and b) even if they don't, he's tenured and this is not one of those exception to tenure where he could be fired 5. Professor: smarten up and get off Twitter. That should be reserved for people like breezy so he can inform the rest of us "Twitterless" as to the latest recruits' status. 6. Any defense you might think I am making for Matheson goes out the window if he was one of those dopey faculty members that pressed to remove the Crusader mascot. All of them should be fired! The city of Worcester, totally unnecessarily, bought horses for mounted police in the downtown area. I haven't noticed if they still have them but would think they do. PVR's views on the Crusader are not on record as far as I know. When HC rented Polar Park from the city (although the money goes to the WooSox - typical sweet deal given to sports teams to come or stay in a city) I had a passing thought that PVR might agree to ask the city to throw in a white horse and police officer rider dressed in a suit of armor from the renown Higgins Armory collection, now preserved by the Worcester Art Museum, with purple HC shield to ride across the field before kick off to stir up the crowd and promote the many cultural attractions of Worcester. Like I said it was a passing thought. Doubt it would have survived the HC bureaucracy but perhaps would have been ok with the city, police union and Art Museum.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 13, 2021 16:51:42 GMT -5
Honestly the school should require the coaches to teach a 1 credit class for first or second semester students in the history,economics, and sociology of sports and college athletics. Give them a TA to review the work and And the full time faculty should have all members of the coaching staff give a 30 min lecture that connects some lesson in sports to the topic of the course.
Coach K does it at Duke and in his words it worked. Not sure about HC but might be worth it. It might be another way to increase coaches salaries and increase student acceptance and support
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 13, 2021 16:55:46 GMT -5
If Coach K does it I am immediately suspicious that there might be an ulterior motive .....
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 13, 2021 17:02:08 GMT -5
agree 100% with joe's take regarding the cowardice of this professor's tweet. he can say what he wants in a free country, but this strikes me as another keyboard warrior who talks tough on twitter and would probably cower away if he saw nelson in person. i don't agree with nelson's decision here, but it's easy to pile on someone who is struggling who is unlikely to engage in a twitter war as it will add further embarrassment to a college that has had more than its fair share in recent years. my question for the esteemed professor is as follows... what did you think about the fact that classes were cancelled for the ***ENTIRE STUDENT BODY*** a few years ago for whatever the heck that sjw fest was featuring layer upon layer of leftist propaganda after a mere allegation (never substantiated) of "a hate crime"?!? did you tweet your disapproval of those missed classes? if you had nothing to say about how that affected class time, education, intended use of tuition dollars, etc. then YOU ARE AN INCONSISTENT COWARD for kicking a man when he is down and not applying the same principles to something that might actually affect your livelihood if you spoke out about it.While I don't think the comparison to the "sjw stuff" is necessary to your argument, I do believe Matheson likely wouldn't have had the cojones to blast that tweet out if Ralph Willard was head coach and made this said travel decision. Nor would he likely do the same if Bob Chesney bused the 55-man up to Durham, NY on a Thursday night before a hypothetical Friday night game at UNH. This is a matter of a college professor making a bold statement, since because he's a college and professional soccer ref, he thinks he has the "clout" to put a young, thus far unsuccessful head coach on blast. And I like Matheson. You said it -- he's kicking a man when he's down. While I obviously have already posted that I find an overnight stay in Bridgeport excessive for a weeknight game (regardless of who the head coach is or how prominent of an HC program MBB is in the overall pecking order), I also think that a) Matheson was wrong for calling out a Holy Cross coach on the internet and b) the issue at hand here is being extremely over-scrutinized. Especially if, say this is only the second (and last) set of MWF classes missed due to travel this season. FORMER MLS ref news.holycross.edu/blog/2017/10/18/economics-professor-and-former-mls-referee-shares-analysis-on-shocking-u-s-world-cup-elimination/Maybe Matheson should have been in his office holding office hours instead of going to Brookline on a Tuesday and Chestnut Hill on a Thursday evening in the same week? caasports.com/boxscore.aspx?id=4Hr%2BRXeErGKhc8C5vPcDKCTLA%2FwDtjecZdfmIiMRryzK7VVS84nkByHH6LWZo2yct4zPUvgSQqa%2FrORgf5%2FzoB8Rd%2FKtBFHqG6vaZnvB7FqgjrAk7Q0ugHbrLUFLSzWCBozk2Vihys3nIEKtgvPTbw%3D%3D&path=msoctheacc.com/boxscore.aspx?id=7Gx48kkB20iPlOppZhxXHy%2F5Zy4VtNXkGzuHdKHXRgmFL0uKmfppbsHjEQDGFimU3cxHBcDCP1MBWczMnN3jOZlaMaQl%2BpwswEr4ZdRgGt%2BxyjOnuYfgg9bvxcn%2Bc97Y&path=wsoc
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Post by efg72 on Dec 13, 2021 17:02:28 GMT -5
Lol
I serve on an Advisory board with him -CEO Roundtable on Cancer- he is incredibly active and engaged across research triangle. He indicated his program has benefitted from the support of those student fans for many years
I am just suggesting we need to be creative if we want to turn this around and make it sustainable and must start now
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Post by bison137 on Dec 13, 2021 17:36:14 GMT -5
Knew I've heard of this guy. Think I watched a videoconference with him once. He's the alleged sports gambling expert and think he's the guy they trot out that says places like Polar Park don't help the local economy - and bigger stadiums and arenas don't either. Or am I mixing him up with someone else? He is a terrible D1 soccer ref who lost control of the UVM and UNH regular season game. in the soccer world, he is regarded as a very good ref. You don’t become a regular MLS ref without very high rankings. He also has earned fourth official roles for national team games in the past.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 13, 2021 17:47:38 GMT -5
Spot on bison
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Post by breezy on Dec 13, 2021 17:49:24 GMT -5
What the hey, I'll throw my two cents in. ... 5. Professor: smarten up and get off Twitter. That should be reserved for people like breezy so he can inform the rest of us "Twitterless" as to the latest recruits' status. Just to clarify, I am not registered on Twitter and cannot post there. I do searches on Twitter for terms such as "Holy Cross" and sometimes look at Twitter pages of Holy Cross coaches or potential Holy Cross recruits, looking for information that I can post on Crossports to keep our posters informed. All "Twitterless" persons can do that as well.
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Post by spenser on Dec 13, 2021 18:02:11 GMT -5
Just to give some historical perspective here, when I was a student there was a math prof named Vinnie McBrian who wanted to abolish athletics or go down to D3. It’s been more years than I care to remember so which one escapes me.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 13, 2021 18:04:00 GMT -5
My apologies for offending you, breezy, for accusing you of being a Twitterer. I should have known you were smarter than that.
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Post by breezy on Dec 13, 2021 18:09:50 GMT -5
No apology needed, my friend.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 13, 2021 18:26:51 GMT -5
Spenser, to jog your memory, here's a link to "The Crusader" January, 1968 on V.O. McBrien's open letter on sports that we needed to de-emphasize football and basketball:
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Post by efg72 on Dec 13, 2021 18:32:43 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, always in doubt, he was a pretty good teacher and gave more time to math majors
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Post by spenser on Dec 13, 2021 18:42:49 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, always in doubt, he was a pretty good teacher and gave more time to math majors Thanks for the link. And yes he was a very good teacher. Also a really nice guy.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 13, 2021 18:46:09 GMT -5
I had him for 3 classes and never thought he was against athletics just for education. He was fine with me on two occasions when I missed class to travel for two games my freshman year
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Post by spenser on Dec 13, 2021 18:52:59 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, always in doubt, he was a pretty good teacher and gave more time to math majors Thanks for the link. And yes he was a very good teacher. Also a very nice guy.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 13, 2021 18:59:28 GMT -5
He is a terrible D1 soccer ref who lost control of the UVM and UNH regular season game. in the soccer world, he is regarded as a very good ref. You don’t become a regular MLS ref without very high rankings. He also has earned fourth official roles for national team games in the past. When you see how he worked that UVM/UNH game, you question the MLS reffing standards. He isn't a MLS official anymore. He gave out six yellows and a red card (well the red card he missed live and decided to eject the kid based on the replay on the scoreboard). unhwildcats.com/sports/mens-soccer/stats/2021/vermont/boxscore/7271
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 13, 2021 19:17:20 GMT -5
in the soccer world, he is regarded as a very good ref. You don’t become a regular MLS ref without very high rankings. He also has earned fourth official roles for national team games in the past. When you see how he worked that UVM/UNH game, you question the MLS reffing standards. He isn't a MLS official anymore. He gave out six yellows and a red card (well the red card he missed live and decided to eject the kid based on the replay on the scoreboard). unhwildcats.com/sports/mens-soccer/stats/2021/vermont/boxscore/7271UVM/UNH is the northern NE equivalent of HC/BC (in the old days). The fact that he gave out 6Y and 1R means it, as expected, was a rough game. PS. I know nothing about him at all but do know quite a bit about soccer (football everywhere else).
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Post by bison137 on Dec 13, 2021 19:30:20 GMT -5
in the soccer world, he is regarded as a very good ref. You don’t become a regular MLS ref without very high rankings. He also has earned fourth official roles for national team games in the past. When you see how he worked that UVM/UNH game, you question the MLS reffing standards. He isn't a MLS official anymore. He gave out six yellows and a red card (well the red card he missed live and decided to eject the kid based on the replay on the scoreboard). unhwildcats.com/sports/mens-soccer/stats/2021/vermont/boxscore/7271Yes, but that was his own decision. He was still getting good MLS assignments until he opted to stop doing it. He gets good college assignments still. By the way, it sounds like you have misreported some of what happened in that game.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 13, 2021 20:23:17 GMT -5
Yes, but that was his own decision. He was still getting good MLS assignments until he opted to stop doing it. He gets good college assignments still. By the way, it sounds like you have misreported some of what happened in that game. Misreported? I didn't misreport anything. The red card was warranted but he didn't see it as play continued for 40-45 seconds. I was literally 20 feet away from the donkey kick to the groin. ;-) It is at the 25 second mark here as you can see it
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