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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 13, 2021 20:48:55 GMT -5
Maybe we should start a separate thread for Vermont-New Hampshire soccer discussion for all the posters interested in that subject
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 13, 2021 21:43:43 GMT -5
+1
I'd rather get kicked in the nuts by a mule than read about soccer.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2021 22:22:54 GMT -5
Honestly the school should require the coaches to teach a 1 credit class for first or second semester students in the history,economics, and sociology of sports and college athletics. Give them a TA to review the work and And the full time faculty should have all members of the coaching staff give a 30 min lecture that connects some lesson in sports to the topic of the course. Coach K does it at Duke and in his words it worked. Not sure about HC but might be worth it. It might be another way to increase coaches salaries and increase student acceptance and support There is a professor/lawyer at UNH who had a class for full credit on deflategate. Can't think of his name, perhaps B.Foley remembers him. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 13, 2021 22:34:59 GMT -5
Mike McCann
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 14, 2021 0:00:54 GMT -5
McCann wrote for Sports Illustrated in the past. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 14, 2021 7:15:21 GMT -5
Ed O'Donnell '86 is a great guy and a very loyal Crusader....he's a friend and a tremendous professor....why tenure exists...and why politics should not exist on this board. I had the Irish-American Experience with O'Donnell. I suppose it would be unfortunate if some would be hesitant to take his class or not want to speak up in it if their views differ from his. When I look at his twitter page and "The Weemsy Awards" (http://www.weemsyawards.com/) he's behind, I have to believe some people would be discouraged from taking a class he teaches. Would the college and/or students have spoken out if there was a political cartoon of Obama or Biden similar to the one O'Donnell tweeted out? I often ask myself when I see things like this: "What would happen if the sides were flipped?" -- Dean, forgive me if this is politics, but I think it's more a commentary on the chair of the history department. |
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Post by dadominate on Dec 14, 2021 9:17:00 GMT -5
Ed O'Donnell '86 is a great guy and a very loyal Crusader....he's a friend and a tremendous professor....why tenure exists...and why politics should not exist on this board. I had the Irish-American Experience with O'Donnell. I suppose it would be unfortunate if some would be hesitant to take his class or not want to speak up in it if their views differ from his. When I look at his twitter page and "The Weemsy Awards" (http://www.weemsyawards.com/) he's behind, I have to believe some people would be discouraged from taking a class he teaches. Would the college and/or students have spoken out if there was a political cartoon of Obama or Biden similar to the one O'Donnell tweeted out? I often ask myself when I see things like this: "What would happen if the sides were flipped?" -- Dean, forgive me if this is politics, but I think it's more a commentary on the chair of the history department. it's truly amazing the echochamber in which many of these folks (like o'donnell, apparently) reside. i see it constantly even in academic medicine. we incessantly hear about the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion of superficial human characteristics these days, but there is almost no diversity, equity, or inclusion of differing opinions in academia. i wonder if there is a similar hivemind conflict with hc athletics among the hc faculty that explains why this professor engaged in such a petty posting on twitter? i don't know if that's the case, just tossing out a hypothesis. |
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Post by Tom on Dec 14, 2021 9:21:57 GMT -5
I consider Pr O'Donnell and his wife friends. That being said, no matter what your political views are, I don't think it's very professional to be dropping F-bombs in a public forum
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Post by efg72 on Dec 14, 2021 9:27:28 GMT -5
They need to remember their role as a representative of the College extends beyond the classroom and is a 24-7 responsibility. While I believe in his freedom to speak his mind, if the school wanted to take action it likely would be justified-- but I am not a lawyer
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 14, 2021 12:56:05 GMT -5
Shouldn't educators be encouraging students to keep an open mind? Seems to me that being so openly partisan and "in the tank" for one side sort of undermines the ability to be the rudder of a neutral classroom, one that allows for all voices to feel like they can be heard.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 14, 2021 14:50:52 GMT -5
I had heard so many good things about Professor O'Donnell--so disappointing to see him reveal himself as someone with such horrendous judgment
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Post by dadominate on Dec 14, 2021 15:29:38 GMT -5
it can take years to build a great reputation... and just seconds to lose it. especially in the social media/cancel culture age we live in now (hopefully not for much longer).
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Post by dadominate on Dec 14, 2021 15:32:52 GMT -5
Shouldn't educators be encouraging students to keep an open mind? Seems to me that being so openly partisan and "in the tank" for one side sort of undermines the ability to be the rudder of a neutral classroom, one that allows for all voices to feel like they can be heard. great point. how comfortable would a student in o'donnell's class be expressing an opposing view in his class when the student sees that the professor has posted something like this with such a strong - and vulgarly expressed - opinion on one side of an issue? |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 14, 2021 16:28:26 GMT -5
Shouldn't educators be encouraging students to keep an open mind? Seems to me that being so openly partisan and "in the tank" for one side sort of undermines the ability to be the rudder of a neutral classroom, one that allows for all voices to feel like they can be heard. great point. how comfortable would a student in o'donnell's class be expressing an opposing view in his class when the student sees that the professor has posted something like this with such a strong - and vulgarly expressed - opinion on one side of an issue? Or writing a paper or exam essay thats being graded... |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 14, 2021 19:57:41 GMT -5
Throw in a couple of MFs to get a higher grade?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 14, 2021 22:47:48 GMT -5
Trust me, Eddo is far from the Marxist-Leninist some are implying he may be here. Agreed, what he tweeted wasn't optimal but I will say this was done shortly after a very contentious election and a failed coup....emotions were very high then. And with that, I shall post no more on this subject. Holy Cross is very fortunate to have him in the History department.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 15, 2021 9:42:59 GMT -5
'87 you're probably right, but if he posted this about Obama, he'd be called a racist and summarily terminated.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 15, 2021 9:53:54 GMT -5
Ed never taught me (obviously) but I've had a number of communications with him over the years, including that Irish-American on-line seminar and I have to say that I am surprised and disappointed with that post. I know that he, and many others, are very upset with the many things the former president did and said and feel that there was a purposeful effort to overturn a legitimate election. The January 6 insurrection (yes, that's what it was, not a peaceful protest) is still a raw nerve for many. Could and should have been expressed better. But, hey, Ed's an Irishman and he got his dander up.  |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 15, 2021 10:06:34 GMT -5
I enjoyed the Irish-American Seminar online, but I feel his post of that editorial cartoon was over the top and most disappointing.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 10:37:02 GMT -5
Ed never taught me (obviously) but I've had a number of communications with him over the years, including that Irish-American on-line seminar and I have to say that I am surprised and disappointed with that post. I know that he, and many others, are very upset with the many things the former president did and said and feel that there was a purposeful effort to overturn a legitimate election. The January 6 insurrection (yes, that's what it was, not a peaceful protest) is still a raw nerve for many. Could and should have been expressed better. But, hey, Ed's an Irishman and he got his dander up. If that's all it was I'm sure he'll apologize to the Holy Cross community for embarrassing it. |
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Post by bigfan on Dec 15, 2021 10:46:02 GMT -5
The school should not allow this type of political opinion. He should be fired on the spot.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 15, 2021 10:58:03 GMT -5
Anyone else besides college professors who should be fired for expressing a political opinion? Looking for where you draw the line.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 15, 2021 11:01:06 GMT -5
And if it’s the language that I also find offensive, then you better kick the majority of college and high school students out of school.
Our public language has deteriorated over the decades but that’s how it is.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 11:14:17 GMT -5
No one should be fired for being anti or pro a particular President. In the Professor's case, when you go to his website you see he is a mini conglomerate of enterprises that use HC as a base for salary, benefits, tenure and credibility.
That by itself is not objectional, but I would suggest he has lost focus that Holy Cross is charging $300,000 for a four year liberal arts education and Professors like him are part of what is being sold. He has a responsibility to keep himself and the college marketable as scholarly to all American families, not just the left leaning families.
3000 current students, a thousand or more employees and tens of thousands of alumni are counting on HC remaining marketable as a high academic institution.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2021 11:17:24 GMT -5
And if it’s the language that I also find offensive, then you better kick the majority of college and high school students out of school. Our public language has deteriorated over the decades but that’s how it is. Crossports is a welcome oasis from that trend. I learned early in life that anything that could be communicated with profanity could be communicated better without it. |
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