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Post by longsuffering on May 12, 2022 13:21:53 GMT -5
Honest Al Maguire. An insider told me, Al was truly a wonderful coach, a great leader and a great man. This is second hand but I would hope that some day HC would have this kind of BB coach once again. Of course many believed the same about Blaney, the great & Willard had his admirers too. I admired Frank Offering for his demeanor and apparent integrity. Let us hope that some how young Brett Nelson meets this standard. And, I do not smoke weed. HA!!!! We needed a big and a point. We might be half way there. HC is looking better and better as it gets closer to closing time in the Portal Pub.
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Post by timholycross on May 12, 2022 13:35:53 GMT -5
My comment about AC (now AU) players was a more general comment; have no idea as to their academic qualifications.
Al McGuire would be issuing apologies weekly these days; e.g. "These (Mormon) missions help a lot with the redshirting" or "the places with the best chili have waitresses with dirty ankles".
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Post by football44 on May 12, 2022 13:48:25 GMT -5
I don't think Jave Meade and Josh Sankes are walking through that door at this point in the recruiting calendar, when we have a lame duck head coach and a program in total shambles. The fact that 2 of our big portal targets are currently students at Belmont Abbey tells us everything we need to know. I've been holding out hope that better players have misjudged their appeal to power league teams and with scholarships still available we could get lucky. No sign of that so far. Don't hold your breath. You can bet that every kid that's transferred out of HC has spread the word to anyone that will listen (AAU coaches) "do not go to Holy Cross". I hate to say it but it's true.
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Post by rgs318 on May 12, 2022 13:54:29 GMT -5
So we lost a number of players who lied when they said nice things as they departed and are telling AAU coaches not to go to Holy Cross Is that right?
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Post by HC13 on May 12, 2022 13:58:40 GMT -5
I've been holding out hope that better players have misjudged their appeal to power league teams and with scholarships still available we could get lucky. No sign of that so far. Don't hold your breath. You can bet that every kid that's transferred out of HC has spread the word to anyone that will listen (AAU coaches) "do not go to Holy Cross". I hate to say it but it's true. I'm sure there is some of that, but likely no more than any other kid transferring out is doing. If it were so widespread or believe would anybody actually go anywhere?
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Post by football44 on May 12, 2022 14:09:50 GMT -5
So we lost a number of players who lied when they said nice things as they departed and are telling AAU coaches not to go to Holy Cross Is that right? Yes rgs318! When is everyone going to understand that many of the kids leaving are BN kids. They're not leaving for NIL deals they're leaving because they aren't happy at HC. My belief is that BN has something to do with it.
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Post by football44 on May 12, 2022 14:12:59 GMT -5
Quick comparison Bob Chesney has 16 "Super" Seniors coming back. The kids love playing for the guy. Not the case on the hoop court.
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Post by longsuffering on May 12, 2022 14:23:29 GMT -5
Luc received a great opportunity to become ROY at his size. He made a logical business move up, but not too far up, to the A-10. I doubt he is trashing HC mainly because it wouldn't be that believable.
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Post by longsuffering on May 12, 2022 14:44:56 GMT -5
So we lost a number of players who lied when they said nice things as they departed and are telling AAU coaches not to go to Holy Cross Is that right? Yes rgs318! When is everyone going to understand that many of the kids leaving are BN kids. They're not leaving for NIL deals they're leaving because they aren't happy at HC. My belief is that BN has something to do with it. A reasoned opinion for sure. But I'm not critical of Coach Nelson and staff moving forward. At many other D-1 schools they would have been out at season's end and have several months to two years to be paid to restart their careers elsewhere and have all pressure and responsibility off them. Instead they are here by our (HC's) choice and are fighting the good fight as far as I can determine. If HC won't pay to replace them (I agree with paying to reward the FB staff instead) then I'm going to support them. It's like HCEK in baseball. He got criticized but his players rallied to earn a playoff spot on the last day of the season. It's very rewarding when an underdog keeps plugging and then comes through and I'm hoping for that for MBB this season.
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Post by mm67 on May 12, 2022 15:02:29 GMT -5
The Transition Portal is very confusing to me. HC is by no stretch of the imagination a professional "college program." Yet a minor low major HC program is going through the same s&#t. Hope HC holds fast & true to its wonderful mission & glorious tradition.
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Post by trimster on May 12, 2022 15:23:26 GMT -5
Luc received a great opportunity to become ROY at his size. He made a logical business move up, but not too far up, to the A-10. I doubt he is trashing HC mainly because it wouldn't be that believable. The A10 is way above the level of the PL. It will be very interesting to see how Luc does as a Bonnie.
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Post by rgs318 on May 12, 2022 15:39:25 GMT -5
"way above?" Not academically.
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Post by timholycross on May 12, 2022 15:41:36 GMT -5
The Transition Portal is very confusing to me. HC is by no stretch of the imagination a professional "college program." Yet a minor low major HC program is going through the same s&#t. Hope HC holds fast & true to its wonderful mission & glorious tradition. I guess Holy Cross could flat out refuse to take scholarship athlete transfers, no matter whether they were academically qualified or not. The school could also say "you can come but you have to sit out a year"; that would in effect be the equivalent of no transfers whatsoever. Transfers out are out of the College's jurisdiction unless they forced the athlete to sign something upon arrival, which would most likely be illegal and/or unenforceable. Side note: what are the transfer rules right now for the lower divisions, 2 and 3; where those schools' programs are even less professional than ours?
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Post by hchoops on May 12, 2022 16:36:57 GMT -5
Honest Al Maguire. An insider told me, Al was truly a wonderful coach, a great leader and a great man. This is second hand but I would hope that some day HC would have this kind of BB coach once again. Of course many believed the same about Blaney, the great & Willard had his admirers too. I admired Frank Offering for his demeanor and apparent integrity. Frank Oftring
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Post by ts1970 on May 12, 2022 17:32:32 GMT -5
As much as I hate what has happened to the HC basketball program the past several years, it is still an anathema to me to pay someone for doing nothing as in buying out the remaining time on a coach’s Contract of employment and terminating him. Once was enough with former head coach Sean Kearney. I doubt HC would likely do that again for a long, long time.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 12, 2022 17:42:47 GMT -5
The Transition Portal is very confusing to me. HC is by no stretch of the imagination a professional "college program." Yet a minor low major HC program is going through the same s&#t. Hope HC holds fast & true to its wonderful mission & glorious tradition. I guess Holy Cross could flat out refuse to take scholarship athlete transfers, no matter whether they were academically qualified or not. The school could also say "you can come but you have to sit out a year"; that would in effect be the equivalent of no transfers whatsoever. Transfers out are out of the College's jurisdiction unless they forced the athlete to sign something upon arrival, which would most likely be illegal and/or unenforceable. Side note: what are the transfer rules right now for the lower divisions, 2 and 3; where those schools' programs are even less professional than ours? There were actually never transfer rules below DI as far as having to sit out a year. You could always transfer freely at the lower divisions, and this included I-AA/FCS Football. Delaware for years feasted on this and would routinely load up with I-A transfers, who were willing to trade dropping down a division for not having to sit out. Also, aside from the major sports, you could also freely transfer even at the DI level. So, it was always OK for a cross country runner or tennis player to transfer from one DI to another without having to sit out. The rule to my knowledge definitely applied to football, basketball and hockey. Not sure about baseball and lax but anecdotally I seem to recall Tyler Stampone, our SS from '06 and '07 transferring to W&M after his soph year at HC and I don't believe he had to sit. Hockey I know you had to sit because I recall my classmate Jordan Cyr having to wait a year before being eligible when he transferred from RPI. Not sure about WBB either but I'd guess it was same as MBB.
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Post by mm67 on May 12, 2022 17:46:58 GMT -5
Honest Al Maguire. An insider told me, Al was truly a wonderful coach, a great leader and a great man. This is second hand but I would hope that some day HC would have this kind of BB coach once again. Of course many believed the same about Blaney, the great & Willard had his admirers too. I admired Frank Offering for his demeanor and apparent integrity. Frank Oftring Oops, spell check. This fine man deserves to have his name spelled correctly. Thank you. MM
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Post by longsuffering on May 12, 2022 18:31:25 GMT -5
Luc received a great opportunity to become ROY at his size. He made a logical business move up, but not too far up, to the A-10. I doubt he is trashing HC mainly because it wouldn't be that believable. The A10 is way above the level of the PL. It will be very interesting to see how Luc does as a Bonnie. Yes it is. But I was noting the logic of him using his capital from ROY while it is fresh and unsullied to move up to a level he has a reasonable chance to succeed at. I don't think he is ready for the power conferences and if he had a sophomore slump next year at HC his opportunity to move up might have passed him by permanently. So the coach may have been an issue, but it was a timely advancement nonetheless.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 12, 2022 21:29:00 GMT -5
As much as I hate what has happened to the HC basketball program the past several years, it is still an anathema to me to pay someone for doing nothing as in buying out the remaining time on a coach’s Contract of employment and terminating him. Once was enough with former head coach Sean Kearney. I doubt HC would likely do that again for a long, long time. When Kearney was terminated, Holy Cross was paying two coaches for 3 years. We took a financial bath on that one. I can't seem to remember -- was Milan let go with one year remaining on his contact?
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Post by sader1970 on May 12, 2022 21:37:33 GMT -5
When you terminate a bad coach, the extra money spent should be considered an investment, not an expense and also a valuable "lesson learned."
I also don't recall about Milan but my gut tells me there was perhaps one year left on his contract. If Sean had the usual 5 year contract, he only coached one season, so we'd have paid for 4 non-productive years.
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Post by Tom on May 12, 2022 21:45:07 GMT -5
As much as I hate what has happened to the HC basketball program the past several years, it is still an anathema to me to pay someone for doing nothing as in buying out the remaining time on a coach’s Contract of employment and terminating him. Once was enough with former head coach Sean Kearney. I doubt HC would likely do that again for a long, long time. When Kearney was terminated, Holy Cross was paying two coaches for 3 years. We took a financial bath on that one. I can't seem to remember -- was Milan let go with one year remaining on his contact? IIRC, Coach Brown had a year left that was bought out, freeing him to coach elsewhere in 2015-16
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Post by longsuffering on May 12, 2022 23:03:12 GMT -5
When Kearney was terminated, Holy Cross was paying two coaches for 3 years. We took a financial bath on that one. I can't seem to remember -- was Milan let go with one year remaining on his contact? IIRC, Coach Brown had a year left that was bought out, freeing him to coach elsewhere in 2015-16 Do coaches generally get bought out at 100% of remaining salary or a discount in exchange for the freedom? A discount seems like a win/win for both parties if it's mutually agreed to.
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Post by sader1970 on May 13, 2022 5:16:30 GMT -5
Believe the story went at the time, true or not, that Sean’s contract was such that any related job that he took that salary would reduce the HC payout. That’s why he was in no hurry to get another coaching job. That and who would hire him after being axed after one season? At what point did he do color commentary?
Again from memory, thought Milan picked up an assistant job very quickly. Having left HC after multiple years and a modicum of success, he wasn’t in the same boat as Sean.
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Post by crusader1970 on May 13, 2022 6:54:10 GMT -5
Luc received a great opportunity to become ROY at his size. He made a logical business move up, but not too far up, to the A-10. I doubt he is trashing HC mainly because it wouldn't be that believable. The A10 is way above the level of the PL. It will be very interesting to see how Luc does as a Bonnie. He's 5'9". He does not have PG instincts or dribbling skills. He's much too small for an A10 2G.
I think he will regret the day he left the PL level of competition where he could have had a real nice career..
Just my opinion.
That said, I wish him well and hope it works out for him.
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Post by trimster on May 13, 2022 7:26:22 GMT -5
The A10 is way above the level of the PL. It will be very interesting to see how Luc does as a Bonnie. He's 5'9". He does not have PG instincts or dribbling skills. He's much too small for an A10 2G.
I think he will regret the day he left the PL level of competition where he could have had a real nice career..
Just my opinion.
That said, I wish him well and hope it works out for him.
I agree on all counts. Some people on the Bona Board think they have landed a very good point guard although one poster voiced concerns about his assist to turnover ratio. I thought of him last season as an off guard in a point guard’s body. I was more disappointed in RJ leaving than K Luc.
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