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Post by bigfan on Dec 26, 2023 18:30:13 GMT -5
Scheduling Elms is a disgrace. Schedule Assumption or Bentley or find a pay game somewhere and make some money. What will be the attendance for this game.
Probably less than 100.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 26, 2023 18:57:34 GMT -5
Do I disagree with scheduling D3 schools...yes. Is scheduling any one of them a "disgrace" - of course not.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 26, 2023 19:24:17 GMT -5
Scheduling Elms is a disgrace. Schedule Assumption or Bentley or find a pay game somewhere and make some money. What will be the attendance for this game. Probably less than 100. I agree with playing Assumption. I just want so badly a loud Hart Center and am not excited about this game. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 26, 2023 19:25:10 GMT -5
Then, they'll only need 98 more to beat your prediction.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 26, 2023 19:26:09 GMT -5
Sad that so many seem to care more about seeing the opponent than cheering for their own team - Holy Cross.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 26, 2023 19:39:41 GMT -5
Sad that so many seem to care more about seeing the opponent than cheering for their own team - Holy Cross. True but that is not easy these days. We know that almost every out of conference home game over the last bunch of years has been a loss. Since 2019 5-13 out of conference record at home. The wins have been Regis, MT St Vincent, Dean, Colby Swayer and Central Connecticut. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2023 20:37:22 GMT -5
Sad that so many seem to care more about seeing the opponent than cheering for their own team - Holy Cross. True but that is not easy these days. We know that almost every out of conference home game over the last bunch of years has been a loss. Since 2019 5-13 out of conference record at home. The wins have been Regis, MT St Vincent, Dean, Colby Swayer and Central Connecticut. As opposed to a "Murderer's Row" this is a "Litterer's Row" of teams. I can not think of any Marquee opponents among the 13 losses either. The Hart Center's marquee is that electronic message board facing Rte. 290. Actually effective free advertising space if they could schedule an impressive foe. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 26, 2023 20:55:50 GMT -5
True but that is not easy these days. We know that almost every out of conference home game over the last bunch of years has been a loss. Since 2019 5-13 out of conference record at home. The wins have been Regis, MT St Vincent, Dean, Colby Swayer and Central Connecticut. As opposed to a "Murderer's Row" this is a "Litterer's Row" of teams. I can not think of any Marquee opponents among the 13 losses either. The Hart Center's marquee is that electronic message board facing Rte. 290. Actually effective free advertising space if they could schedule an impressive foe. In the PL era who is the best team you think that came into the Hart? 2 Articles to read or re read. They were written 50 years ago in the yearbook. Attachments:
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Post by hcmawfawo on Dec 26, 2023 21:16:40 GMT -5
03-04 Williams Ephs…
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Post by princetoncrusader on Dec 26, 2023 21:21:38 GMT -5
Seems like the NESCAC schools don't partake of these matchups against D1 team very often. Instead we get obscure D3 schools like Mount Saint Vincent, Elms and in the case of Princeton, Bryn Athyn, a school I had never heard of. I suspect the well endowed NESCAC schools don't need the money for their hoops programs.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 27, 2023 8:09:45 GMT -5
Then, they'll only need 98 more to beat your prediction. 97 |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 27, 2023 8:11:38 GMT -5
It seems weird to me that there would be more non D-1 games when the list of D-1 schools grows every year. Hardly unique to HC, though - I'll bet there are fewer than 50 D-1 schools total that do not play a D2, 3 or NAIA.
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2023 8:51:16 GMT -5
Sad that so many seem to care more about seeing the opponent than cheering for their own team - Holy Cross. I like to think I can do both. I would be at Hart Friday if the game wasn't scheduled at 2:00 on a work day (at least a work day for me) no matter who the opponent is. At the same time I can bemoan the fact the nature of the opponent means that this kind of isn't a real game. At least to the degree that it is highly probable that at the end of the day although one team will have won a game, no one will have lost. Just me, but I don't need Duke to come to Hart (although it would be nice), but I would prefer a home and home with a team in the same NCAA classification as HC.. Even a school that has only been D-I a very short time and has no name recognition |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 27, 2023 9:04:33 GMT -5
Then, they'll only need 98 more to beat your prediction. 97 If the Elms fall at the Hart, and there's nobody there to see it, will we really have won? Btw, their average home attendance this season has been 89 - don't know how well they travel beyond Chicopee, though.
Probably a good idea to pack it inside on defense, as they are shooting just 24% from beyond the arc, ranking 406th in D3. They have one guy over 6-4, so offensively, we should have opportunities to drive through their saplings to the hoop.
Really enjoying the build-up to this key contest.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 27, 2023 9:10:04 GMT -5
Sad that so many seem to care more about seeing the opponent than cheering for their own team - Holy Cross. I like to think I can do both. I would be at Hart Friday if the game wasn't scheduled at 2:00 on a work day (at least a work day for me) no matter who the opponent is. At the same time I can bemoan the fact the nature of the opponent means that this kind of isn't a real game. At least to the degree that it is highly probable that at the end of the day although one team will have won a game, no one will have lost. Just me, but I don't need Duke to come to Hart (although it would be nice), but I would prefer a home and home with a team in the same NCAA classification as HC.. Even a school that has only been D-I a very short time and has no name recognition Stonehill fits your preference but Friday is a travel day for them. They are playing Rutgers on Saturday.🤕 |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 27, 2023 9:21:03 GMT -5
Quick shoutout to the Elms College employee responsible for covering the men’s basketball team. The Blazers, 2-11 overall and 0-2 in the conference, seem destined to fulfill the preseason prediction of finishing 15th of 15th. Scanning the team’s site, the headlines (below) make clear how the team has been overrun, fell short, been topped, keeled, been dropped, etc. but never “lost”. I wonder if the HC site over the last few years has provided inspiration for tough headlines. Good luck to the Blazers in building up their program. Let’s hope HC MBB can provide a source of inspiration in 2024 as to ability to turn things around. Look forward to PL play coming up soon. Blazers Overrun by Wolves Blazers Fell Short to Raiders in GNAC Play Men's Basketball Drop Non-Conference Game Lightning Surrender to Wildcats in GNAC Play Men's Basketball Topped by Trailblazers Blazers Outlasted By Hawks: Cadle Named to ALL-Tournament Team Union College Pulls Away From Men's Basketball Men's Basketball Keel to Bantams Blazers Stifle Panthers for Second Straight Win Blazers Hold On Late to Defeat Rams Curry Game Winner Sinks Blazers in Home Opener Blazers Edged By Gators in Non-Conference Play Blazers Topped by Fighting Tigers in Season Opener Men's Basketball Tabbed Fifteenth in GNAC Preseason "Blazers crucified by Holy Cross" |
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2023 11:38:42 GMT -5
I like to think I can do both. I would be at Hart Friday if the game wasn't scheduled at 2:00 on a work day (at least a work day for me) no matter who the opponent is. At the same time I can bemoan the fact the nature of the opponent means that this kind of isn't a real game. At least to the degree that it is highly probable that at the end of the day although one team will have won a game, no one will have lost. Just me, but I don't need Duke to come to Hart (although it would be nice), but I would prefer a home and home with a team in the same NCAA classification as HC.. Even a school that has only been D-I a very short time and has no name recognition Stonehill fits your preference but Friday is a travel day for them. They are playing Rutgers on Saturday.🤕 Fair enough. I was kind of pointing to Stonehill. Not thinking about open dates, but a no-name school that most casual fans would not even know was D-I. As a basic scheduling philosophy, I would prefer a home and home with a relatively unknown D-I team than an extra home game against a lower division. Taking my philosophy a step further,. . I understand the D-III scheduling. Thus far HC has played 12 OOC games. 3 have been at Hart. That's kind of a low number, but after you eliminate 3 games in a tourney and 3 guarantee games, that's half of what's left. If you want to have a D-III to give an extra home game, while I understand the thought process, I wish they'd play it when the students were around Obviously you need wins to build a buzz on campus, but there were only two games while the students were here. My preference (that no one cares about) is that if I'm swallowing a bitter D-III pill to get an extra home game, schedule it on a day when the campus community is around to enjoy it |
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Post by HC92 on Dec 27, 2023 12:25:22 GMT -5
Nothing we can do about this year’s schedule. I do think it’s fair to expect a veteran coach like DP to assemble a better OOC schedule next year. That said, we have to recognize that no name team of any sort is coming to the Hart on a home-and-home basis. Might have to get creative. Not sure exactly what that looks like but I’d figure it out if I was getting paid as much as KH and DP to figure it out.
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Post by alum on Dec 27, 2023 13:13:46 GMT -5
As opposed to a "Murderer's Row" this is a "Litterer's Row" of teams. I can not think of any Marquee opponents among the 13 losses either. The Hart Center's marquee is that electronic message board facing Rte. 290. Actually effective free advertising space if they could schedule an impressive foe. 2 Articles to read or re read. They were written 50 years ago in the yearbook. Calipari's UMASS came in 91-92 season. They ended up 29-5 and ranked 17th. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/massachusetts/men/1992-schedule.htmlA BC team which ended up winning the Big East came in 96-97. They were 24th in the final poll. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/boston-college/men/1997-schedule.html(There may have been more, but I got bored at this point.) |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 27, 2023 13:30:56 GMT -5
Good ones. What you’ve listed are better than the below, but other good ones… Vermont in 2004-05 (the year they beat Syracuse). Bucknell in 2005-06 (the year they were a 9 seed and beat Arkansas). Siena in 2008-09 (the McCrybaby game. They were really good that year. 9 seed) Harvard in 2011-12 (12 seed and finished the season 26-5) |
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 27, 2023 13:54:46 GMT -5
THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A 2 PAGE THREAD FOR SUCH A GAME - Suggest talking about something else on other topics and halt this topic imme
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Post by bison137 on Dec 27, 2023 14:13:43 GMT -5
What you’ve listed are better than the below, but other good ones… Vermont in 2004-05 (the year they beat Syracuse). Bucknell in 2005-06 (the year they were a 9 seed and beat Arkansas). Siena in 2008-09 (the McCrybaby game. They were really good that year. 9 seed) Harvard in 2011-12 (12 seed and finished the season 26-5) That Bucknell team btw ended up ranked 25th in the final USA Today Coaches Poll. Also were top 25 in RPI and top 30 in OOC SOS. |
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2023 14:42:19 GMT -5
THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A 2 PAGE THREAD FOR SUCH A GAME - Suggest talking about something else on other topics and halt this topic imme Damned if you do. Damned if you don't If we don't talk about this game it will come under the heading of an energy nadir |
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2023 14:49:43 GMT -5
Getting away from the schedule for a bit, I think it will be interesting to see who's on the floor for the first 10 minutes or so. After that minutes should be pretty meaningless in a game like this.
Through 9 games Singleton had played a total of 82 minutes (about 9 mpg) and Wills played 59 minutes (which works out to about 6.5 but he had some DNP-CD's which I worked into that average. In the two games Batch was out sick, they averaged 36.5 and 32 MPG and preformed well. Does Batch get handed most of his minutes back? Does he get Wally Pipp'd? One week from today at Bucknell will be more telling, but it is something worth watching. I am also hopeful that Coulibaly's minutes will be up from Harvard as his ankle gets a Christmas holiday
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 27, 2023 15:02:08 GMT -5
No one is being forced to go to the game, watch it online or comment on it on the board. Just saying.
For me, if I'm going to go watch a practice, I might as well attend a game, no matter who is playing. Should also be noted that there are similar threads on dozens and dozens of other message boards. No one actually likes these games. To me, it's a low priority in terms of things that need improving.
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