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Post by alum on Nov 30, 2022 11:16:40 GMT -5
I think we’re agreed that differing outcomes is NOT evidence of gender (or other) discrimination. It could be the pool of women enrolling at HC have/develop the skills/brains/numbers to dominate the most selective of the honor societies. (Actually, I’m not sure how this compares to Phi Beta Kappa at HC nowadays but I’m on a roll this AM.) As to this particular selection process for Alpha Sigma Nu, we don't have enough information about the pool of eligible students, the number of students from that group who applied, the records of each student etc to draw any conclusion one way or the other about any type of discrimination. Sometimes, however, statistics are quite helpful as indirect proof of both disparate treatment and disparate impact discrimination. Imagine a large public company is taken private by a wealthy, but somewhat eccentric, billionaire. He decides his company is bloated and that he wants to lay off 1000 of his 3000 engineers who are 49% men, 49% women, and 2% non binary persons. Assume for the sake of this exercise that length of service is not considered and that the groups each have an equivalent percentage of employees whose work is of A quality, B quality, and C quality. Assume also that the average male employee is 15 years older than the average female or non binary employee. After the process is completed, the company has laid off 800 men, 140 women, and all 60 non binary persons. This result suggests that the employer might be targeting older and/or male workers and non binary ones. The proof of the latter is stronger than the proof of the former but there is enough there to look further as to whether the employer was out to get certain classes of workers. On the other hand, the employer might have been acting in good faith but applied standards which unintentionally resulted in this result, .i.e. a disparate impact. As you can imagine there is quite a bit more to this discussion but there is nothing wrong with starting with what appears to be a skewed outcome to see if there is something wrong going on. As employers rarely write down or say out loud any more that they are engaged in illegal discrimination, properly developed statistics are an important tool in identifying discrimination. ( I am not suggesting that any eccentric billionaire currently in the news is engaging in illegal discrimination. While he may be getting himself in trouble related to some of his labor practices, I have seen no such allegation of this type of behavior.)
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Post by alum on Nov 30, 2022 9:19:37 GMT -5
OK, I didn't know I might be quizzed on this subject ( ) but my recollection was that I was told either by the honoree herself or her mother that the floor for admission was not top 15% but rather the top 4% academically. That it was a unique amount sticks in my brain. Now, since this is a Jesuit honor, is it possible that it is the top 4% over all Jesuit colleges and universities and because Holy Cross is such a prestigious school that the top 15% of Crusader students are within the top 4% of all Jesuit schools? For more information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Sigma_NuOf note, this doesn't clarify the 15% vs. 4% but does state: See here. Top 15% GPA eligible to apply. Max that can be accepted is 5 (or 4) % of class. www.holycross.edu/alpha-sigma-nu/fact-sheet
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Post by alum on Nov 30, 2022 8:17:36 GMT -5
I believe membership in this organziation is limited to students in the top 15% of the class who apply for membership and establish that in addition to great grades that they have also been involved in service to the community. A little work is required to become admitted and some students probably did not choose to pursue it. I am inclined to think that female students outnumber male students in the top 15% pool, because, as hcpride notes, we see that at other levels of education. I pulled up last year's commencement program and found that about one third of the summa grads were male and that about one third of the Honors program grads were male.
I noticed that one of the recipients was a woman from the rowing team who was reported as injured in the accident.
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Post by alum on Nov 29, 2022 9:45:57 GMT -5
Weather turning for Saturday 👎🏼 Yup Sounds like it could be rain all day. The game ought to be moved back to 11 am. It is being streamed, not shown on regular cable, so there ought to be no scheduling issues. Sat 03 55° /36° Rain 76% SW 18 mph Sat 03 | Day 55° 76% SW 18 mph Showers early, becoming a steady rain later in the day. High around 55F. Winds SW at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 80%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch. Humidity 72% UV Index 1 of 10 Sunrise 6:58 am Sunset 4:15 pm
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Post by alum on Nov 29, 2022 8:43:57 GMT -5
Commonwealth vs. Welansky (316 Mass. 383) is the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court case related to the Cocoanut Grove fire in which the proprietor of the Cocoanut Grove appealed his criminal conviction of involuntary manslaughter as a result of his alleged wanton and reckless disregard of the safety of his patrons. The case first came to my attention in criminal law class in my first year of law school (‘70-‘71) where the prof related the story of the fire and the story that the outcome of the HC-BC football game (according to him, a big time rivalry game in the ‘40s along the lines of Army-Navy, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Michigan-Ohio State, etc.) saved the lives of some BC players and their families. Most of my fellow students chuckled in disbelief that the ‘42 HC-BC game was “big time” but the prof, to his credit, insisted that it was true. You went and posted this, forcing me to go and read the case (which includes a lengthy discussion of the facts supporting the verdict.) Given that the emergency exits were nailed shut, I think that the guy deserved to be convicted. Below is a link anyone can use without a subscription to any service. The decision simply recites, "An important football game in the afternoon had attracted many visitors to Boston." Research indicates that Justice Lummus received a Bachelor of Law from BU three years after graduating from Lynn Classical. Obviously a hater. law.justia.com/cases/massachusetts/supreme-court/volumes/316/316mass383.html
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Post by alum on Nov 29, 2022 6:26:39 GMT -5
Good work with the photo hcdad22.
UNHfan is just looking to generate some fun here. I’m all for that. The coach, bringing up a play that happened before some of these kids got their driver’s licenses, let’s mock him all we want.
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Post by alum on Nov 28, 2022 21:00:49 GMT -5
He campaigned last month for the Congressional nominee out in your neck of the woods. Hopefully he was able to combine it with a visit to see his son.
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Post by alum on Nov 28, 2022 16:01:02 GMT -5
I favor low income students receiving assistance to attend college. But I don't think attending any particular college is an entitlement. Private colleges can get caught in a death spiral: Mt. Ida, Pine Manor, Boston Conservatory of Music, Becker, Green Mountain College, Atlantic Union College, St. Joseph's of Rutland, Vermont, etc. A college should be able to prioritize it's own fiscal health and sustainability as it sees fit. And bright students who qualify for Pell Grants should follow the incentives to the colleges that value them. If colleges have a big enough endowment they should meet the financial need of every admitted student. The death spiral referenced here is of concern. Discounting tuition can end up causing disaster, but even if it does not, it can leave insufficient funds for need based aid to offer students, even with the benefit of a Pell Grant. Without a critical mass of students who are less financially advantaged, poorer students will not enroll or transfer after they do. My wife worked at a NESCAC in fundraising. They had a retreat where some students came and spoke about what financial aid had done for them. They were appreciative of the generosity of the donors and the work of the advancement staff but some noted that they felt out of place. They pointed to clothes, and in particular the "shirts with the whales on them" and Canada Goose coats. If a student looks around and sees that no one even dresses like him or her, a state school might seem like a better place. I have no idea if the Fairfield thing is a statistical fluke or something more and certainly am not prepared to condemn them, especially given their efforts with the creation of a community college. On the other hand, they had a chance to try to push this story in any number of directions and seem to have passed on the chance.
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Post by alum on Nov 28, 2022 12:16:51 GMT -5
Story in the Globe about the anniversary maintains that the story that BC was to have a party there that night was a myth. www.bostonglobe.com/2022/11/27/metro/ceremony-be-held-marking-80th-anniversary-cocoanut-grove-nightclub-fire-mysteries-myths-persist-years-later/"Schorow said one of the myths involves the college football game that was played at Fenway Park on that fateful day. Boston College lost to Holy Cross by a score of 55 to 12, and according to local lore, the Boston College team canceled their plans for a celebration at the Cocoanut Grove that night due to the loss, thereby avoiding the tragic fire.
But that story didn’t sit right with Schorow. With the help of Cocoanut Grove researcher David Blaney, Schorow found newspaper accounts reporting that a team party for Boston College was actually held at the Hotel Statler that night.
It’s possible some BC players may have planned to meet up at the Cocoanut Grove later, Schorow said, “but that is speculation.” She also noted that the previous year, in 1941, BC’s team celebration was indeed held at the Cocoanut Grove, “which may have helped fuel the myth.”
“But the story of how a terrible defeat saved BC lives has been repeated so many times it’s engrained into the history of the doomed nightclub,” she said. “I think it underscores a greater truth — that we humans are desperate to see meaning even in horrific events and we have to believe in a divine purpose for all our lives.”'
Maybe it was BC fans and alums who had planned a big celebration there I think you are probably right
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Post by alum on Nov 28, 2022 11:31:46 GMT -5
Story in the Globe about the anniversary maintains that the story that BC was to have a party there that night was a myth. www.bostonglobe.com/2022/11/27/metro/ceremony-be-held-marking-80th-anniversary-cocoanut-grove-nightclub-fire-mysteries-myths-persist-years-later/"Schorow said one of the myths involves the college football game that was played at Fenway Park on that fateful day. Boston College lost to Holy Cross by a score of 55 to 12, and according to local lore, the Boston College team canceled their plans for a celebration at the Cocoanut Grove that night due to the loss, thereby avoiding the tragic fire.
But that story didn’t sit right with Schorow. With the help of Cocoanut Grove researcher David Blaney, Schorow found newspaper accounts reporting that a team party for Boston College was actually held at the Hotel Statler that night.
It’s possible some BC players may have planned to meet up at the Cocoanut Grove later, Schorow said, “but that is speculation.” She also noted that the previous year, in 1941, BC’s team celebration was indeed held at the Cocoanut Grove, “which may have helped fuel the myth.”
“But the story of how a terrible defeat saved BC lives has been repeated so many times it’s engrained into the history of the doomed nightclub,” she said. “I think it underscores a greater truth — that we humans are desperate to see meaning even in horrific events and we have to believe in a divine purpose for all our lives.”'
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Post by alum on Nov 28, 2022 8:50:37 GMT -5
I saw this in the paper this morning. Harvard had the team posted on their site.
"Undefeated Holy Cross, the Patriot League champion, leads the team with seven selections. Bryant University is second with four. Both Harvard and New Hampshire have three picks, while Central Connecticut State, Dartmouth, Maine, UConn, Rhode Island, and Ivy League champion Yale have two picks each. Additional players selected are from Boston College, Brown, Merrimack, Sacred Heart, Stonehill, and UMass."
2022 New England Division I All-New England Team
Defensive Line
Kenny Dyson, Jr., Bryant University
Truman Jones, Sr., Harvard University
Dan Kuznetsov, Sr., College of the Holy Cross
Dylan Ruiz, So., University of New Hampshire
Linebacker
Joe Andreessen, Sr., Bryant University
Joe Heffernan, Sr., Dartmouth College
Jackson Mitchell*, Jr,. University of Connecticut
Chizi Umunakwe, Sr., Central Connecticut State University
Defensive Back
Quinten Arello, Sr., Dartmouth College
Devin Haskins, Sr., College of the Holy Cross
Wade Owens, Jr., Yale University
John Smith*, Sr., College of the Holy Cross
Tre Wortham, Sr., University of Connecticut
Quarterback
Matthew Sluka, Jr., College of the Holy Cross
Max Brosmer, So., University of New Hampshire
Fullback
Zavier Scott, Sr., University of Maine
Running Back
Aidan Bourget, Sr., Harvard University
Marques DeShields, Sr., University of Rhode Island
Malik Grant*, Sr.. Sacred Heart University
Nasir Smith, Sr., Central Connecticut State University
Wide Receiver
Jalen Coker, Jr., College of the Holy Cross
Zay Flowers*, Sr., Boston College
Landon Ruggeri, Jr,. Bryant University
Tight End
Shane Bowman, Sr., University of Maine
Tyler Neville, Sr., Harvard University
Offensive Line
Donovan Allen, Sr., Brown University
Joe Bastante, Sr., Stonehill College
Nick Correia, Jr., University of Rhode Island
Antonio Derry, Jr., Merrimack College
Nick Gargiulo, Sr., Yale University
Nick Olsofka, Sr,. College of the Holy Cross
Punter
C.J. Kolodziey, So., University of Massachusetts
Kicker
Derek Ng, Sr., College of the Holy Cross
Kickoff Return Specialist
Anthony Frederick, Sr., Bryant University
Punt Return Specialist
Dylan Laube, Sr., University of New Hampshire
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Post by alum on Nov 27, 2022 10:59:02 GMT -5
Laube has 23 touches per game plus an unknown additional number of targets. They averaged 67 combined rushing and passing plays per game so he’s involved in at least a third of them. He lines up in the backfield and at receiver. What’s the defensive game plan for a unique talent like this?
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Post by alum on Nov 26, 2022 17:10:23 GMT -5
I’ve seen enough
How do we stop Laube? I guess it starts with Derek kicking the ball out of the end zone every time!
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Post by alum on Nov 26, 2022 17:00:27 GMT -5
Demorat missing more than usual.
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Post by alum on Nov 26, 2022 15:25:28 GMT -5
And it’s a ballgame again
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Post by alum on Nov 26, 2022 13:57:59 GMT -5
Just saw this
Schools can’t post highlights on Twitter during game.
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Post by alum on Nov 26, 2022 7:33:03 GMT -5
Here is the link to the study edreformnow.org/2022/11/10/what-the-pell-americas-worst-colleges-and-universities-for-enrolling-students-from-low-income-households/We are at 13% which rates unsatisfactory. I only glanced through it but saw a chart showing schools with improvements. Colby, a school which is getting a lot of praise lately and which VR has pointed to as a model, made great improvement in recent years. I know HC has announced a couple of programs to improve these metrics which is good. The Supreme Court is likely to abolish any kind of affirmative action in admissions so there will be a greater emphasis on this going forward i found our average cost for a family with income of under $30,000. It’s around $14,000. Since some people can control their income or might have substantial savings, this factor seems a bit misleading. I suggest HC take student loans out of financial aid packages for students who qualify for Pell Grants and market that. I think lots of first generation college students and their parents are terrified about borrowing $20,000 over four years.
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Post by alum on Nov 26, 2022 7:13:50 GMT -5
Here’s the story. It is tough to read and they did a lousy crisis management job dealing with this reporter but at least the story acknowledges that they are starting a community college program which we discussed in an earlier thread
How Fairfield University Ended Up With Few Low-Income Students Fairfield has the lowest percentage of Pell Grant recipients of any college in the United States. But was it a choice?
FAIRFIELD, Conn. — Last night, the first official basketball game at Fairfield University’s brand-new, 85,000-square-foot Leo D. Mahoney Arena took place. The building, which cost $51 million, takes pride of place in the center of campus.
Across Loyola Drive, in the suite of admission and financial aid offices in the Aloysius P. Kelley Center, the school has hit a different kind of milestone: The class of first-year students that entered in 2020 had the lowest percentage of Pell Grant recipients of any college in the United States — 7.5 percent — according to the most recent federal data.
The federal government makes Pell Grants available to students from families with the lowest incomes in the country. So the figure has become a proxy for a higher education institution’s commitment to pulling students up from the lowest rungs of the social-class ladder.
Is the Pell Grant the best metric to judge this commitment? Fairfield, a Jesuit institution whose mission includes fostering “ethical and religious values and a sense of social responsibility,” believes the measurement is “not particularly useful” or “modern.” The school refused to let administrators have an on-the-record conversation with me about it, but I did communicate by email with one vice president.
Built upon the bedrock of a sustainable academic and economic model, we continue to work to make Fairfield more accessible to as many students as possible,” Corry Unis, who has been the school’s vice president for strategic enrollment management since 2018, said in an email.
The words “sustainable” and “economic” do offer some clues as to how the school ended up with such a low Pell figure — and to how difficult and expensive it can be to reverse this at a university with 4,757 undergraduates.
The first class of students was admitted to Fairfield in 1947. In university years, that’s fairly young. It is too young, in this instance at least, to have enough graduates who have made and donated sufficient money to the school’s endowment to meet the full financial need of every student the school accepts.
Federal data tell some of that story. In the 2020-21 school year, first-year, full-time Fairfield undergraduates whose families had incomes of $30,000 or less paid an average “net price” of $31,018. Up the road at Trinity College in Hartford, a school with a much higher endowment per student, that figure is $8,252. At Providence College in Rhode Island, it’s $19,531.
How can families pay $31,038 to Fairfield when they earn no more than $30,000? The government defines “net price” in this instance as what families are responsible for after Pell Grants are subtracted from a school’s list price (about $70,000 at Fairfield this year, including room and board). Pell Grants amount to no more than $6,895 per student for the 2022-23 school year and go most often to families with incomes under $60,000. Any state or local government scholarships are also subtracted from the list price, as are whatever additional grants an individual school offers. A family or student covers the remaining net price with savings, income and loans.
James Murphy, a senior policy analyst at the advocacy group Education Reform Now, generates the Pell rankings each year and publishes the results on the organization’s website. He dove a little deeper into Fairfield’s first-year student numbers and found that its percentage of Pell recipients had dropped 44 percent over four years, to 7.5 percent in 2020-21 from 13.3 percent in 2016-17.
“How does that happen?” he asked. “Choices are being made. You have to assume it’s someone pretty high up the ladder.”
At the very beginning of a speech in September, Fairfield’s president, Mark R. Nemec, practically beat his chest with pride. “We are now the seventh most selective Catholic university,” he said. “To put this in historical perspective, with the students who arrived in the fall of 2017, we placed 50th (five zero) amongst our Catholic peers.”
Schools like Fairfield often need to offer discounts to above-average students in the form of so-called merit aid to persuade them to matriculate. These discounts may have nothing to do with financial need. According to Fairfield’s most recent data, from the 2020-21 school year, it offered 89 percent of first-year, full-time students without financial need (who came from families with household incomes usually higher than $200,000) an average of $17,881 for their freshman year.
In a news release about the most recent first-year class, the school heralded the largest applicant pool ever. The release did not give a figure for Pell Grant recipients, though it did note that “numbers of first-generation students and students representing diverse populations” increased from the previous year.
President Nemec noted in his speech that “selectivity is not an end for us.” But it can create a kind of virtuous domino effect, and Fairfield is far from alone in using increased selectivity as a tactic to boost its standing and branding.
If all goes according to the playbook, better students will want to be with better students; rising selectivity will cause applications to increase without Fairfield having to spend ever more money on recruiting; more people will be willing to pay the list price to live and study there; donations will rise; and then there will be more money to recruit and support low-income students. It could work, but it would take many years.
Another possibility, however, is stagnant or declining percentages of Pell Grant recipients; low-income applicants wondering whether they may get a better deal elsewhere; and current students wondering how much the institution cares for people who are historically underrepresented. Fairfield did itself no favors this year when the administration ordered its mental-health counseling center to remove a “Black Lives Matter” banner from its window.
Eden Marchese, a senior who has worked in the admissions office and who is the director of diversity and inclusion for the Fairfield University Student Association, was not surprised by the school’s low Pell figure. Mx. Marchese was quick to note that there were college employees doing incredible work. Still, Mx. Marchese would offer qualified advice to prospective students considering the school.
“If you want to be a trailblazer, there is so much room for you to find yourself here,” Mx. Marchese said. “But there are also other places that can make you feel safer and can make you feel like you belong there. The senses of belonging here for me have been so few and far between, and it’s heartbreaking.”
The school told me, via email, that it did measure “belonging” through “retention, success and student satisfaction and engagement surveys.” I asked to see the results from Pell Grant recipients on satisfaction and engagement, but the school would not give them to me.
“As a first-generation Pell recipient and someone who identifies as coming from a diverse background, the university has been nothing but welcoming,” Mr. Unis, the enrollment vice president, said in an email.
Next year, the school plans to open Fairfield Bellarmine, in nearby Bridgeport. There, up to 100 “traditionally underrepresented” students will pursue two-year degrees in a program grounded in the liberal arts. Fairfield has a new full-tuition scholarship program at the main campus, too. This is a start.
Fairfield’s biggest challenge may be financial. It could spend more to recruit higher numbers of lower-income students and then discount tuition enough for the education to be affordable.
That could require budget cuts elsewhere, though, say from the dining hall or dorm remodeling. If you do that enough, higher-income families who already subsidize tuition for lower-income students may never even apply.
Make no mistake, this is a business, and the choices Fairfield faces are similar to ones that hundreds of other schools must make. College-shopping families and students could prioritize diversity over new buildings and amenities if they wanted to, but schools worry that most of them — most of us — do not and never will.
Wealthy alumni have choices to make, too. The lead gift on the new arena came from Shelagh Mahoney-McNamee, who is also a board member. She did not respond to several messages seeking comment on how she allocates her giving or whether she had considered other philanthropic options aside from the arena. She could consider them.
Fairfield has no shortage of people with expertise on Catholic teachings. Most of them did not reply to my inquiries about the godliness of a low Pell number. But Paul Lakeland, a professor and founding director of the school’s Center for Catholic Studies, was willing to weigh in.
He noted that the school “desperately” needed an arena of some sort. Then, he continued.
“You measure the common good of any community by the degree to which it prioritizes the needs of the least fortunate members,” he said. “A healthy community is one where the least fortunate are given the greatest attention.”
Ron Lieber has been the Your Money columnist since 2008 and has written five books, most recently “The Price You Pay for College.”
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Post by alum on Nov 26, 2022 6:58:01 GMT -5
Del UNH EK Weber Richmond Elon Idaho Montana
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Post by alum on Nov 25, 2022 16:32:03 GMT -5
Tie v England. Must beat Iran to advance. And as one of my sons texted me, if they can’t beat Iran , they don’t deserve to even be here.
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Post by alum on Nov 23, 2022 10:32:07 GMT -5
At the end of this season, Sachs will have completed three seasons since he lost the Salisbury job. Kit can do his due diligence, talk to all the people he needs to talk to about this, and, if he is satisfied that Sachs is rehabilitated, consider him for the job. There may not be a lot of people who are going to be willing to take a chance on our job and there are probably not a lot willing to take a chance on Sachs. This could be a good fit. Here is an article about his prior termination by a columnist who admits to being a fan. www.capitalgazette.com/sports/ac-cs-andy-sachs-column-20181219-story.htmlThis writer concluded his column by recommending Sachs for a D-II or D-III head coaching position. True, but the article was written a long time ago. I think he has served his time in purgatory and deserves a shot. I am simply saying that his past problems should not disqualify him. I have become a believer about hiring winning head coaches no matter where they were before over guys who are career assistants. Maybe there are better candidates. I can't wait to find out.
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Post by alum on Nov 23, 2022 8:20:57 GMT -5
Money should not matter when you do the right thing--If RJ is named interim As little as I believe Nelson deserves to continue, the flip side is I believe there's no one better to step into the breach than RJ. Most of all, because he's the kind of person we want leading our once-proud program and the students who wear the uniform. I also believe he'll be a helluva coach. I don't want the stain of being the head guy, even on an interim basis, to hurt RJ's career going forward.
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Post by alum on Nov 23, 2022 8:11:52 GMT -5
At the end of this season, Sachs will have completed three seasons since he lost the Salisbury job. Kit can do his due diligence, talk to all the people he needs to talk to about this, and, if he is satisfied that Sachs is rehabilitated, consider him for the job. There may not be a lot of people who are going to be willing to take a chance on our job and there are probably not a lot willing to take a chance on Sachs. This could be a good fit. Here is an article about his prior termination by a columnist who admits to being a fan. www.capitalgazette.com/sports/ac-cs-andy-sachs-column-20181219-story.html
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Post by alum on Nov 22, 2022 11:57:12 GMT -5
Greatest upset in WC history. All are crying in Argentina 2-1 Saudi Arabia My soccer loving young grandsons went to bed early so they could arise at 5 I watched the highlights. Argentina put three balls in the net which were called back for offsides. None were debatable. Their only goal was a PK by Messi.
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Post by alum on Nov 22, 2022 9:44:32 GMT -5
There can be no move to the A10 unless we get rid of men's and women's hockey. Nobody in that league plays it except UMASS. We know what a drag the $4 million or so we spend on hockey has been on all sports not named football and basketball in the PL. It would be a much bigger disaster in the A10.
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