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Post by inhocsigno on Sept 14, 2018 17:36:39 GMT -5
i played football for HC in games against both BC and Syracuse. neither i or any teammate asked to be pulled from the game or not want to play. we played those games with pride. your comments are beneath contempt! I read that you played when you first starting posting. That is wonderful. I am a little surprised at your position on this matter. You are proving my point however - the players want these games and want to play in them (i.e. would not want to be pulled out). Your position that we should not play them out of fear of losing too bad ("embarrassing") - that is being fearful. If you find that statement contemptuous - too bad. You also don't understand how these games play for recruiting. That is obviously a generational thing. P.S. please also do everyone a favor and post in the quote, so the response is tied to the notification.
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Post by DiMarz on Sept 14, 2018 17:38:25 GMT -5
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 14, 2018 17:46:50 GMT -5
Moose, you have certainly started fast out of the gate on Crossports! Crossports is an opinion board, of course, and yours and your perspective is appreciated. As to whether or not Holy Cross derives a greater benefit over the expense/cost, consider dropping either/both AD, Nate Pine or president, Fr. Boroughs a note or email expressing your views and perhaps asking what their thinking is about playing BC and/or other Bowl eligible teams in "pay games." These certainly are not black/white, yes/no easy decisions because your points are well taken. Presumably they believe the cost outweighs the benefit or we wouldn't be playing them. I was up to Holy Cross Wednesday night for the "Senior/Alumni Networking Event" and while I did not initiate this subject with the senior students or alums, I can tell you that many in both categories did go and no one expressed any reservations about the game despite the one-sided score. Instead, there were expressions of much enthusiasm about the pride and spirit of our alma mater, which is much needed right now with all the recent controversies. Those controversies were never anticipated when this game was scheduled but I know when Dick Regan scheduled this game, the hoped for enhanced school spirit was a factor.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 14, 2018 17:50:30 GMT -5
actually i am scheduled to attend a HC alumni get together next Thursday 9/20 in San Francisco. I believe Fr Boroughs is attending so I look forward to discussing these matters with him.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 14, 2018 18:07:27 GMT -5
As for joules, this is a measure of the forces that can produce a concussion. And when designing helmets, minimizing the effect of these forces on the brain should be a key part of the design calculation.
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Post by inhocsigno on Sept 14, 2018 18:38:59 GMT -5
in hoc sign. Man you are something else! Are you capable of engaging with others without resorting to name calling? You do yourself a disservice. I can't believe that you can't do better. Ignorant? Come-on man.You are too funny and your comments are totally inappropriate and irrelevant to the discussion about playing a P5BCS team. Can't you see that most ignore you? I respond to your jibes out of a sincere feeling of alumni fellowship and a desire to exchange ideas not insults. Please try harder to clean up your act. Stick to exchanging your knowledge and your points of view about a topic. Avoid the name calling as it is really not appropriate for us HC alums on this board. I like to think that as an HC alum you can do better in discourse and be more respectful to your fellow alums. And also behave more intelligently. Stay well. Remember we all... Love HC This is getting tired. Did I call you any names other than being fearful for being afraid to play BCS teams? Did I say you were pathetic or that your argument was pathetic? Did I call you ignorant or say you were ignorant about college football? OK, fine line on the last one. Basically, show me where I called you a name that was personally attacking you or your character and I'll apologize. I will not apologize for saying that someone is being fearful if they are afraid of something. That is the just the English language. The BCS games are the best thing that have happened to HC football since the last PL Championship. If you don't believe that, fine. We are all entitled to our opinions; even if your opinion happens to be wrong on this one. The thing you said about most here ignoring me- that one hurts. I wake up everyday, kiss my kids goodbye, go to work, and the one hope I have in life is to be accepted by the fine folks on Crossports after x years on the boards I hope to recover. BEAT YALE.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 14, 2018 18:46:42 GMT -5
Weights for starting linemen, last game, for TCU and HC.
RT 328 / 302 RG 294 / 287 C 292 / 287 LG 311 / 302 LT 303 / 306
RE 235 / 250 DT 294 / 278 DT 290 / 283 LE 249 / 263
Av average of a three percent difference in the OL, and negligible difference in the DL.
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Post by inhocsigno on Sept 14, 2018 20:38:09 GMT -5
inhocsigno. Thank you for your thoughtful response. Your comments "fearful", "pathetic", "ignorant", are not name calling and clearly by inference insulting? Those words were certainly name calling insults. Your comments to the former service man were abhorrent to me. He defended our country! He deserves our respect. And, your comment to moose 1970 that as a former f-ball player he was fearful, too bad? He's a great guy.Those aren't personal insults? And, all because we have different points of view? I have to believe that as a fellow HC alum, you are a very bright, good man. Don't you see how you are dragging yourself down by personally attacking alums who are tied to you in a bond of brotherhood as grads. of one of the greatest schools in America? You are not going to tarnish their service to country and school but you do make yourself appear small and spiteful when you attack them and me. I can feel your excitement and joy in HC playing BC and other BCS teams. None of us mean to rain on your parade but we just have different points of view. I hope that these games work to the benefit of the school in increasing team and school morale; in improving our recruiting and name brand; in filling the school's coffers and in providing a victory over a BCS team. Did you think that I felt differently? I just disagree with you and others that these things will happen. Finally, my intent was not to hurt you but in my view to try to enlighten you as to the import and outcomes of your insults. Please continue to join the discussions, robustly and respectfully disagree and even criticize other viewpoints but please don't personally criticize other alums. Can we agree to disagree? Maybe be patient with those of us who appear to you to be so old and ignorant of the modern sports world. Enough! I'm tired too. I've given you my time, my heart and my respect. Go love and take care of your beautiful family. Now, it is time for grandpa' to put on his "jammies", enjoy a warm glass of milk with a cookie and go to sleep. And, I know that we are joined at the hip in our.... Love for HC I was going to let this go and just go home for the weekend, but I find it abhorrent that you are accusing me of attacking hcpride's military service. I was not. You need to go back and re-read the posts. Your whole "he defended our country" and "tarnish his service" line of comment is ridiculous and insulting. It is also disingenuous and either intellectually dishonest or just plain stupid. Of course he deserves our respect for serving our country. - as does every man and woman who does so. He does not get extra points on his opinions about football because of that service, or get to use his service record to try to score cheap points because I used a common figure of speech without knowing he served. If hcpride feels I disparaged his service, I am sorry he misread my posts and the intention behind those posts. I will not, however, take back my point - i.e. if you are afraid of playing football because you may get injured, I don't want you on my team (in the original context, a figurative foxhole). As to moose1970 I am always happy to hear the opinions of former players from times before I was there. Me questioning his opinion, i.e. that we should not play BCS teams because he is afraid of embarrassing losses making the school look bad, is not intended to, nor does it "tarnish [his] service...to the school". Again, you are imposing a ridiculous reading to my posts. By your reading, every time I said something you disagreed with on here, you would have to accept it because I played at HC. That is not, and certainly should not, be the case. Maybe it is me and I am just wrong. I am a public school product and my grasp of proper grammar and reading comprehension may be tenuous, but when someone says we should not play a certain team because of the possibility of injuries and embarrassing losses, which hurt the team and school, I read that to mean that there is "fear" that the perceived downside (injuries and losses) outweighs any perceived benefit (guarantee money, national televised games, profile, recruiting, etc.). The opinion that the downside outweighs the upside is an opinion that you are free to have. However, I believe that I am justified in my opinion that fear of injuries or losing bad in these games is not a justified opinion. In my poor understanding of the English language, if you are afraid of something, e.g. the fear of injuries to the players, you are being fearful. My comments do not imply you are at home shaking in your boots about these games. I essentially see on this thread three people that are heavily against BCS games - all of which are active on this thread with their opinions re same. Your opinion about BCS games is not correct. I have no problem with incorrect opinions, this is America and you are free to have it, as I am free to disagree. Hell, we live in a country that elected a fraudulent snake oil salesmen with a 90 IQ to the highest political position in the land based on an incorrect opinion that he was the best candidate in the GOP field. However, an opinion can be incorrect, even if sincerely held. Yes, we can agree to disagree on the BCS thing - even if you are wrong. We cannot agree on your characterization of me or my comments as attacking the military service of an alum or questioning Moose's sacrifices on the field. I have no doubt about your sincerity of love of HC and your respect of your fellow Crusaders. However, such sentiment appears less sincere when they follow the condescending tone and ugly misrepresentation of my posts. Good Night and Be Well.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 14, 2018 22:46:36 GMT -5
Let's jettison the political talk
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 14, 2018 22:47:25 GMT -5
In Hoc Signo. Enough. Bye, bye. Be gone. Love HC boy, am i glad to hear that you 2 have finally been able to kiss and make up. now i can get back to watching professional wrestling where i belong! pax,
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 14, 2018 22:52:03 GMT -5
HC70 / ncaam back on the board?
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Post by HCFC45 on Sept 14, 2018 22:54:31 GMT -5
Nice find Dimarz! However, I cannot believe that there are no pics of our 9 - 0 victory in 1963 and 32 - 26 victory in 1966 over BC!!! Freshman and senior year we defeated BC both times!! Senior year was special... Lentz (threw the bomb) and Kimener (caught the bomb)! I made the Boston Globe front page photo and that is the first page photo of our '67 yearbook! On a side note... while leaving Alumni Stadium last Saturday at BC, this man wearing a BC hat stopped me and asked "are you '67 HC"? How would he know? I had an HC hat on with my name on the back and '67 on the side (given to me by my son-in-law as a Christmas present a few years ago). I said "yes I am"! He said he was a HS classmate of Jack Lentz! He tried to get BC to recruit him but BC but BC was not interested... He eventually became a financial advisor with Lehman Brothers and manged HC's endowment. In a meeting, attended by Fr. Brooks he asked if BC would hold it against him if one of his children applied to HC while his father mother and sister had gone to BC? Fr. Brooks replied "no, not at all, we believe in evolution"! We both had a great laugh! ! Very nice person! Glad I met him! !
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Post by Tom on Sept 15, 2018 7:16:38 GMT -5
Kinetic energy is a combination of mass (weight) and speed, as measured in joules. HC DB weighing 95 kg running at 0. 76 meters per second has a kinetic energy of 27.436 joules BC WR weighing 97 kg running at 0.78 m/sec = 29.507 joules Dillon running at 0.78 m/sec = 36.504 joules This is absurdist b******t. Not really, unless you're calling the oversimplification BS. If you get blindsided by your 75 lb 10 year old kid vs getting blindsided by Rob Gronkowski, you're going to notice the difference. There's a huge difference in force of impact. Greater force obviously leads to greater all kinds of things. While I disagree with the notion that the basic scientific concept is BS, I do not think it is sufficient to influence scheduling. Obviously my Gronk vs a 10 year old is hyperbole, the difference between HC and BC isn't that great. I might think that the size difference between HC's 21 year old seniors (having benefited from 4 years of college D-I weight training) and HC's 18 year old freshmen is as substantial as the difference between HC and BC, yet no one is suggesting the freshmen shouldn't be on the practice field with the seniors. In my opinion, other things like being blindsided vs seeing the hit coming are bigger factors. FWIW, I'm actually kind of neutral on the topic and see both pluses and minuses to scheduling P5 schools - I just don't think the increased chance of injury is substantial enough to tip the scales. Just adding a late two cents because I strongly believe that greater mass combined with greater velocity creating greater force of impact is not BS
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Post by trimster on Sept 15, 2018 8:10:50 GMT -5
in hoc sign. Man you are something else! Are you capable of engaging with others without resorting to name calling? You do yourself a disservice. I can't believe that you can't do better. Ignorant? Come-on man.You are too funny and your comments are totally inappropriate and irrelevant to the discussion about playing a P5BCS team. Can't you see that most ignore you? I respond to your jibes out of a sincere feeling of alumni fellowship and a desire to exchange ideas not insults. Please try harder to clean up your act. Stick to exchanging your knowledge and your points of view about a topic. Avoid the name calling as it is really not appropriate for us HC alums on this board. I like to think that as an HC alum you can do better in discourse and be more respectful to your fellow alums. And also behave more intelligently. Stay well. Remember we all... Love HC This is getting tired. Did I call you any names other than being fearful for being afraid to play BCS teams? Did I say you were pathetic or that your argument was pathetic? Did I call you ignorant or say you were ignorant about college football? OK, fine line on the last one. Basically, show me where I called you a name that was personally attacking you or your character and I'll apologize. I will not apologize for saying that someone is being fearful if they are afraid of something. That is the just the English language. The BCS games are the best thing that have happened to HC football since the last PL Championship. If you don't believe that, fine. We are all entitled to our opinions; even if your opinion happens to be wrong on this one. The thing you said about most here ignoring me- that one hurts. I wake up everyday, kiss my kids goodbye, go to work, and the one hope I have in life is to be accepted by the fine folks on Crossports after x years on the boards I hope to recover. BEAT YALE. You guys have gone way off the rails here. FWIW, I'm all for a game or two per season against 1A opponents within reason. No Alabamas, Michigans, etc. I'd much rather see those than Central Connecticut.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 15, 2018 8:45:16 GMT -5
You guys have gone way off the rails here. FWIW, I'm all for a game or two per season against 1A opponents within reason. No Alabamas, Michigans, etc. I'd much rather see those than Central Connecticut. I think the point that has been made over and over is that there are other alternatives to BC that might be/have been better options. URI, UMaine, and even UMass come quickly to mind and thinking only of the Northeast. [Given that Ivies are unavailable second game of the season.] If it is a challenge we are looking for, we would be underdogs in all three. Nobody has suggested Central Connecticut or Bryant (except to establish a strawman).
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Post by lou on Sept 15, 2018 9:04:29 GMT -5
Bumped into a neighbor this morning, son goes to BC. They were at the game, said they were very surprised and impressed by the HC turnout.
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Post by trimster on Sept 15, 2018 9:34:36 GMT -5
You guys have gone way off the rails here. FWIW, I'm all for a game or two per season against 1A opponents within reason. No Alabamas, Michigans, etc. I'd much rather see those than Central Connecticut. I think the point that has been made over and over is that there are other alternatives to BC that might be/have been better options. URI, UMaine, and even UMass come quickly to mind and thinking only of the Northeast. [Given that Ivies are unavailable second game of the season.] If it is a challenge we are looking for, we would be underdogs in all three. Nobody has suggested Central Connecticut or Bryant (except to establish a strawman). I'll take a game against BC any time over those 3, nothing against them, even if it means playing at the Heights every time.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 15, 2018 10:11:16 GMT -5
mm67 I think the BC issue will take care of itself. If they have great or good teams in that conference the series will not continue (and there will not be a game in 2021 or 2022 for certain) even it Holy Cross gets better.
Perhaps the same is true for Syracuse, they seem to be serious about improving their football team. Unfortunately, like BC, there were a number of years where the disparity in programs would have been less of an issue. That's another game that could get ugly.
My biggest disagreement with anyone is over the Ivies. Harvard and Yale, yes. Dartmouth (especially if the game is at Hanover) and Brown should appear on the schedule frequently (but not in the same year). No others. HC has been there, done that. Didn't work.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 15, 2018 11:08:09 GMT -5
I don't think we'll the non-New England Ivies again any time soon...seemed like that was sort of an IL-PL crossovah that was tried and really didn't work overall...though it did provide for one of our all-time highlights, Princeton '88. The Ivies seem to be playing less PL teams in general these days...we're sort of fortunate that we have the geographical advantage, history etc with the Ivies that most PL teams don't.
Scheduling college football is such a crapshoot....with BC and the Orange in the ACC, you know they'll be very solid but how good you really don't know 5, 10 years out.
My guess, but I highly doubt we'll see HC playing any P5 schools moving forward other than the ones in the Northeast we've played in the past (BC, Cuse, Rutgers...maybe Penn St) and maybe a Duke or a Wake in the ACC. I just don't see TPTB giving the OK to a game against name your B1G (aside from Rutgers and PSU), SEC (maybe Vandy), Big-12 or Pac-12 school....than again, I could be wrong.
I think we'll see the Minutemen again soon...they have trouble scheduling right now as an Indy and the closeness of those two fine institutions kind of make it a no-brainer.
My hope is that we see a service academy every couple years, sprinkled in with a non-P5 FBS (UConn, UMass etc) in years we don't play a service academy with a P5 school every 2 or 3 years.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 15, 2018 11:18:52 GMT -5
I don't think we'll the non-New England Ivies again any time soon...seemed like that was sort of an IL-PL crossovah that was tried and really didn't work overall...though it did provide for one of our all-time highlights, Princeton '88. The Ivies seem to be playing less PL teams in general these days...we're sort of fortunate that we have the geographical advantage, history etc with the Ivies that most PL teams don't. Scheduling college football is such a crapshoot....with BC and the Orange in the ACC, you know they'll be very solid but how good you really don't know 5, 10 years out. My guess, but I highly doubt we'll see HC playing any P5 schools moving forward other than the ones in the Northeast we've played in the past (BC, Cuse, Rutgers...maybe Penn St) and maybe a Duke or a Wake in the ACC. I just don't see TPTB giving the OK to a game against name your B1G (aside from Rutgers and PSU), SEC (maybe Vandy), Big-12 or Pac-12 school....than again, I could be wrong. I think we'll see the Minutemen again soon...they have trouble scheduling right now as an Indy and the closeness of those two fine institutions kind of make it a no-brainer. My hope is that we see a service academy every couple years, sprinkled in with a non-P5 FBS (UConn, UMass etc) in years we don't play a service academy with a P5 school every 2 or 3 years.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 15, 2018 11:36:25 GMT -5
Can we move on to today's game?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 15, 2018 11:39:30 GMT -5
Everyone who says that we are more prone to injury when playing against a Power 5 opponent vs. an FCS opponent is plain wrong. End.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 15, 2018 11:45:12 GMT -5
"Scheduling college football is such a crapshoot...." you got that right.
my barometer for scheduling future HC football opponents is primarily $$$. i. e., if a football program pays its head coach $2+ million that is just the start of their financial investment. at that level its really big business, not football. they have no "moral victories" its win or else. HC does not belong there.
I understand that BC is a special opponent and a win there would be so sweet. But we need to give our football team, players and coaches, the opportunity to win on the field no matter what is going on in the stands. The players and coaches appreciate the strong school spirit but they are there first and foremost to play the game. It's not the fault of our players and coaches but last week v BC was no football game (and I don't see any changes in the foreseeable future).
GO 'SADERS!
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 15, 2018 18:01:28 GMT -5
Then you would appreciate my comment to my fellow Crossporters at the game today. After the 3rd or 4th Yalie went down and out with an injury before any HC injuries, I suggested that perhaps Yale shouldn't play us in the future because so many of them were getting hurt. Of course, we were probably down 28-7 at that point.
As I've posted in the past ad nauseam, an inch or two of height, a tenth of a second in extra speed is often the difference between winning and losing or losing in a rout. But that doesn't really come into play with injuries, IMHO.
Again, it is not like the BC players were 325 lbs going up against 260 lbs Crusaders. The exception in size seemed to be Dillon at RB.
The biggest difference between this year and in recent years past is that in the second half and especially the 4th quarter, our defense seems stronger and better conditioned. If we could only stop giving up 21+ points in the first quarter of each game, we'd really be a tough out for most of our scheduled opponents.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 16, 2018 7:09:06 GMT -5
I still think the offensive game plans will change as the year goes own. Although, sure, they may have overdone it, I can understand the desire to keep it really simple out of the gates. I can also understand wanting to shorten this game as much as possible. If they are still sticking strictly to this game plan 5-6 weeks from now......well that's a different story.
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