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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 17, 2019 17:16:43 GMT -5
Here's another way of looking at it--using Sagarin ratings and each team's performance in its last 5 games
Fordham has a 31 "Predictor" rating (I know Sagarin goes into hundredths of a point but I rounded). Georgetown lost 30-27 at home. So, subtract 3 for the score and 3 for home field advantage and Georgetown gets a 25 "score'
Here are HC & GT's Sagarin scores for their last 5 games:
Georgetown
25 vs Fordham
31 vs Lafayette
32 @ Lehigh
23 vs Colgate
26 @ Bucknell
Holy Cross
34 vs Harvard
54 vs Colgate
42 @ Lehigh
24 vs Lafayette
56 @ Fordham
Holy Cross has the four best Sagarin scores and appears to be heads above Georgetown. HC's median score is 42 versus 26 for Georgetown's median
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Post by efg72 on Nov 17, 2019 17:27:07 GMT -5
At the end of the day this game will be played on the field. Stats, past experiences, and hope won’t matter. This will be a game of preparation, execution and desire. Nothing more and nothing less, but a few prayers and Novenas can’t hurt-look what it does for ND and the Fighting Irish. I had nine high school teammates and friends play for them in the late 60s and early 70s and they truly bought into divine intervention! Of course, I wasn’t good enough to be recruited by Ara....even though he played with my Dad—lol
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 17, 2019 18:32:15 GMT -5
In my opinion the most impressive thing about yesterday’s victory was the ability of the coaching staff to make the necessary halftime adjustments that resulted in what ended up being a lopsided victory. It’s one thing to develop and install a game plan during the week leading up to a game. However, coaches who are able to make necessary in-game adjustments when “the bullets are flying” are the ones that separate themselves from the rest.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 17, 2019 20:54:54 GMT -5
At the end of the day this game will be played on the field. Stats, past experiences, and hope won’t matter. This will be a game of preparation, execution and desire. Nothing more and nothing less, but a few prayers and Novenas can’t hurt-look what it does for ND and the Fighting Irish. I had nine high school teammates and friends play for them in the late 60s and early 70s and they truly bought into divine intervention! Of course, I wasn’t good enough to be recruited by Ara....even though he played with my Dad—lol efg, we need to talk! Ara and my first year at ND coincided (1964) We went from 3-6 (JFK) to 9-1 and missed being National Champs in close loss in last game v. USC. We had former Boston Patriot John Huarte at QB with Jack Snow as primary receiver. I don't remember the religious aspect being emphasized but if one think it helps, why not. Really hoping for a HC win on Saturday; I've been rooting for them for a long, long time. |
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Post by efg72 on Nov 17, 2019 20:57:54 GMT -5
Will pm
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 17, 2019 23:00:12 GMT -5
Can we pay the PA guy to announce fake out of town scores during the first half "Midway through the second quarter, lafayette twenty-eight, lehigh nothing"
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 18, 2019 0:37:32 GMT -5
question
it appears that the g/town game now our annual year end football finale game?
is g/town now our new archrival in football to replace BC?
hope not!!!
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 18, 2019 0:56:44 GMT -5
Merrimack?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2019 6:30:14 GMT -5
question it appears that the g/town game now our annual year end football finale game? is g/town now our new archrival in football to replace BC? hope not!!! Just for a couple years. The PL rotates the final game of season. Because of the odd number of teams, somenody has to end the year with either a BYE or a non-conference game. This year Colgate has the bye. Lehigh-Lafayette is the only lock for final week. PL would need to expand by one to create a real rivalry week. |
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 18, 2019 8:26:38 GMT -5
How about SHU in the PL? It would get us a team close to the NY market with games convenient to NY area alums.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 18, 2019 8:48:32 GMT -5
Put on your flak jacket....
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Post by lou on Nov 18, 2019 9:07:39 GMT -5
How about SHU in the PL? It would get us a team close to the NY market with games convenient to NY area alums. Fordham, Lehigh and Lafayette are all convenient |
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Post by gks on Nov 18, 2019 9:14:22 GMT -5
How about SHU in the PL? It would get us a team close to the NY market with games convenient to NY area alums. Don't you know that kids at Sacred Heart are dumb and not up to the high, lofty standards of Patriot League student-athletes.... Of course Sacred Heart would be a great addition to the Patriot League. But it makes too much sense for the league to do it. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2019 9:28:00 GMT -5
Tell BU to bring football back or they're kicked out of the league, with SHU as replacement.
I wouldn't like to see the PL go beyond 10 full-time members so if BU won't bring the sport back I would rather go the football affiliate route. Bring in Duquesne or Monmouth for football only.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 18, 2019 9:43:51 GMT -5
As I remember it, the last time we went through this it was said by some that SHU could not be competitive. This year's football results show that is no longer the case. It would be great if BU brought back football, but I doubt that will happen. I also would not want to se them face the ultimatum of add it or get out, since the PL knew what sports they had when they were admitted and nothing has changed.
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Post by gks on Nov 18, 2019 9:47:55 GMT -5
Sacred Heart has shot by most of the PL like a rocket. Football needs 8 members. The fact that one teams has to be idle on the final Saturday of the season is ridiculous. And it's only five teams in this rotation since Lehigh and Lafayette are too precious to put up with this.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 18, 2019 9:56:56 GMT -5
11 is not an easily workable number for those sports, such as basketball, in which all members participate
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 18, 2019 9:58:19 GMT -5
True, but another non-football member could be sought to come in with SHU.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 18, 2019 10:00:56 GMT -5
If the point is SHU as an associate member for football, I am OK with that. (Heck, we even accepted Fordham). Otherwise, no.
And since we are beating dead horses here, let me again say I would prefer Fairfield (if they would add football - I know many here think that would never happen) because of their location and Jesuit identity and so many HC alums/students have siblings or cousins who go/went there. Not in my day but heard that Fairfield was called "Holy Cross South,' no not by the Stag students but the Crusader students. Unless I am out of date/touch, Fairfield is also more highly rated academically than Sacred Heart and closer to the PL profile school.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 18, 2019 10:55:15 GMT -5
OK,OK, OK. I would accept Brown for the convenient location. We already play them in multiple sports. And they are definitely NOT Catholic despite being in the most Catholic state in the USA.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 18, 2019 12:59:56 GMT -5
UMass?
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Post by hcpride on Nov 18, 2019 13:48:38 GMT -5
I know it has been a while but we used to stomp Providence College in football with great regularity. Let's convince them to revive football and join as football-only members. All the makings of a great football rivalry (fans can easily travel to the nearby location and vice-versa, fellow Catholic school, similar students, etc., etc.).
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2019 13:54:15 GMT -5
As I remember it, the last time we went through this it was said by some that SHU could not be competitive. This year's football results show that is no longer the case. It would be great if BU brought back football, but I doubt that will happen. I also would not want to se them face the ultimatum of add it or get out, since the PL knew what sports they had when they were admitted and nothing has changed. Spot on. Like Monmouth, SHU is probably on like a 6-game win streak against the PL. I'd be all kn board with adding them as a football affiliate but pretty sure the NEC would boot them for all other sports so wouldn't happen. I like SHU as a full-time member too but don't like an 11-team league. Too much. Tell BU to take a hike. They add nothing -- only team people follow there isn't a PL sport (hockey). Take the Turnpike trophy and throw it in a dumpster behind the Hart Center. |
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Post by hc87 on Nov 18, 2019 14:00:19 GMT -5
Doubtful that any school without football (BU, PC, Fairfield etc) revives football and joins the PL given the cost, the overall stink-eye the sport is getting from society in terms of head injuries etc etc...particularly private schools in the Northeast.
Really the only viable candidate that checks nearly all the requisite PL boxes is Villanova. They did play 3 PL schools this year so perhaps they may be exploring this at the very least.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2019 14:00:59 GMT -5
Fairfield was mentioned by sader1970. Wish they had kept at least non-scholarship football going a bit longer. Would've been a good PL fit. Worst case, they'd have been a second Georgetown in football and a basketball addition with some tradition. I think having a Connecticut school would be good for the league. Bridging the gap between Worcester and New York.
SHU is up-and coming but definitely below Fairfield academically. Probably more on par with the likes of Bryant, Albany, U. of Delaware, Assumption, etc. Others care more about that. I really don't.
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