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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2019 14:03:43 GMT -5
Doubtful that any school without football (BU, PC, Fairfield etc) revives football and joins the PL given the cost, the overall stink-eye the sport is getting from society in terms of head injuries etc etc...particularly private schools in the Northeast. Really the only viable candidate that checks nearly all the requisite PL boxes is Villanova. They did play 3 PL schools this year so perhaps they may be exploring this at the very least. PL fans foam at the mouth at the idea of Villanova joining in football. Not far fetched but program supporters are VEHEMENTLY against it.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 18, 2019 14:04:52 GMT -5
Merrimack?
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 18, 2019 14:12:27 GMT -5
As long as we're thinking wishfully and putting the screws to PL members ...
The heck with BU, get Loyola to add football. In the old days, the Provincial could order Loyola to do it. Today, the Provincial will have to rely on good old fashioned arm-twisting!
We could then expand the Provincials Cup and make final 3 games of the season a round robin mini-season with HC, Loyola, Georgetown, and Fordham with a semi-regional rivalry game to end the season with HC vs Fordham and Loyola vs.Georgetown (though there's something about finishing the season with a game between full members and the associate member that's attractive too).
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Post by hc87 on Nov 18, 2019 14:16:27 GMT -5
Doubtful that any school without football (BU, PC, Fairfield etc) revives football and joins the PL given the cost, the overall stink-eye the sport is getting from society in terms of head injuries etc etc...particularly private schools in the Northeast. Really the only viable candidate that checks nearly all the requisite PL boxes is Villanova. They did play 3 PL schools this year so perhaps they may be exploring this at the very least. PL fans foam at the mouth at the idea of Villanova joining in football. Not far fetched but program supporters are VEHEMENTLY against it. Under Talley, I would agree....but I think Nova could change their minds down the road...the PL is a much better fit for them as an institution than the CAA which is mostly made up of state schools from Maine to Virginia.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 18, 2019 14:16:36 GMT -5
Doubtful that any school without football (BU, PC, Fairfield etc) revives football and joins the PL given the cost, the overall stink-eye the sport is getting from society in terms of head injuries etc etc...particularly private schools in the Northeast. Really the only viable candidate that checks nearly all the requisite PL boxes is Villanova. They did play 3 PL schools this year so perhaps they may be exploring this at the very least. Stepping down from CAA football to PL football? Don't see it. (I could see why PL fans might want Nova in the football league.) And even less so (in case anybody's thinking this) going hoops from Big East to PL (again, I could see why PL fans might want it .).
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Post by hc87 on Nov 18, 2019 14:24:21 GMT -5
Doubtful that any school without football (BU, PC, Fairfield etc) revives football and joins the PL given the cost, the overall stink-eye the sport is getting from society in terms of head injuries etc etc...particularly private schools in the Northeast. Really the only viable candidate that checks nearly all the requisite PL boxes is Villanova. They did play 3 PL schools this year so perhaps they may be exploring this at the very least. Stepping down from CAA football to PL football? Don't see it. (I could see why PL fans might want Nova in the football league.) And even less so (in case anybody's thinking this) going hoops from Big East to PL. As an affiliate football member only obviously. It's not like the CAA is the B1G in football....it's still FCS football after all. I think many Nova people(admin., alums etc) would ultimately rather be in a football league with GTown, HC, nearby Lehigh and Lafayette than Maine, Elon, Albany, URI etc
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 18, 2019 14:32:34 GMT -5
Hope there is a crowd at Fitton on Saturday going for the league championship. Bundle up and cheer on the Crusaders.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 18, 2019 14:36:32 GMT -5
So the suggestion is that Villanova would leave the conference in which it won a national championship? That defies logic to me
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 18, 2019 14:37:19 GMT -5
As I remember it, the last time we went through this it was said by some that SHU could not be competitive. This year's football results show that is no longer the case. It would be great if BU brought back football, but I doubt that will happen. I also would not want to se them face the ultimatum of add it or get out, since the PL knew what sports they had when they were admitted and nothing has changed. Spot on. Like Monmouth, SHU is probably on like a 6-game win streak against the PL. I'd be all kn board with adding them as a football affiliate but pretty sure the NEC would boot them for all other sports so wouldn't happen. I like SHU as a full-time member too but don't like an 11-team league. Too much. Tell BU to take a hike. They add nothing -- only team people follow there isn't a PL sport (hockey). Take the Turnpike trophy and throw it in a dumpster behind the Hart Center. Unfortunately the trophy is in Boston and it would be difficult for us to get our hands on it
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Post by bison137 on Nov 18, 2019 15:14:04 GMT -5
How about SHU in the PL? It would get us a team close to the NY market with games convenient to NY area alums. Don't you know that kids at Sacred Heart are dumb and not up to the high, lofty standards of Patriot League student-athletes.... Of course Sacred Heart would be a great addition to the Patriot League. But it makes too much sense for the league to do it. Three issues: 1. The Patriot League academic index floor would keep out many of the players currently recruited by Sacred Heart. 2. Sacred Heart redshirts a huge number of players - 13 5th year seniors this year for example. Without the ability to keep many of their good players for a 5th year, they would not be nearly as good. 3. Sacred Heart rosters 125 players - far more than can be rostered under PL rules which restrict total roster size to 90 players. Not sure how NEC rules and/or Sacred Heart financial aid work, but having this number of kids gives a team a better chance to find players - although the cost is higher. The chance of SH being added to the Patriot League is extremely low.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 18, 2019 15:37:00 GMT -5
Uh, I don't think so. To my recollection, we've never won it and believe it is in permanent possession of BU. You could make a case that they could throw it in some dumpster on the BU campus but they would probably like to keep it. Would love to have been a fly on the wall when Nate and whoever came up with that ludicrous idea.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 18, 2019 16:04:58 GMT -5
Doubtful that any school without football (BU, PC, Fairfield etc) revives football and joins the PL given the cost, the overall stink-eye the sport is getting from society in terms of head injuries etc etc...particularly private schools in the Northeast. Really the only viable candidate that checks nearly all the requisite PL boxes is Villanova. They did play 3 PL schools this year so perhaps they may be exploring this at the very least. Stepping down from CAA football to PL football? Don't see it. (I could see why PL fans might want Nova in the football league.) And even less so (in case anybody's thinking this) going hoops from Big East to PL (again, I could see why PL fans might want it .). Think of it as upgrading the PL!
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Post by hc87 on Nov 18, 2019 16:11:54 GMT -5
So the suggestion is that Villanova would leave the conference in which it won a national championship? That defies logic to me Football at Villanova has always been mostly an after thought there...we draw bettah than they do for football now I'm pretty sure. Their FCS Title really didn't push the needle for football support in general at Villanova. I really don't think they are that "tied to the CAA in football" outside of a few boosters. The move to the PL from the CAA for football wouldn't be noticed by many at Villanova or beyond imo.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 18, 2019 16:17:47 GMT -5
So the suggestion is that Villanova would leave the conference in which it won a national championship? That defies logic to me Football at Villanova has always been mostly an after thought there...we draw bettah than they do for football now I'm pretty sure. Their FCS Title really didn't push the needle for football support in general at Villanova. I really don't think they are that "tied to the CAA in football" outside of a few boosters. The move to the PL from the CAA for football wouldn't be noticed by many at Villanova or beyond imo. Nova Hoops, Hoops, Hoops
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2019 16:27:42 GMT -5
Spot on. Like Monmouth, SHU is probably on like a 6-game win streak against the PL. I'd be all kn board with adding them as a football affiliate but pretty sure the NEC would boot them for all other sports so wouldn't happen. I like SHU as a full-time member too but don't like an 11-team league. Too much. Tell BU to take a hike. They add nothing -- only team people follow there isn't a PL sport (hockey). Take the Turnpike trophy and throw it in a dumpster behind the Hart Center. Unfortunately the trophy is in Boston and it would be difficult for us to get our hands on it Great point. Forgot its all sports and not just mens hoops. They are surely lapping us.
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Post by joe on Nov 18, 2019 16:28:03 GMT -5
We’re about to win our second league championship in decades. Why on earth would we want a team that’s traditionally better than us to join the league now, so we can finish in second place for the next 5 years? And what would Villanova stand to gain by downgrading a program that has been successful in one of the best leagues in FCS to one of the worst? Shorter road trips 5 or 6 days a year. That’s not nearly enough.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2019 16:30:11 GMT -5
So the suggestion is that Villanova would leave the conference in which it won a national championship? That defies logic to me Football at Villanova has always been mostly an after thought there...we draw bettah than they do for football now I'm pretty sure. Their FCS Title really didn't push the needle for football support in general at Villanova. I really don't think they are that "tied to the CAA in football" outside of a few boosters. The move to the PL from the CAA for football wouldn't be noticed by many at Villanova or beyond imo. They had enough support historically to bring back a dead program, no? Unless they turn into a conistently bad CAA team as the post-Talley era marches on, I think enough supporters, football alum and boosters will sink their talons into remaining in the CAA.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 18, 2019 16:40:56 GMT -5
Football at Villanova has always been mostly an after thought there...we draw bettah than they do for football now I'm pretty sure. Their FCS Title really didn't push the needle for football support in general at Villanova. I really don't think they are that "tied to the CAA in football" outside of a few boosters. The move to the PL from the CAA for football wouldn't be noticed by many at Villanova or beyond imo. They had enough support historically to bring back a dead program, no? Unless they turn into a conistently bad CAA team as the post-Talley era marches on, I think enough supporters, football alum and boosters will sink their talons into remaining in the CAA. Perhaps...but I could see the school thinking that PL football is a bettah, the oft overused term, brand for Villanova down the road. Institutionally, geographically, historically etc the PL makes more sense for Villanova football than the schools in the CAA. We'll see...I do think their scheduling this year was a sort of "sticking your toe in the PL water" move on their part.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 18, 2019 16:41:39 GMT -5
Stepping down from CAA football to PL football? Don't see it. (I could see why PL fans might want Nova in the football league.) And even less so (in case anybody's thinking this) going hoops from Big East to PL. As an affiliate football member only obviously. It's not like the CAA is the B1G in football....it's still FCS football after all. I think many Nova people(admin., alums etc) would ultimately rather be in a football league with GTown, HC, nearby Lehigh and Lafayette than Maine, Elon, Albany, URI etc I think Villanova has done a pretty good job with its sports affiliations the last 40 years or so. I know a few alums and haven't heard any talk of dropping down in football (or hoops, for that matter) league affiliation. It is true that Nova has a pretty wide variety of schools in its hoops and football leagues. Delaware, BTW, is probably its greatest football rival (going back about 100 years now ) nowadays and is a fellow CAA football member. It is also true (writ large) that football rivals and game attendance ain't what it used to be. Again, I could certainly see why the PL would most definitely want them as a football member but (beyond some cost savings) I don't see the upside of PL football for a university like Villanova. I would like to see us add a school to PL football.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 18, 2019 16:45:59 GMT -5
Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen...just that, if any school were to join the PL for football, no school comes closer to having all the t's crossed and i's dotted to step right in to the PL for football than Villanova.
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Post by gks on Nov 18, 2019 17:39:31 GMT -5
Would Villanova be willing to curtail their recruiting to the parameters of the PL member schools? I know very little about their athletics policy and the pressure of their alums. But, it seems to me that bringing Villanova into the PL would be like bringing the wildcat, not the fox, into the PL chicken coop. Fun to discuss. LoveHC I'd let Villanova do what they are doing. Maybe it will kick the other PL schools in the behind to step up their games.
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Post by joe on Nov 18, 2019 19:50:37 GMT -5
All the PL has to do is revise a few rules in football to achieve parity with the CAA. Plus the number of schools = easier time making the playoffs and the OOC schedule is all the more interesting. Just my opinion. I can see it both ways.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Nov 18, 2019 20:02:18 GMT -5
Just get to Nova’s level of play. We once exceeded them-pounded them on ESPN 38-7-so let’s get back to that level and then maybe we can aspire to move if we want. Until then, batten down the hatches and pound teams!!
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Post by efg72 on Nov 18, 2019 20:03:30 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 18, 2019 22:12:50 GMT -5
All the PL has to do is revise a few rules in football to achieve parity with the CAA. Plus the number of schools = easier time making the playoffs and the OOC schedule is all the more interesting. Just my opinion. I can see it both ways. Sorry but the PL will never approach the CAA as to overall quality of play short of 2/3 of the CAA jumping to 1A.
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